But people shouldn't be able to get together and take cases to court.
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Keep tilting, Don.Dilbert_X wrote:
But people shouldn't be able to get together and take cases to court.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
speaking of tilting at windmills: the right's obsession with a spectral 'antifa'.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 … a-protests
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 … a-protests
You're a moron.Jay wrote:
Keep tilting, Don.Dilbert_X wrote:
But people shouldn't be able to get together and take cases to court.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
Week old, not my caps:
(experimental) TWITTER ACCOUNT THAT JUST COPIES TRUMP TWEETS SUSPENDED FOR GLORIFYING VIOLENCE IN UNDER THREE DAYS
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-styl … 45831.html
lol
(experimental) TWITTER ACCOUNT THAT JUST COPIES TRUMP TWEETS SUSPENDED FOR GLORIFYING VIOLENCE IN UNDER THREE DAYS
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-styl … 45831.html
lol
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/11/politics … index.htmlAmerica's top general is apologizing for appearing in a photo-op with President Donald Trump after the forceful dispersal of protesters outside the White House last week, saying the move was a "mistake."
Gen. Mark Milley, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff also said that he was "outraged" by the killing of George Floyd and added that the protests it sparked spoke to "centuries of injustice toward African Americans."
"As senior leaders, everything you do will be closely watched. And I am not immune. As many of you saw, the result of the photograph of me at Lafayette Square last week. That sparked a national debate about the role of the military in civil society," Milley, said in a pre-recorded speech to a group of graduates from the National Defense University released on Thursday.
"I should not have been there. My presence in that moment and in that environment created a perception of the military involved in domestic politics. As a commissioned uniformed officer, it was a mistake that I have learned from, and I sincerely hope we all can learn from it," he added.
According to other reporting from the New York Times, this is the same general that got into a shouting match with the president when the general said they weren't going to send the troops in to break up protest that have mostly quelled on their own. The secretary of defense also shot down the idea the next day when it was brought up by the media. Interesting that the military leaders at least for now aren't mushy headed MAGA people. Still it is bad for civil military relations for American military leaders to push back so strongly against the commander in chief.
I know MAGA people who are of the opinion that the generals are just "conceited old farts jealous of power. People like Mattis 'lost the game of politics' and should disappear gracefully." But they "do respect the coup attempt! It was impressive."
i respect the way the chief of staff came out and said he was wrong, and apologised for being present on trump's weird fascist bible-thumping walk.
that takes a certain level of courage, moral decency, and perhaps even honour the likes of which hasn't been since once in the entire deplorable trump era.
a leading public figure openly saying they are wrong and will try to correct their behaviour/views in future. wow! how refreshing.
at least now you can be reasonably sure that if trump loses the election, the military WILL kindly escort his ass off the premises.
that takes a certain level of courage, moral decency, and perhaps even honour the likes of which hasn't been since once in the entire deplorable trump era.
a leading public figure openly saying they are wrong and will try to correct their behaviour/views in future. wow! how refreshing.
at least now you can be reasonably sure that if trump loses the election, the military WILL kindly escort his ass off the premises.
https://t.co/9qBXfAEmht
to succeed in america it is better to be born wealthy than smart.
to succeed in america it is better to be born wealthy than smart.
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Name a place where that doesn't hold true.uziq wrote:
https://t.co/9qBXfAEmht
to succeed in america it is better to be born wealthy than smart.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
all of scandinavia, for a start. they have extremely high social mobility (and high progressive taxes).Jay wrote:
Name a place where that doesn't hold true.uziq wrote:
https://t.co/9qBXfAEmht
to succeed in america it is better to be born wealthy than smart.
many countries have high taxes on inheritance and estate taxes.
it's damning for america, jay, because you're meant to be 'the land of the free' and 'the american dream', not 'land of the gentry' and 'the american drudgery'. figure it out.
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So you are saying there would be no advantage to being born into a wealthy old money family if one were born in Scandinavia? Same end result as one of their poor Somali immigrants?uziq wrote:
all of scandinavia, for a start. they have extremely high social mobility (and high progressive taxes).Jay wrote:
Name a place where that doesn't hold true.uziq wrote:
https://t.co/9qBXfAEmht
to succeed in america it is better to be born wealthy than smart.
many countries have high taxes on inheritance and estate taxes.
it's damning for america, jay, because you're meant to be 'the land of the free' and 'the american dream', not 'land of the gentry' and 'the american drudgery'. figure it out.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
‘old money’ doesn’t exist in the same way, for a start.
and secondly, that’s not the point. an immigrant or person at the bottom in scandinavia has a much better chance of climbing the ladder than pretty much anywhere else.
thirdly, none of the countries which beat america handily glorify themselves as the ‘land of the free’ or of the myth of ‘the self-made man’ or success story. weird how the socialist republics of europe are more meritocratic than freedom-loving, individualistic america eh?
and secondly, that’s not the point. an immigrant or person at the bottom in scandinavia has a much better chance of climbing the ladder than pretty much anywhere else.
thirdly, none of the countries which beat america handily glorify themselves as the ‘land of the free’ or of the myth of ‘the self-made man’ or success story. weird how the socialist republics of europe are more meritocratic than freedom-loving, individualistic america eh?
