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SuperJail Warden
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And he led a prolonged campaign against the Shia majority twice in the 90's. What is your point?
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Dilbert_X
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Syrian infrastructure is intact?
Are the Syrians bombing their own power stations, bridges, water purification plants, telephone networks?
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Cybargs
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Dilbert_X wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Syrian infrastructure is intact?
Are the Syrians bombing their own power stations, bridges, water purification plants, telephone networks?
yes
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SuperJail Warden
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I don't think most of the members of ISIS are bad people. They have done a lot of bad things but bad things happen in any civil war. I can understand how a young goat herder in some remote village would find fighting a war to be an adventure that beats being a poor farmer. I can even understand people in wealthy countries signing up. Being able to dedicate and give your life for something greater than yourself sounds a lot better than having a 30 year mortgage and Sunday PTA meetings. I think westerners would be happier and healthier as a whole if we had our own crusade or other adventure to channel our youth's energy.

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Steve-0
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put your money where your mouth is, macbeth. if you*re just talking to hear yourself, that's lip service.
SuperJail Warden
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i would love to go on an adventure. you can come
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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

I can understand how a young goat herder in some remote village would find fighting a war to be an adventure that beats being a poor farmer. I can even understand people in wealthy countries signing up. Being able to dedicate and give your life for something greater than yourself sounds a lot better than having a 30 year mortgage and Sunday PTA meetings. I think westerners would be happier and healthier as a whole if we had our own crusade or other adventure to channel our youth's energy.
well, yeah. after all, judging by the way your nation handles education and other social affairs atm, your youth's energy cannot really be spent in any other meaningful way - killing brown people seems the only option left.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
SuperJail Warden
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They have recruitment drives in Moscow to send young people to Ukraine to be insurgents. Don't get sanctimonious so much.
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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|5954|Moscow, Russia
and you, of course, have evidence of there being recruitment camps, or russian soldiers posing as "insurgents" in ukraine, and all that jazz, right? let's see some already. because, you know, i'm right here,  in moscow, and... no recruitment of the kind you mentioned is going on.

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if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
SuperJail Warden
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No matter what evidence anyone post you are going to write it off as propaganda. No one is even going to bother anymore
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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
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you posted evidence? or, ffs, did anyone here posted any evidence for their claims re russian involvement with civil war in ukraine? you know, a verifiable piece of info that couldn't have been manufactured by a 12 years old? no? well, then you've nothing, huh? i thought so. you don't know shit, and you are telling me - a person who actually have the means to verify stuff and see for himself things that you only have second hand info on - that there are "recruitment camps in moscow"? really?

well, okay, we can agree on one thing i'm sure - don't bother posting crap. there's enough of it here already imo.
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RTHKI
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can i post poop instead
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globefish23
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Shahter wrote:

"recruitment camps in moscow"
He's probably talking about those red barracks with the round, pointy watchtowers and guards patrolling outside.
SuperJail Warden
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I said recruitment drives not recruitment camps.

"Ukrainian rebels are openly recruiting fighters, raising money and collecting combat gear here in Russia's capital, even as the Kremlin denies backing the pro-Russia fighters.

The recruiting office in Moscow for the Donetsk People's Republic doesn't have a street address, but volunteers can join by calling a number or writing an e-mail. Even the U.S. State Department acknowledged last month that the office exists and that Russia allowed it.

Word of the recruiting effort is spread through colorful fliers and banners calling on Russians to "Join Strelkov's Army" — referring to Igor Strelkov, a former Russian security officer who heads the insurgency's militia — that are displayed at rallies in Moscow and are ubiquitous on the Internet."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl … /13671139/

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pirana6
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RTHKI wrote:

can i post poop instead
That would have a higher IQ that some people posting in this thread.
Cybargs
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

I said recruitment drives not recruitment camps.

"Ukrainian rebels are openly recruiting fighters, raising money and collecting combat gear here in Russia's capital, even as the Kremlin denies backing the pro-Russia fighters.

The recruiting office in Moscow for the Donetsk People's Republic doesn't have a street address, but volunteers can join by calling a number or writing an e-mail. Even the U.S. State Department acknowledged last month that the office exists and that Russia allowed it.

