How many people did Russian Presidents assassinate? Stalin murdered millions, including specific political opponents did he not?Shahter wrote:
how many russian presidents were assassinated, do you know?DrunkFace wrote:
No, they just buy hitmen to just eliminate the competition instead.
and how many american?..
no, he did not.Dilbert_X wrote:
How many people did Russian Presidents assassinate? Stalin murdered millions, including specific political opponents did he not?Shahter wrote:
how many russian presidents were assassinated, do you know?DrunkFace wrote:
No, they just buy hitmen to just eliminate the competition instead.
and how many american?..
orly? none of the us presidents had any issues with any of the dominant capitalist clans then? like, frs, for example? oh, wait...Cybargs wrote:
none of the presidents assassinated occurred due to political overthrows.Shahter wrote:
that shit wasn't called "democracy" back then, right? you know, what you insist is a "civilized" way of doing things, uh-huh?SuperJail Warden wrote:
Between 1776 and now, how many Tsars, crown princes, and premiers were assassinated or executed?
so i'm not counting that, thank you very much.
I guess they must have murdered themselves then.Shahter wrote:
no, he did not.Dilbert_X wrote:
How many people did Russian Presidents assassinate? Stalin murdered millions, including specific political opponents did he not?Shahter wrote:
how many russian presidents were assassinated, do you know?
and how many american?..
Russia definitely has a history of brutally dealing with domestic political dissidents and journalists who don't toe the party line, not to mention the programs that directly lead to the death of millions and the establishment of the Gulag.Dilbert_X wrote:
How many people did Russian Presidents assassinate? Stalin murdered millions, including specific political opponents did he not?Shahter wrote:
how many russian presidents were assassinated, do you know?DrunkFace wrote:
No, they just buy hitmen to just eliminate the competition instead.
and how many american?..
???Our foreign policy decisions have been much more egregious than Russia's, historically speaking.
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Ken wrote:
Turkmen, Uzbek and Kazak are ALL U.S. backed regimes dude. Don't forget Azerbaijan too.
They are literally in alliance with Russia. I have no idea how you can call them U.S. backed.The Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO; Russian: Организация Договора о Коллективной Безопасности, Organizatsiya Dogovora o Kollektivnoy Bezopasnosti, ODKB) is an intergovernmental military alliance, acting as counterpart to the NATO alliance, which was signed on 15 May 1992. In 1992, six post-Soviet states belonging to the Commonwealth of Independent States—Russia, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan—signed the Collective Security Treaty (also referred to as the "Tashkent Pact" or "Tashkent Treaty").[1] Three other post-Soviet states—Azerbaijan, Belarus, and Georgia—signed the next year and the treaty took effect in 1994. Five years later, six of the nine—all but Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Uzbekistan—agreed to renew the treaty for five more years, and in 2002 those six agreed to create the Collective Security Treaty Organization as a military alliance. Uzbekistan rejoined the CSTO in 2006 but withdrew in 2012.
Christ, you sound like a Russian now. Ukraine overthrew their government. It was not because of the U.S. That is like saying that NATO annexed the Baltic. They asked to become closer to us and move away from Russia.Ken wrote:
but the U.S. was trying to exert influence in Ukraine too.
I'm doing you a favor by keeping this argument in the last 20ish years. How can you compare the U.S. to Russia's aggressive expansion into central Asia and the genocides on the foreign people living there?Remember, my argument was "HISTORICALLY SPEAKING".
some of it. "programs that directly lead to the death of millions" in the context you put it - yes, i will certainly deny. "establishment of the Gulag" is a non-sensial statement in itself, but that, i guess, is simply because you don't really know the meaning of the word.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Russia definitely has a history of brutally dealing with domestic political dissidents and journalists who don't toe the party line, not to mention the programs that directly lead to the death of millions and the establishment of the Gulag.Dilbert_X wrote:
How many people did Russian Presidents assassinate? Stalin murdered millions, including specific political opponents did he not?Shahter wrote:
how many russian presidents were assassinated, do you know?
and how many american?..
The U.S. has it's own dirty history of dealing with domestic political dissidents, but it doesn't reek of the same brutality the Russians used and continue to use. Our foreign policy decisions have been much more egregious than Russia's, historically speaking.
Are you going to try to deny that Shahtar?
I don't see much difference between Russia propping up Syria and America's support for Israel - refugees from that pogrom are still in refugee camps.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
The US is holding up dictators across the world too. South America, Eastern Europe, Africa, Middle East, even Asia. We have our hand in every single honeypot in the world dude.
Wow, Russia holds up TWO dictators? We prop up the Saudis...the Saudi regime are fucking TERRIBLE people in the truest sense of the word. The U.S. is directly and indirectly responsible for a good chunk of the conflict currently in the Middle East.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Pe … x_rankingsShahter wrote:
the world is fucked up, not just russia or united states. nobody can really claim any moral high ground.
