SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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Around 700 people are feared dead after a fishing boat carrying migrants off the coast of Libya capsized on Saturday. That could be an optimistic estimate: Some reports suggest as many as 950 people may have been crammed into the 60-foot vessel. If these numbers are even close to accurate, it’s not only the worst tragedy in Europe’s current migrant crisis—it may be the worst maritime disaster in the Mediterranean since World War II.

Around 900 migrants making their way from North Africa, mostly Libya, to Europe were already believed to have been killed since the beginning of this year, and the number of migrants attempting to make the crossing is likely to increase in the summer months. EU foreign and interior ministers are holding emergency talks on the issue amid questions about whether anything could have been done to prevent this year’s deadly toll, and what can be done to address the crisis going forward.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/ … agedy.html

That's sad. So what can be done to fix this situation? Can't let them drown but saving them will make more people want to go.

Frankly, I think the Europeans lost their right to complain about immigration. But I understand how the average European feels when their countries are flooded with Muslims who don't want to contribute or assimilate. Especially when the EU could collapse whenever.

I am also pretty skeptical of the idea that immigration of any sort is a necessary and good thing for a country.

So what would you do? WWJD?
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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I have a crazy solution in fact. It is very crazy but would work. Trust me.



These people are either Arabic speaking or speak languages heavily influenced by Arabic, right? We also support the Free Syrian Army with weapons, money, and supplies, right? What we should do is- once we rescue them off the boats fingerprints, take a picture, and get a blood sample. Then take the healthy men and give them a week of military training. Then transport them to Turkey and hand them over to the Free Syrian Army to use against Assad and ISIS.

People will stop coming if they know they will be forced into another war and anyone who is dumb enough to come anyway will be put in a place that supports European foreign policy.


This couldn't be a better plan.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
pirana6
Go Cougs!
+682|6283|Washington St.
We should also arm the Mujahideen in afghanistan to fight the damn russians. This one guy, I forget his name... osama-something... he's their leader, we can give our weapons to him.
RTHKI
mmmf mmmf mmmf
+1,736|6729|Oxferd Ohire
whats to keep them from deserting
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SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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The possibility of an American air strike, an ISIS beheading, or execution by the Free Syrian Army for desertion. There are places in Syria where the fighting is so intense that it is a one way road in without the possibility of making it out alive without a victory.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
KEN-JENNINGS
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please add the source of the article if you're going to quote it.  I went ahead and added it for you
globefish23
sophisticated slacker
+334|6316|Graz, Austria

SuperJail Warden wrote:

I have a crazy solution in fact. It is very crazy but would work. Trust me.



These people are either Arabic speaking or speak languages heavily influenced by Arabic, right? We also support the Free Syrian Army with weapons, money, and supplies, right? What we should do is- once we rescue them off the boats fingerprints, take a picture, and get a blood sample. Then take the healthy men and give them a week of military training. Then transport them to Turkey and hand them over to the Free Syrian Army to use against Assad and ISIS.

People will stop coming if they know they will be forced into another war and anyone who is dumb enough to come anyway will be put in a place that supports European foreign policy.


This couldn't be a better plan.
Oh, I have an even better idea.
There was once a guy from Austria who tried something similar.

He just rounded up everyone he didn't like, shoved them into cattle cars and deported them to some work camps in Poland.
He managed to get rid of several millions that way.
But instead, we could just build such camps right in North Africa, so those immigrants don't need to drown in the Mediterranean.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,810|6098|eXtreme to the maX
Close the borders, tow back the boats, put Africa back under British, French and German rule - at least it would be moderately civilised and they'd be able to feed themselves.
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13rin
Member
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Well... shoulda used trains like they are to get to the us
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SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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Immigrants in the U.S. have experienced vastly more job growth than native-born Americans since the beginning of the recession, according to not seasonally adjusted data released Friday by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Since the beginning of the recession in December of 2007 — said to have ended in June 2009 — the foreign-born population has seen a much greater net employment growth than native-born Americans.

In December 2007 the number of foreign-born workers was 22,810,000. By April 2015, the number had increased to 24,819,000 or a net job growth of more than 2 million.

For native-born workers that number in December 2007 was 123,524,000 by April of this year the number of employed native-born Americans was 123,769,000 or a net job growth of 245,000.

The month of April marks the first month since the end of the recession where native-born Americans had more jobs than they did prior to the recession.

As Breitbart News has reported, in previous months net job growth since the recession had gone entirely to immigrants, with native-born Americans experiencing a net job loss.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government … recession/

That's not good. Maybe we should do something to slow down immigration.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,810|6098|eXtreme to the maX
Maybe Americans should get off their fat asses.
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SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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Maybe employers should pay citizens more instead of giving illegal immigrants poverty wages. Immigrants aren't doing jobs Americans don't want. They are doing jobs Americans can't justify getting paid so little for.
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Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,810|6098|eXtreme to the maX
I think America will be a Mad-Maxwellian dystopia long before Australia
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Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5171|Sydney
The asylum seeker issue is such a political football here. We're spending $420,000 per person to lock them up in squalor on Papua New Guinea instead of around $30,000 to house, feed and get them contributing to the community. Sometimes I fucking hate politics as much as I hate ignorance,

Asked if Italy could learn from how Australia treats asylum seekers at sea, Admiral Donato Marzano responded with this:

"I am a sailor who has spent 20 years on boats. If I find a boat adrift, I'm sorry but I don't turn away.

I intervene to help people at sea. I don't know if this reflects my Italian culture but I do know it is international law.

A vessel in difficulty, whether it is a boat full of migrants or a merchant ship, has to be assisted."

Thank you. Thank you. Admiral Marzano.

P.S Italy rescued 144,000 asylum seekers at sea just in 2014.

Australia has received in total 69,000 asylum seekers at sea since 1976.
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
+635|3712
I thought you were getting tens of thousands per year? Are you people really panicking over 70k over 40 years? The U.S. gets 850,000 per year. Ridiculous complaining on Australia's part.
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Cybargs
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

I thought you were getting tens of thousands per year? Are you people really panicking over 70k over 40 years? The U.S. gets 850,000 per year. Ridiculous complaining on Australia's part.
welcome to pandering to the bogan electorate.

We get maybe 10k boat arrivals a year.
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Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Jaekus wrote:

The asylum seeker issue is such a political football here. We're spending $420,000 per person to lock them up in squalor on Papua New Guinea instead of around $30,000 to house, feed and get them contributing to the community. Sometimes I fucking hate politics as much as I hate ignorance,
If the doors where thrown open we'd have 20 times as many or more->  >$600,000 per year for each one we're detaining now.

And do they contribute or just soak up resources? I'll bet $30,000 is right at the low end of the estimates.
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Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5171|Sydney

Dilbert_X wrote:

Jaekus wrote:

The asylum seeker issue is such a political football here. We're spending $420,000 per person to lock them up in squalor on Papua New Guinea instead of around $30,000 to house, feed and get them contributing to the community. Sometimes I fucking hate politics as much as I hate ignorance,
If the doors where thrown open we'd have 20 times as many or more->  >$600,000 per year for each one we're detaining now.

And do they contribute or just soak up resources? I'll bet $30,000 is right at the low end of the estimates.
You're wrong on all points there.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Really? The average Australian pays no net tax, how does adding more, at the lower end of the social scale, increase net contribution?
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Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
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Do you believe that the only way we are taxed is through our income?

We pay taxes on nearly everything.

Last edited by Jaekus (2015-05-10 07:02:23)

Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Did I say income tax?

Including all taxes people below median earnings are typically net winners. Should Australia be importing more people who will likely be a drain on the system?
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Cybargs
Moderated
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Did I say income tax?

Including all taxes people below median earnings are typically net winners. Should Australia be importing more people who will likely be a drain on the system?
Actually most migrants, whether refugees or skilled/business are usually net contributors to the economy in the long run.
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Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5171|Sydney

Cybargs wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Did I say income tax?

Including all taxes people below median earnings are typically net winners. Should Australia be importing more people who will likely be a drain on the system?
Actually most migrants, whether refugees or skilled/business are usually net contributors to the economy in the long run.
This is true.

If you want to look at people draining the system, there are millionaires and billionaires here paying less tax than a bus driver. They're the ones who are truly draining the system.

Last edited by Jaekus (2015-05-11 03:27:23)

Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,810|6098|eXtreme to the maX
It seems the jury is still out.
http://www.mdainc.org.au/sites/default/ … -Final.pdf
Although various studies have attempted to prove that they do make a net contribution, eventually, its not yet been achieved.

Other migrants OTOH make a significant contribution.
https://www.immi.gov.au/media/publicati … -apr11.pdf

It will be interesting to see what happens in Europe.  Would Australia take in 200,000 migrants a year, as Germany does?
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Jay
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+2,006|5350|London, England

Dilbert_X wrote:

It seems the jury is still out.
http://www.mdainc.org.au/sites/default/ … -Final.pdf
Although various studies have attempted to prove that they do make a net contribution, eventually, its not yet been achieved.

Other migrants OTOH make a significant contribution.
https://www.immi.gov.au/media/publicati … -apr11.pdf

It will be interesting to see what happens in Europe.  Would Australia take in 200,000 migrants a year, as Germany does?
Why do people, who through no action of their own except random chance, born in a certain geographical region deserve to be shielded from competition? People who emigrate generally are the people with the balls and courage to uproot themselves and move to a different country. Those are the types of people who bust their ass to make a better life. The locals they displace (if any) are generally the bottom of the barrel ne'erdowells who are a net minus to society anyway.

The real reason for your concern is racism.

Last edited by Jay (2015-05-11 05:25:21)

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