It gets old after about a dozen.SuperJail Warden wrote:
/r/historymemes is full of them. I do and do not recommend that sub.
i'm at that stage of detached/out-of-touch middle-age that i wait for memes to percolate down to twitter. i can avoid the furnace heat of reddit.
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Twitter seems more awful than Reddit. On Reddit, you can create a cocoon to protect yourself from Social Justice and MAGA. Twitter seems like a whirlwind of tribal warfare and agendas. Every time I go to Twitter from /r/syriancivilwar, I also get recommended a bunch of MAGA extremism. And finally at least on Reddit, you can write a long post putting together your thoughts.
well no surprises you get recommended nasty shit when you are navigating there from a fucking disaster porn subreddit. sick shit leads to sick shit. maybe stop gawping at dead babies with their limbs torn off?
it's just as easy to 'cocoon' yourself on twitter. i follow academics, authors, publishers; music-industry people; and a few news sources. no MAGA extremism.
it's just as easy to 'cocoon' yourself on twitter. i follow academics, authors, publishers; music-industry people; and a few news sources. no MAGA extremism.
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I don't look at dead babies and people from that sub extremely rarely ever link that stuff. I have seen the aftermath of a lot of battles and that is some nasty stuff. That is why I don't like young people playing violent shooters or violent video games being and media being widely disseminated. People take for granted how awful violence and war is if all you see is a body disappear from a map after a few seconds of the player dying. And seeing someone die in a game is not like how battlefield dead actually look either. I feel like a lot of people would be mortified if their Call of Duty showed realistic violence and not the sanitized almost cartoon violence it does.
people play games because of the game element, not the violence depicted. the changing settings and scenery are basically irrelevant. it's the point-getting and dopamine receptors ding-dinging that make games compulsive. you sound like a badly outmoded moralist who doesn't understand new-fangled inventions and media.
I partly agree with macbeth here that children probably shouldn't be playing ultraviolent video games. That doesn't have to involve making some hugely encompassing moralist statement.
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Why do people need to play games that involve intense organized killing of people in realistic settings? Why can't they play Halo where you kill aliens or a paintball game? World of Warcraft where you kill monsters? Even Elder Scrolls and fighting in medieval times is healthier.
because, like i said, the setting is basically immaterial.
why is 'killing' pixels representing imaginary things any different from 'killing' pixels arranged to represent 'real' things?
i can't even be bothered to wade through the sludge of pseudo-scientific nonsense this will no doubt provoke.
why is 'killing' pixels representing imaginary things any different from 'killing' pixels arranged to represent 'real' things?
i can't even be bothered to wade through the sludge of pseudo-scientific nonsense this will no doubt provoke.
Those are examples of sanitized violence too, though. Halo doesn't give me an indication of what the gruesome battlefield of a future war would look like.
Imagine an RTS where you had to write a letter to the family of each soldier that died under your command.
Imagine an RTS where you had to write a letter to the family of each soldier that died under your command.
Not trying to draw any sort of inescapable conclusion here, but maybe don't let your gradeschooler play Eternal Doom.
Violent Media and Aggressive Behavior in Children 2018
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog … n-children
Psychology and psychiatry sites are full of articles about the influence violent media has on the behavior of young children.
Why would you want your child's number-increasing dopamine receptors also tied to melting faces.
Violent Media and Aggressive Behavior in Children 2018
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog … n-children
Psychology and psychiatry sites are full of articles about the influence violent media has on the behavior of young children.
Why would you want your child's number-increasing dopamine receptors also tied to melting faces.
your culture gives guns to children and encourages them to play as genocidal cowboys and barbaric indians. you've got a way to go yet if you want to cushion children from harmful exposure to violence. basic socialisation for children in the US involves being given a plastic revolver or a bow-and-arrow.
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Denying that violent media influences the way of thinking and behavior of people is to deny the entire concept of nurture and the entirety of child psychology. Of course the things people surround themselves with influences them. Further, I find it really interesting that the people who will claim Islam promotes violence and rap promotes violence will then turn around claim that the games they play that involve mass killing doesn't encourage ways of thinking that normalizes mass killing and violence. The next time you meet a person who claims Islam promotes violence ask them what video games they play. If it's a young guy, it's probably some violent shooters like Call of Duty or Battlefield.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Not trying to draw any sort of inescapable conclusion here, but maybe don't let your gradeschooler play Eternal Doom.
Violent Media and Aggressive Behavior in Children 2018
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog … n-children
Psychology and psychiatry sites are full of articles about the influence violent media has on the behavior of young children.
Why would you want your child's number-increasing dopamine receptors also tied to melting faces.
And I deserve credit for being consistent in my belief regarding how those three things affects the people who consume them.
British kids used to play with swords before guns, its quite normal.uziq wrote:
your culture gives guns to children and encourages them to play as genocidal cowboys and barbaric indians. you've got a way to go yet if you want to cushion children from harmful exposure to violence. basic socialisation for children in the US involves being given a plastic revolver or a bow-and-arrow.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
unless it needs to be said, i am not in support of any of these arguments that says violent media or forms of rough play are responsible for terrorists and psychopaths.
yes, nurture is very much a thing, but there are far more pressing environmental factors that lead to violent behaviour or radicalisation. such as parental violence or abuse, economic immiseration. nobody has been convinced to go and bomb a train station because of BF2. that is not a substantive reason. it's all a nonsense.
worrying about what videogames do to young children's still-wiring dopamine circuits is probably valid. but in the same sense, you shouldn't give your kid candy, or let them eat what they want, because that's the same reward circuit being lit up continually, as well. if you ban your kids from videogames, you better refuse them candy with e-numbers in, as well.
yes, nurture is very much a thing, but there are far more pressing environmental factors that lead to violent behaviour or radicalisation. such as parental violence or abuse, economic immiseration. nobody has been convinced to go and bomb a train station because of BF2. that is not a substantive reason. it's all a nonsense.
worrying about what videogames do to young children's still-wiring dopamine circuits is probably valid. but in the same sense, you shouldn't give your kid candy, or let them eat what they want, because that's the same reward circuit being lit up continually, as well. if you ban your kids from videogames, you better refuse them candy with e-numbers in, as well.