Word of the recruiting effort is spread through colorful fliers and banners calling on Russians to "Join Strelkov's Army" — referring to Igor Strelkov, a former Russian security officer who heads the insurgency's militia — that are displayed at rallies in Moscow and are ubiquitous on the Internet."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl … /13671139/

western propaganda.
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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
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ah, drives. my bad.

well, anyway, i just checked - none of that is actually happening: no fliers, no phone numbers, no offices, no e-mail addresses, nothing. there are groups in social media for those, who would volunteer to fight for separatists in ukraine - bloody psychos if you ask me - but that hardly passes for "recruitment drives".

so, any more "evidence"?
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Cybargs
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Shahter wrote:

ah, drives. my bad.

well, anyway, i just checked - none of that is actually happening: no fliers, no phone numbers, no offices, no e-mail addresses, nothing. there are groups in social media for those, who would volunteer to fight for separatists in ukraine - bloody psychos if you ask me - but that hardly passes for "recruitment drives".

so, any more "evidence"?
maybe they just dont like you ever thought of that.
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SuperJail Warden
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Iraq wouldn't have been invaded by ISIS if the French and British parliaments had authorized airstrikes along with the U.S. after Assad used chemical weapons.
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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
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but of course! how to deal with militant organizations with cells distributed over large regions? easy: destroy them with airstrikes.
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Cybargs
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Iraq wouldn't have been invaded by ISIS if the French and British parliaments had authorized airstrikes along with the U.S. after Assad used chemical weapons.
You do realize ISIS is also an offshoot of Al Qaeda Iraq right?
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Dilbert_X
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Iraq wouldn't have been invaded by ISIS if the French and British parliaments had authorized airstrikes along with the U.S. after Assad used chemical weapons.
Carrying out airstrikes on behalf of Al Qaeda would have been a genius move, but wouldn't ISIS then have had Syrian military equipment to invade Iraq with if they'd taken over Syria?
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SuperJail Warden
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Cybargs wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Iraq wouldn't have been invaded by ISIS if the French and British parliaments had authorized airstrikes along with the U.S. after Assad used chemical weapons.
You do realize ISIS is also an offshoot of Al Qaeda Iraq right?
They didn't hold territory and weren't a threat to regional peace before they joined with the Syrian Islamist groups.
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Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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We helped them take over Libya you dolt.

In other news, America is angry that someone else is bombing Libya without their permission.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28933070

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Bertster7
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Iraq wouldn't have been invaded by ISIS if the French and British parliaments had authorized airstrikes along with the U.S. after Assad used chemical weapons.
I don't get it?

Are you saying it would be better if the West had helped ISIS overthrow Assad and take control of Syria?

Many of the Syrian rebels, the ones the Russians thought it far too dangerous to arm or assist, are the crazy psychos who formed ISIS.

Cybargs wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Iraq wouldn't have been invaded by ISIS if the French and British parliaments had authorized airstrikes along with the U.S. after Assad used chemical weapons.
You do realize ISIS is also an offshoot of Al Qaeda Iraq right?
I don't think that's accurate. They are former allies of Al Qaeda.

Shahter wrote:

ah, drives. my bad.

well, anyway, i just checked - none of that is actually happening: no fliers, no phone numbers, no offices, no e-mail addresses, nothing. there are groups in social media for those, who would volunteer to fight for separatists in ukraine - bloody psychos if you ask me - but that hardly passes for "recruitment drives".

so, any more "evidence"?
These things happen in subtle ways, typically through socially media. I doubt you would be aware of this stuff - much as I am unaware of the ISIS recruiting for Jihad in London - because you are not the sort of psycho they are looking for.

I have a very split mindset when it comes to the situation in Ukraine. There is clearly some Russian involvement which goes beyond what can reasonably be justified as humanitarian - but the Ukrainians are no saints. Ukrainians, despite their pro-Europe bias, seem to widely hold some very backward beliefs. Their government (or at least large parts of it) is made up of softened, westernised, fascists spreading their special brand of fascism lite which is just soft enough not to offend their Western allies they are so eager to ingratiate themselves with. I don't agree with the political ideologies in Ukraine, but I don't agree with what Russia are doing there either.

But hey - not relevant to the Middle East.

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