Can't anarchy ONLY lead to less freedom, since anything else is a power structure and therefore less free than chaos?
Structured democracies are more free than anarchy.
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They're more ordered. They cannot by definition be more free.
Of course they can, freedom for one is usually oppression for another, 'anarchies' invariably become brute dictatorships in short order.
Structured democracy usually guarantees the most freedom for everyone.
Structured democracy usually guarantees the most freedom for everyone.
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Wanting fair treatment and for the police to exercise a bit of restraint is not anarchy. As said a thousand times before, major change in terms of civil rights has come at the behest of activism and protest, that would probably have come a lot slower or not at all if nobody ever spoke up about it.
BLM is not the Black Panther movement. The WM committed war crimes on a not insignificant scale. Nobody here's justifying torching buildings and cop cars, or claiming that the free zones are sustainable. Stop pulling unrelated photos for your BLM demonization. Stop putting words into people's mouth. Stop being such a sterling example of how internet propaganda can radicalize.
Literally just been through hearing all about how the left was "just as bad" in 2020, in relation to the raids. What the #*& ever.
BLM is not the Black Panther movement. The WM committed war crimes on a not insignificant scale. Nobody here's justifying torching buildings and cop cars, or claiming that the free zones are sustainable. Stop pulling unrelated photos for your BLM demonization. Stop putting words into people's mouth. Stop being such a sterling example of how internet propaganda can radicalize.
Literally just been through hearing all about how the left was "just as bad" in 2020, in relation to the raids. What the #*& ever.
I'd agree there's no societal protections in anarchy providing safety from abuse, and therefore a society with those is more desirable. That's not a guarantee of more freedom.
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Proper structured democracy should deliver exactly the right level of freedom, of course its not guaranteed.
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What exactly is the right level of freedom? Just enough policing to where it doesn't lopsidedly target your comfy demographic?
As much as people feel they need, not enough for assholes to run riot.
Freedom is a balance, not some libertarian wet dream.
Freedom is a balance, not some libertarian wet dream.
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more ‘i’m alright, jack’ thinking from dilbert.
so long as white men like himself are left alone in peace and not hassled by police, society is working perfectly and anybody who wants to hold the constitutional or human rights promises to account is a ‘despot’ in waiting.
really top-tier thinking from our resident emeritus in cod science. didn’t realise he spent a year at princeton doing poli sci as well.
so long as white men like himself are left alone in peace and not hassled by police, society is working perfectly and anybody who wants to hold the constitutional or human rights promises to account is a ‘despot’ in waiting.
really top-tier thinking from our resident emeritus in cod science. didn’t realise he spent a year at princeton doing poli sci as well.
I've been hassled by the authorities and held them to account to a greater extent than you can imagine.
Doesn't mean we need to hand over the reins of power to people who have a long track record of turning countries into lawless shitholes.
Thanks for the input though.
Doesn't mean we need to hand over the reins of power to people who have a long track record of turning countries into lawless shitholes.
Thanks for the input though.
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it’s almost as if there are statistics on this sort of thing, you know, data and evidence, so that we don’t have to spend all of our time with vague argument and anecdote, reaching for allusions to idi amin and talking about that one time your family were in a john le carre plot.
black people are KILLED BY POLICE on an overwhelmingly higher level than white people. it is DISPROPORTIONATE to their population size. ditto their sentencing for crimes, UNEQUAL to their white counterparts and co-offenders.
there is very clear data about this but you don’t want to know. society is all great and hunky dory; and oh of course, the police can be annoying from time to time, you’d know yourself ...
black people are KILLED BY POLICE on an overwhelmingly higher level than white people. it is DISPROPORTIONATE to their population size. ditto their sentencing for crimes, UNEQUAL to their white counterparts and co-offenders.
there is very clear data about this but you don’t want to know. society is all great and hunky dory; and oh of course, the police can be annoying from time to time, you’d know yourself ...
There's steady progress to resolve it.
If the positions were reversed would they give a single shit? Why not take a tour of a few african countries and find out how much any life matters there.
If the positions were reversed would they give a single shit? Why not take a tour of a few african countries and find out how much any life matters there.