There are plenty of parts of the upbringing of American kids that are worse and more likely to lead to violence than letting kids play war.
The US highschool culture seems uniquely weird, dysfunctional and nasty, almost by design, for example.
My sister went to one for a while and that was her view.
The US highschool culture seems uniquely weird, dysfunctional and nasty, almost by design, for example.
My sister went to one for a while and that was her view.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
You probably shouldn't be letting your kids just eat what they want anyway. Who wants a spoiled child conditioned to only consume McDonald's hamburgers?uziq wrote:
worrying about what videogames do to young children's still-wiring dopamine circuits is probably valid. but in the same sense, you shouldn't give your kid candy, or let them eat what they want, because that's the same reward circuit being lit up continually, as well. if you ban your kids from videogames, you better refuse them candy with e-numbers in, as well.
I don't think I'd ban my kids from playing video games in general, but I'd certainly not let them play the things to the exclusion of all else.
there are fun and lighthearted games for children just like there are fun and escapist cartoons for children. i don't see what the giant cause for consternation is. would you let your toddler play call of duty, which depicts airport massacres and much else? no. would you show your kid 'the exorcist'? would you watch porn with your kid? no. come on, common sense.
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At what age should minors be allowed to enact a digital airport massacre?
Yes, common sense. Does anyone here want to utterly sweep video games from the board. I know there's fun and lighthearted games for children. That's why we're talking about violent video games in particular.uziq wrote:
there are fun and lighthearted games for children just like there are fun and escapist cartoons for children. i don't see what the giant cause for consternation is. would you let your toddler play call of duty, which depicts airport massacres and much else? no. would you show your kid 'the exorcist'? would you watch porn with your kid? no. come on, common sense.
Why does it have to boil down to "would you watch porn with your kid? come on use common sense."
"Young kids probably shouldn't be cracking skulls." "This guy wants to ban Number Munchers!"
it's completely tasteless, of course, but we (rightfully) don't believe adults would be persuaded to do such a thing by playing a game.SuperJail Warden wrote:
At what age should minors be allowed to enact a digital airport massacre?
you are seemingly misunderstanding my point. i am only meaning to reiterate that having recommended ages for games to me seems sensible. we already see the good sense of such things for movies, television (the watershed concept in broadcasting), etc. parents use their discretion with all sorts of media exposure all the time. the rest is just alarmist noise.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Yes, common sense. Does anyone here want to utterly sweep video games from the board. I know there's fun and lighthearted games for children. That's why we're talking about violent video games in particular.uziq wrote:
there are fun and lighthearted games for children just like there are fun and escapist cartoons for children. i don't see what the giant cause for consternation is. would you let your toddler play call of duty, which depicts airport massacres and much else? no. would you show your kid 'the exorcist'? would you watch porn with your kid? no. come on, common sense.
Why does it have to boil down to "would you watch porn with your kid? come on use common sense."
"Young kids probably shouldn't be cracking skulls." "This guy wants to ban Number Munchers!"
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I could see it encouraging people who are already contemplating a mass shooting. You can agree on that?uziq wrote:
it's completely tasteless, of course, but we (rightfully) don't believe adults would be persuaded to do such a thing by playing a game.SuperJail Warden wrote:
At what age should minors be allowed to enact a digital airport massacre?
not necessarily, but sure, in some example i could see it. but that's putting the cart before the horse. nobody gets the idea and is encouraged to commit a mass shooting because they saw it in some video game. on the topic of 'nurture' there's a whole shit-fuck chain of events and causes that would have led a person to the point of being 'confirmed' in some way by a video-game mission.
perhaps, in a different scenario, someone else self-fancying themselves as a radical would be put off by such a distasteful and shocking mission? maybe the simulated depiction turned their stomach? made them realize they lacked the appetite? didn't have the balls? that it's too horrifying to go through with? you could weave a lot of hypotheticals that go nowhere with this.
perhaps, in a different scenario, someone else self-fancying themselves as a radical would be put off by such a distasteful and shocking mission? maybe the simulated depiction turned their stomach? made them realize they lacked the appetite? didn't have the balls? that it's too horrifying to go through with? you could weave a lot of hypotheticals that go nowhere with this.
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I think the point I'm driving at, and I think Macbeth (at least partly) as well, is that there is reason to be concerned about young children's exposure to violent media. That's probably the simplest way of putting it.
You're right, people should probably pay attention to (sensible) ratings and use their brains when it comes to choosing games and movies for their kids to play and see. And also not let them munch an entire family sized bag of Ruffles.
I wouldn't even want a high schooler playing Air Port Massacre Simulator, regardless of whether MW2 was rated 17+ or teen.
You're right, people should probably pay attention to (sensible) ratings and use their brains when it comes to choosing games and movies for their kids to play and see. And also not let them munch an entire family sized bag of Ruffles.
I wouldn't even want a high schooler playing Air Port Massacre Simulator, regardless of whether MW2 was rated 17+ or teen.