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Reversing progress, thats whats important.

Did the drafters of the constitution have healthcare? Of course not, they were rich.
Everyone should be rich, problem solved.

uziq wrote:

Jay wrote:

And Trump is going to release his conversation with Ukraine, torpedo Biden and blow up Obama's legacy.

you never go full retard.

Why was Bidens son on the board of directors of a Ukrainian gas company? What did he do to earn his $600,000 salary?

Every member of the Senate and Congress should be investigated for corruption. It would be Trump's fastest path to nearly 100% approval ratings (but also guarantee impeachment).

uziq wrote:

Jay wrote:

And Trump is going to release his conversation with Ukraine, torpedo Biden and blow up Obama's legacy.

you never go full retard.

Obama's legacy goes way beyond Joe Biden anyway.

Obama so far has been the best post-Cold War president. Undeniably the best president of the 21st century. Both republican presidents this century have been disasters.

They care a hell of a lot about Democrat corruption, not at all if its Republicans.

Ex-police chief charged with hate crime said Trump is ‘last hope’ for whites

[…] “I’m telling you, you know what, Donald Trump is the last hope for white people, ’cause Hillary will give it to all the minorities to get a vote," […]

https://nypost.com/2019/09/26/ex-police … for-whites

I don't think supporters like that are ever going to care about Trump controversies and scandals. Those are simply written off into meme-land, where those who pursue them still are derided as single-minded or deranged.

“I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn’t lose any voters, ok? It’s, like, incredible.”

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donal … ue-comment

The president, who has "lots of tough people on his side," retweeting civil war threat.

"No inflammatory language from the right" I always seem to hear from conservative friends.

uziq wrote:

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v41/n18/eliot-weinberger/one-summer-in-america

pretty eye-opening when laid out like that.

what was that jay was saying about AOC trying to introduce marxism into the US?

The president tweets: ‘We will never be a Socialist or Communist Country. IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY HERE, YOU CAN LEAVE! It is your choice, and your choice alone. This is about love for America. Certain people HATE our Country …’

The White House counsellor Kellyanne Conway calls the four non-white congresswomen the ‘dark underbelly’ of America. She says that the president is ‘sick and tired of many people in this country’. Asked what Trump was referring to in his tweet, Conway responds by asking the reporter, who is Jewish: ‘What’s your ethnicity?’

It is now part of Republican strategy to describe the four congresswomen, following the president’s tweets, as ‘the face of the Democratic Party’, though all four are serving their first terms and are relatively powerless in the Congressional hierarchy. At a rally in North Carolina, the president repeats his attack on the women. The crowd chants: ‘Send her back! Send her back!’

I like how they interjected descriptions such as non-white and the reporter as Jewish. Everything in a racist framework. Like clockwork.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Total interjection. It's not like someone targeted those 4 congresspeople with a snide remark to "go back where they came from" or anything. Not like Kellyanne Conway directly asked the reporter "what's your ethnicity?" No, it's the London Review of Books making it all about race. Context and narrative means nothing and everything at the same time.

Dummy.

They're "The Squad" right? They grouped themselves together. Two are muslim, one is hispanic and one is black. One made a name for herself by being an idiot and sitting on every couch and trying to launch the green new deal, another made a name for herself by being wildly anti-semitic, the other two are no names. They've made criticism of America their calling card. It's pretty common for people on the right to tell people on the left to leave if they don't like the country, no? Is it just convenient to call Trump a racist for saying the same thing to people of color that white people say to other white people every day?

It's just boring, honestly. Everyone gets called a racist or a sexist or a socialist or a fascist or whatever and the words have lost all meaning. They're just designed to other and shut down any debate.

Criticizing Israeli policy, or the lobbyist groups that advocate for Israeli policy isn't anti-semitic. Supporting BDS is not anti-semitic.  Surely less anti-semitic than making off-color jokes about Jews bagging their own groceries as a sign of cheapness, right?

They've made criticisms of what they perceive as unjust American institutions, policy and political commentary their calling card. I'd like to think being able to look inward is a great American trait.  It's decidedly not Anti-American, unless you think mindless kowtowing to "the establishment" is an American trait. I don't think you hold that view, because you constantly challenge the status quo on these very forums.  It's surely more American than saying "we are losing x, badly" or that we need to "Make America Great Again", yeah?

It's also pretty common for people on the right to support racists, even going as far as electing bonafide racists in government (and venerating them too!). That doesn't mean it's ok.
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Let's just talk about the issue at hand - your want to criticize media and "the left" as making every issue about race. There are plenty of valid examples you could use to make that argument, and it's a valid criticism on some level. This isn't an example of it though.

RE: calling Trump racist - Trump has singled out specific demographics in both rhetoric and policy. He settled a discrimination lawsuit with the United States government. Trump spent the last 30 years dragging the Central Park 5 through the mud in the media, still not admitting he was wrong even after they were exonerated. If you take his resume re: race in to consideration, it's not really a stretch to call him a racist.  Employing Omarosa for a minute doesn't wipe the slate clean.

it's almost as if they have an interest in supporting the plight of Palestinians. I can't quite figure out why...any ideas?

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Omar and Tlaib are both antisemitic. Of course the two Muslims find the only Jewish country in the world as an unsupportable evil. Couldn't find any other America allies to denounce? Had to be the Jews the two Muslims picked?

How are they antisemitic?

Do you mean they object to Israel perpetrating a holocaust on the Palestinians?

Maybe they're looking at lots of things, but the media focuses on their 'anti-semitism'.

Also the US isn't funding or supporting any of the other genocides you've mentioned.