Iknowrite? Cuz fuck, there aren't like a billion species on this planet that evolved from bacteria or anythingglobefish23 wrote:
Splicing bacterial genes into a plant's genome won't happen naturally or through breeding.
End of story.
SuperJail Warden wrote:
Take it to the science thread
Go fuck your mother, OedipusSuperJail Warden wrote:
SuperJail Warden wrote:
Take it to the science thread
Yes, and mice evolve jellyfish genes all the time, if you wait long enough.Jay wrote:
1) They're not entirely the same, gene splicing is more efficient than waiting around for a random happy accident to occur.
Damn gubmint, preventing corporations lying to consumers - what is a greater freedom than the freedom to defraud?2) US labeling laws
Yes, and the resulting organisms have had billions of years time to evolve into something working. Or die out.Jay wrote:
Iknowrite? Cuz fuck, there aren't like a billion species on this planet that evolved from bacteria or anythingglobefish23 wrote:
Splicing bacterial genes into a plant's genome won't happen naturally or through breeding.
End of story.
You probably scoff at people when they say "well, you just never know" when they talk about their irrational belief in god. Every bit of scientific proof says GMOs are safe.globefish23 wrote:
Yes, and the resulting organisms have had billions of years time to evolve into something working. Or die out.Jay wrote:
Iknowrite? Cuz fuck, there aren't like a billion species on this planet that evolved from bacteria or anythingglobefish23 wrote:
Splicing bacterial genes into a plant's genome won't happen naturally or through breeding.
End of story.
By drastically altering genomes into such chimera organisms, you are bound to run into a bigger problem in a reasonably short time.
We're far away from being able to handle all this.
Definitely not wise to try everything out in the field.
I'm not sure you understand what 'scientific proof' is.Jay wrote:
Every bit of scientific proof says GMOs are safe.
No, you can't help people who have completely irrational believes and therefore no evidence to back it up.Jay wrote:
You probably scoff at people when they say "well, you just never know" when they talk about their irrational belief in god.
Most certainly no "every bit".Jay wrote:
Every bit of scientific proof says GMOs are safe.
Vaccination has been done for centuries and the last few decades have been indeed become very safe.Jay wrote:
I group anti-GMOers in with anti-vaxxers and people who believe wi-fi gives them headaches and screws up their chakras.
They don't have to buy the seed. There are thousands of varieties of heirloom seeds. They grow it because it's a better product. They bitch because the business model changed, just like you and I lament disposable goods vs durable.globefish23 wrote:
No, you can't help people who have completely irrational believes and therefore no evidence to back it up.Jay wrote:
You probably scoff at people when they say "well, you just never know" when they talk about their irrational belief in god.Most certainly no "every bit".Jay wrote:
Every bit of scientific proof says GMOs are safe.Vaccination has been done for centuries and the last few decades have been indeed become very safe.Jay wrote:
I group anti-GMOers in with anti-vaxxers and people who believe wi-fi gives them headaches and screws up their chakras.
The risks are so low that there is no reason to no vaccinate and risk getting the much worse disease.
Microwave radio has been in widespread use for some 25 years now and the low energy bears little risks, compared to all the wireless smartphone glory we now can enjoy.
GMOs in agriculture on the other hand are very new and doing open land tests of plants that are pollinated by wind or insects is an inherently flawed idea.
In all other biotech fields GMOs are handled very strict and cautiously.
E.g. laboratory bacteria strains get a modification that they are dependent on a certain, essential nutrient they can't get in nature, in the rare case that they somehow get out. Even then there's the risk of a mutation that compensates the modification.
But in agriculture everything seems to be fine and dandy.
Once more, business and lobbying is huge behind all that.
Things like Monsanto's plans with "terminator seeds" and farmers contractually bound to rebuy seeds every year go completely against what agriculture is supposed to be.
Making people dependent on a corporation on a basic level as food production, is as scary as in the worst dystopian sci-fi stories.
All these considerations are some of the reasons why many Europeans don't like all these trade agreements with all the crazy clauses that give corporations too much power over whole populations of another country.
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Stoned again Jay?Jay wrote:
So basically you're saying lala lala lala I can't hear you because you don't want to. That's fine, at least you admit your emotional attachment to your political beliefs trumps rationality.
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I blame white women. Seriously, it all seems to originate with the yuppie yoga and spa lifestyle. Just look at all the marketing: pure young healthy natural organic super-foods etc. Couple vanity with a fear of death, and sell a product that includes those terms and you're making money. It doesn't even have to do what it says and they'll buy it just in case. See: anything homeopathy.DesertFox- wrote:
Several of my food scientists friends lament how idiotic the public is when it comes to ingredients in food. There are so many articles saying "Food has scary sounding chemicals in it!" and a fair amount, but not nearly enough, of actually educated people debunking that chemophobic claptrap.
WHAT?!?SuperJail Warden wrote:
I'm more into the Asian body type.