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Probably because they're not socialist.uziq wrote:
‘old money’ doesn’t exist in the same way, for a start.
and secondly, that’s not the point. an immigrant or person at the bottom in scandinavia has a much better chance of climbing the ladder than pretty much anywhere else.
thirdly, none of the countries which beat america handily glorify themselves as the ‘land of the free’ or of the myth of ‘the self-made man’ or success story. weird how the socialist republics of europe are more meritocratic than freedom-loving, individualistic america eh?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
lmao. americans use that word very selectively.
so obama is a 'socialist' but the social democratic scandinavian states, i.e. the fucking ideal models that democrats like obama motion at, aren't socialist.
i'll leave you to figure that one out. they are undoubtedly more highly taxed, less 'free', more state-owned and centralised than the united states, in any case.
anyway. lwitter seems obsessed with accusing trump of having early onset dementia or a secret stroke or something. apparently he can't drink using one hand. and he stands funny. intriguing hypothesis folks.
so obama is a 'socialist' but the social democratic scandinavian states, i.e. the fucking ideal models that democrats like obama motion at, aren't socialist.
i'll leave you to figure that one out. they are undoubtedly more highly taxed, less 'free', more state-owned and centralised than the united states, in any case.
anyway. lwitter seems obsessed with accusing trump of having early onset dementia or a secret stroke or something. apparently he can't drink using one hand. and he stands funny. intriguing hypothesis folks.
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Dementia, a stroke, or even affluenza are probably some of the gentlest assumptions someone could make about the president as an explanation for his behavior.
No, they freed up their economies after the stagflation of the 1970s. They're less regulated and there's less state interference in their companies than there is in the US. They're actually models of near perfect deregulation.uziq wrote:
lmao. americans use that word very selectively.
so obama is a 'socialist' but the social democratic scandinavian states, i.e. the fucking ideal models that democrats like obama motion at, aren't socialist.
i'll leave you to figure that one out. they are undoubtedly more highly taxed, less 'free', more state-owned and centralised than the united states, in any case.
anyway. lwitter seems obsessed with accusing trump of having early onset dementia or a secret stroke or something. apparently he can't drink using one hand. and he stands funny. intriguing hypothesis folks.
They have welfare states, yes, but they're built on almost perfect free market economies. Amazing the social mobility that is possible when entrenched interests aren't able to use the government and regulation to punish their competitors!
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I don't think you'll find a "leftist" that agrees with regulatory capture. The point is that those social-democratic governments provide far more civic resources and yes, tax at a higher rate to support those social programs. If you're going to highlight their economic policy as an indicator of their success, you have to also acknowledge their civic and cultural attitudes in regards to creating equal opportunities. Thats the whole point in highlighting the social mobility. There is less stratification.
Which countries aren't socialist?Jay wrote:
Probably because they're not socialist.
Are we really going to have to explain the difference between communism and social democracy to you again?
Please educate yourself, this is tedious.
I'd suggest you do visit these places but then you'll just come back with "hurr durr they weren't all wearing overalls and clutching a book so clearly they aren't socialist"
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In the 80's before the breakup of Ma Bell, there was a long running argument that a well regulated monopoly was better than a telecommunication free market free for all.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I don't think you'll find a "leftist" that agrees with regulatory capture.
Regulatory capture is inevitable. The stakes are just too high.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I don't think you'll find a "leftist" that agrees with regulatory capture. The point is that those social-democratic governments provide far more civic resources and yes, tax at a higher rate to support those social programs. If you're going to highlight their economic policy as an indicator of their success, you have to also acknowledge their civic and cultural attitudes in regards to creating equal opportunities. Thats the whole point in highlighting the social mobility. There is less stratification.
As far as opportunities go, it's not exactly fair to compare across the entire US, is it? If you're born in West Virginia you're probably not going to go as far as a native Californian or New Yorker. The opportunities just aren't there. If you're born on the coast it isn't that difficult to move up. Hell, I know union laborers that make over $160k a year with all their overtime. Wanna talk about privilege? Be a native in a majority immigrant field. You'll be a rock star.
Anyway, as i said, comparing across the entire country is not a good measure. I would say there are pockets of inequality, but there's nothing preventing people from moving to new opportunities.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
What makes scandinavia socialist? Aside from Norway's Statoil, what industries are nationalized?Dilbert_X wrote:
Which countries aren't socialist?Jay wrote:
Probably because they're not socialist.
Are we really going to have to explain the difference between communism and social democracy to you again?
Please educate yourself, this is tedious.
I'd suggest you do visit these places but then you'll just come back with "hurr durr they weren't all wearing overalls and clutching a book so clearly they aren't socialist"
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat