Jay
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globefish23 wrote:

Splicing bacterial genes into a plant's genome won't happen naturally or through breeding.
End of story.
Iknowrite? Cuz fuck, there aren't like a billion species on this planet that evolved from bacteria or anything
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Take it to the science thread
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Jay
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Take it to the science thread
Go fuck your mother, Oedipus
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omg jay dropping pop-classical allusions to texts he has almost certainly never read

does that get you points in the engineering firm
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Jay wrote:

1) They're not entirely the same, gene splicing is more efficient than waiting around for a random happy accident to occur.
Yes, and mice evolve jellyfish genes all the time, if you wait long enough.

2) US labeling laws
Damn gubmint, preventing corporations lying to consumers - what is a greater freedom than the freedom to defraud?
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Does anyone find that Chrome and Fire Fox have better spell checkers than Microsoft word? It is very annoying that MS Word has a worse time figuring out what I am trying to spell than my web browser.
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DesertFox-
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I turned the spellcheck off in my browser, but more importantly: how does the bf2s spell checker fare in your comparison?
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I don't think anyone has ever used it. It is probably broken like polls and search
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globefish23
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Jay wrote:

globefish23 wrote:

Splicing bacterial genes into a plant's genome won't happen naturally or through breeding.
End of story.
Iknowrite? Cuz fuck, there aren't like a billion species on this planet that evolved from bacteria or anything
Yes, and the resulting organisms have had billions of years time to evolve into something working. Or die out.
By drastically altering genomes into such chimera organisms, you are bound to run into a bigger problem in a reasonably short time.

We're far away from being able to handle all this.
Definitely not wise to try everything out in the field.
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Mayweather is such an ignorant thug. I love it. I hope he ends Pacquiao's life and they riot in the Philippine ghettos.
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Jay
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globefish23 wrote:

Jay wrote:

globefish23 wrote:

Splicing bacterial genes into a plant's genome won't happen naturally or through breeding.
End of story.
Iknowrite? Cuz fuck, there aren't like a billion species on this planet that evolved from bacteria or anything
Yes, and the resulting organisms have had billions of years time to evolve into something working. Or die out.
By drastically altering genomes into such chimera organisms, you are bound to run into a bigger problem in a reasonably short time.

We're far away from being able to handle all this.
Definitely not wise to try everything out in the field.
You probably scoff at people when they say "well, you just never know" when they talk about their irrational belief in god. Every bit of scientific proof says GMOs are safe.

I group anti-GMOers in with anti-vaxxers and people who believe wi-fi gives them headaches and screws up their chakras.
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Jay wrote:

Every bit of scientific proof says GMOs are safe.
I'm not sure you understand what 'scientific proof' is.

This is what happens when natural genetic mutation combines with scientific/medical ineptitude.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimicrobial_resistance

How unnatural genetic manipulation might combine with scientific/medical ineptitude I dread to think.

I group pro-GMOers with the people who think DDT should still be in use and letting pythons loose in the everglades is a hell of a hoot.
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I like how Jay automatically lumps people as "anti-GMO" if they raise critical questions about genetic engineering.

I laugh when I read anyone who says, "you're probably the type of person....".  Such cockiness.
globefish23
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Jay wrote:

You probably scoff at people when they say "well, you just never know" when they talk about their irrational belief in god.
No, you can't help people who have completely irrational believes and therefore no evidence to back it up.

Jay wrote:

Every bit of scientific proof says GMOs are safe.
Most certainly no "every bit".

Jay wrote:

I group anti-GMOers in with anti-vaxxers and people who believe wi-fi gives them headaches and screws up their chakras.
Vaccination has been done for centuries and the last few decades have been indeed become very safe.
The risks are so low that there is no reason to no vaccinate and risk getting the much worse disease.

Microwave radio has been in widespread use for some 25 years now and the low energy bears little risks, compared to all the wireless smartphone glory we now can enjoy.

GMOs in agriculture on the other hand are very new and doing open land tests of plants that are pollinated by wind or insects is an inherently flawed idea.
In all other biotech fields GMOs are handled very strict and cautiously.
E.g. laboratory bacteria strains get a modification that they are dependent on a certain, essential nutrient they can't get in nature, in the rare case that they somehow get out. Even then there's the risk of a mutation that compensates the modification.
But in agriculture everything seems to be fine and dandy.

Once more, business and lobbying is huge behind all that.

Things like Monsanto's plans with "terminator seeds" and farmers contractually bound to rebuy seeds every year go completely against what agriculture is supposed to be.
Making people dependent on a corporation on a basic level as food production, is as scary as in the worst dystopian sci-fi stories.

All these considerations are some of the reasons why many Europeans don't like all these trade agreements with all the crazy clauses that give corporations too much power over whole populations of another country.
Jay
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globefish23 wrote:

Jay wrote:

You probably scoff at people when they say "well, you just never know" when they talk about their irrational belief in god.
No, you can't help people who have completely irrational believes and therefore no evidence to back it up.

Jay wrote:

Every bit of scientific proof says GMOs are safe.
Most certainly no "every bit".

Jay wrote:

I group anti-GMOers in with anti-vaxxers and people who believe wi-fi gives them headaches and screws up their chakras.
Vaccination has been done for centuries and the last few decades have been indeed become very safe.
The risks are so low that there is no reason to no vaccinate and risk getting the much worse disease.

Microwave radio has been in widespread use for some 25 years now and the low energy bears little risks, compared to all the wireless smartphone glory we now can enjoy.

GMOs in agriculture on the other hand are very new and doing open land tests of plants that are pollinated by wind or insects is an inherently flawed idea.
In all other biotech fields GMOs are handled very strict and cautiously.
E.g. laboratory bacteria strains get a modification that they are dependent on a certain, essential nutrient they can't get in nature, in the rare case that they somehow get out. Even then there's the risk of a mutation that compensates the modification.
But in agriculture everything seems to be fine and dandy.

Once more, business and lobbying is huge behind all that.

Things like Monsanto's plans with "terminator seeds" and farmers contractually bound to rebuy seeds every year go completely against what agriculture is supposed to be.
Making people dependent on a corporation on a basic level as food production, is as scary as in the worst dystopian sci-fi stories.

All these considerations are some of the reasons why many Europeans don't like all these trade agreements with all the crazy clauses that give corporations too much power over whole populations of another country.
They don't have to buy the seed. There are thousands of varieties of heirloom seeds. They grow it because it's a better product. They bitch because the business model changed, just like you and I lament disposable goods vs durable.

It's sad that science has become politicized like this. People who lean left just can't seem to get past the whole anti-corporation thing, and so because Monsanto is a big evil profit making corporation everything they sell is evil too, especially when it trods on the dear poor welfare sucking wealthy farmers. If it was a NPO that did the research and created a product that allowed farmers to produce way more food we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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-Frederick Bastiat
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Nope, Monsanto bully the farmers into taking it, and sue anyone who doesn't.

Its sad that 'people like you' have politicised science in this way, and put the profit motive ahead of everything else as part of your asinine 'libertarian' and 'free-market' (neither of which mean what they're supposed to) agenda.

The real free-market has been functioning perfectly for the last 4 billion years. If you don't like the status quo - a conservative and cautious approach things which keep us alive, air, water, land and food as a minimum, and generally socialist governments - then you don't like the free market.

Or we could trust corporations - organisations which have more in common with fascist mini-states than much else and were originally created to protect  their executives from the consequences of their actions - to take our long term decisions for us.

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Jay
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So basically you're saying lala lala lala I can't hear you because you don't want to. That's fine, at least you admit your emotional attachment to your political beliefs trumps rationality.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
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Jay wrote:

So basically you're saying lala lala lala I can't hear you because you don't want to. That's fine, at least you admit your emotional attachment to your political beliefs trumps rationality.
Stoned again Jay?

My 'attachment to my political beliefs' is perfectly rational, since its a well evolved system which works and has worked for millenia.
Yours is still in the experimental stage, and will likely never get beyond it since it fails so hard and so often.

https://leftycartoons.com/wp-content/uploads/types_of_libertarian1.png

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Jay
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My political beliefs are divorced from how I feel about things like GMOs and that is my entire point. The scientific consensus is that they are perfectly safe.

Everyone who has been critical of them in this thread hasn't raised any points besides terminator seeds being unethical or Monsanto being evil or not messing with nature. These are all emotional arguments, not rational.

Frankly, the anti-GMO hysteria is a good object lesson in how religions are formed.

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Several of my food scientists friends lament how idiotic the public is when it comes to ingredients in food. There are so many articles saying "Food has scary sounding chemicals in it!" and a fair amount, but not nearly enough, of actually educated people debunking that chemophobic claptrap.
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My sister met Kim Kardashian at a book signing in NYC today. She says she is beautiful in person. She looks pretty on television so I don't doubt her. I'm not really into big asses though. I'm more into the Asian body type.
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Jay
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DesertFox- wrote:

Several of my food scientists friends lament how idiotic the public is when it comes to ingredients in food. There are so many articles saying "Food has scary sounding chemicals in it!" and a fair amount, but not nearly enough, of actually educated people debunking that chemophobic claptrap.
I blame white women. Seriously, it all seems to originate with the yuppie yoga and spa lifestyle. Just look at all the marketing: pure young healthy natural organic super-foods etc. Couple vanity with a fear of death, and sell a product that includes those terms and you're making money. It doesn't even have to do what it says and they'll buy it just in case. See: anything homeopathy.
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-Frederick Bastiat
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

I'm more into the Asian body type.
WHAT?!?

No but seriously about Kim K. Yeah I don't doubt she's gorgeous despite the fact that her ass is a great example of 'too much of a good thing'. The reason everyone hates her is because she's famous for sucking a guys dick (no not her dad) and lives for the attention of others.
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I have nothing against Kim. K. There are a lot worse things people have done for fame and fortune than sleep with a bunch of black guys.

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I like this for several reasons.
1. Will never get fat.
2. Our children will have skinny person genes.
3. I'm 5'9 and 140 lbs. I need something smaller than me. I was with a girl who was in an inch taller than me a little while back. I did not like feeling like the weaker one in the relationship.
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