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steady progress to resolve it according to whom? you? a white guy in australia, completely unaffected and unburdened by police killings and violence, who deems it 'good enough'. lmao my guy. millions of people from all over the world, and all walks of life, and evidently all races, disagree with you. you know, that's why there was this HUGE GLOBAL PROTEST MOVEMENT.
nobody is even listening to or following your bizarre arguments about african countries. no one. african-americans haven't been in africa for 350 years. people aren't automatons, behaving as if possessed by the ghosts of their genetic chains. human beings are overwhelmingly products of their social, constructed, historical environment. black britons and african-americans are totally different culturally, having been raised in very similar types of society. so why would you prate on and on about fucking africa? it's racist, essentialist tosh of the highest order. nobody is listening to you.
nobody is even listening to or following your bizarre arguments about african countries. no one. african-americans haven't been in africa for 350 years. people aren't automatons, behaving as if possessed by the ghosts of their genetic chains. human beings are overwhelmingly products of their social, constructed, historical environment. black britons and african-americans are totally different culturally, having been raised in very similar types of society. so why would you prate on and on about fucking africa? it's racist, essentialist tosh of the highest order. nobody is listening to you.
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And you oscillate between kind of an asshole and massive cunt. It's as though the rest of the people on this board are an annoying interruption to your attempted monologues.uziq wrote:
no one looks forward to your takes either, matey. you vacillate between insipid bienpensant euro-crat and small-town benelux redneck who can't escape his racist relatives at holidays.
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uziq wrote:
black britons and african-americans are totally different culturally
Dilbert_X wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
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Dilbert is white. Serbians and nazis are white. I see a pattern here. Commies are white too.
and white people never burn down property, do they?
ah, yes, only when, er, their favourite sports teams lose a game with an inflatable ball.
or when black people start to become too successful and middle-class for their liking, of course.
white people only ever riot, burn down property, or stage political insurrections for highly rational, principled reasons. like when the boston bruins lose, goddamn it!
ah, yes, only when, er, their favourite sports teams lose a game with an inflatable ball.
or when black people start to become too successful and middle-class for their liking, of course.
white people only ever riot, burn down property, or stage political insurrections for highly rational, principled reasons. like when the boston bruins lose, goddamn it!
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If Dilbert were a black guy he'd always post pictures of auschwitz, the sebrenica massacre and the holodomor as depictions of white culture.
dilbert copes with those atrocities with his bootlicking 'bad apples' fallacy. the number of times he has repeated the claim that 'the wehrmacht did nothing wrong' and 'most germans didn't know jews were being treated badly' is hilarious. whites can only be good and blacks are 'despots'.
You've posted pics of people burning a small pile of rubbish, not multiple buildings.uziq wrote:
and white people never burn down property, do they?
ah, yes, only when, er, their favourite sports teams lose a game with an inflatable ball.
or when black people start to become too successful and middle-class for their liking, of course.
white people only ever riot, burn down property, or stage political insurrections for highly rational, principled reasons. like when the boston bruins lose, goddamn it!
Tulsa was a one off no? Not a global phenomenon.
When Europe looks like Somalia will it be multicultural enough for you?
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the tulsa race riots were a one-off? LMAO. oh, how quaint. please go and read a book.
white people have rioted and burned down neighbourhoods not only of blacks, but of immigrants and people suspected of 'communism'.
don't you talk a lot about 'dangerous radical communists' when you are, in fact, describing perfectly regular, democratic petitions for equality and fair treatment before the law? strange how often you recycle tropes from right-wing sources, isn't it?
no, white people really do destroy buildings, shut down cities, kill one another and hurt police over sports games.
white people have rioted and burned down neighbourhoods not only of blacks, but of immigrants and people suspected of 'communism'.
don't you talk a lot about 'dangerous radical communists' when you are, in fact, describing perfectly regular, democratic petitions for equality and fair treatment before the law? strange how often you recycle tropes from right-wing sources, isn't it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Vanc … y_Cup_riotYou've posted pics of people burning a small pile of rubbish, not multiple buildings.
no, white people really do destroy buildings, shut down cities, kill one another and hurt police over sports games.
At least 140 people were injured during the incident, including 1 critically.[1][3] At least 4 people were stabbed, 9 police officers were injured, and 101 people were arrested.
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Hey Dilbert you just saw a group of white people storm the capitol, vandalize the inside and 5 people were killed. How you cope with that?
The guy with the fur hat and horns is a white person. I suppose he represents you and me as well. Guilt by association and all.
The guy with the fur hat and horns is a white person. I suppose he represents you and me as well. Guilt by association and all.