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i literally can't believe jay comes in here complaining about stockbrokers and the 'rent-sucking profiteers' of capitalism and then denies in the very next post that trump is part of that type of financial system. as if he's somehow part of a more ethical type of business practice. i am in profound disbelief.

'i don't have a point'? we're just discussing how trump is relaxing financial regulations once again and how the last financial crisis resulting from irresponsible banking practice led to trump getting elected. jay rails against stockbrokers and traders who 'win regardless'. does he really lack the analytical skills to put this picture together?

the problem with the existing system clearly was that there were too many regulations preventing businesses (read: large corporations and financiers) from going about their business. the american economy was straitjacketed! if only trump and his cabal of the super-rich could go about unimpeded! nothing to worry about – trump made all his money via inheritance and reinvesting his own hard-earned cash. he knows how to turn a good deal. nothing to worry about here, folks.

Last edited by uziq (2017-02-04 02:38:23)

uziq wrote:

i literally can't believe jay comes in here complaining about stockbrokers and the 'rent-sucking profiteers' of capitalism and then denies in the very next post that trump is part of that type of financial system. as if he's somehow part of a more ethical type of business practice. i am in profound disbelief.

'i don't have a point'? we're just discussing how trump is relaxing financial regulations once again and how the last financial crisis resulting from irresponsible banking practice led to trump getting elected. jay rails against stockbrokers and traders who 'win regardless'. does he really lack the analytical skills to put this picture together?

the problem with the existing system clearly was that there were too many regulations preventing businesses (read: large corporations and financiers) from going about their business. the american economy was straitjacketed! if only trump and his cabal of the super-rich could go about unimpeded! nothing to worry about – trump made all his money via inheritance and reinvesting his own hard-earned cash. he knows how to turn a good deal. nothing to worry about here, folks.

Do you think you made some profound gotcha point? Why would I care what Trump did in his business dealings? I was complaining about Dodd-Frank being weakened. Even if it is Trump who ordered the change, how is what you said at all relevant? Tangential at best.

Last edited by Jay (2017-02-04 03:43:36)

Why is that relevant to my argument?

its slightly strange to me that you think they are separate phenomena. as if a trump could exist without banks to lend to him. they are both irresponsible speculators who have gambled big, taken all the profits, and left the little guy to foot the bill and pick the pieces.

trump the individual is now using his powers as trump the president to hand back more and more free rein to those institutions. 'draining the swamp' eh?

... is that not what we're talking about? his inner circle want to deregulate and 'simplify' everything. we all know what that's a euphemism for. would it trouble you to consider the history of previous moments such as this? you won't have to look back far, precious.

Jay wrote:

The election is over. You can stop campaigning. He won. What he did in the past is now irrelevant to me. I only care about what he does going forward.

You don't think the past could be an indication of the future?
All that time reading history books was wasted eh?

jay spends a lot of time ordering his bookshelves in the way the founding fathers did. shame he never uses the 'imagination' section. much prefers to rely on snarky 500 word hitpieces on reason.com that chew it all up for him.

Jay wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Jay wrote:

Why is that relevant to my argument?

Even if Trump doesn't use a single cent from banks or investors, as a developer he heavily relies on banks being able to lend to buyers of his property.

He is 100% affected by the decisions made by Wall Street firms. Did you forget the whole GFC was created due to the housing bubble...

He's president now. Not a hotelier.

Yet members of his family is running his organisation and not in a blind trust.

totes no conflict of interest at all.

Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

... is that not what we're talking about? his inner circle want to deregulate and 'simplify' everything. we all know what that's a euphemism for. would it trouble you to consider the history of previous moments such as this? you won't have to look back far, precious.

Republicans always want deregulation. You're giving Trump the man too much credit here. I seriously doubt he has any idea what is written in Dodd-Frank.

"you're giving trump the man too much credit" you say when quoting a post where i literally say 'his inner circle want deregulation'.

lmfao it's like talking to a high school kid.

trump gets his political opinion from his closest advisers and staffers in the white house. he's president now, not a hotelier.
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Jay wrote:

Uzi, you're such a complete waste of time. I hope your brother died an extremely painful death.

wow the fuck is wrong with you.

Jay wrote:

Uzi, you're such a complete waste of time. I hope your brother died an extremely painful death.

you had the pretence of being some sort of political thinker in d&st for years and since having a kid you've revealed yourself as the venal, selfish little blue collar triviality you've always been. you have no analytical ability whatsoever. dunning-kruger takes care of the rest.