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you are so fucking hilarious.

literally an right-wing, white, orthodox christian nation, led by an orthodox christian patriarch who has encouraged the war effort (and split with rome and the catholic church over it) ... a country with a long history of christian pogroms and riots/murders/deportations of jews ...

literally when a country frames its war efforts as one of 'going to Heaven' when they die, that being the ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN RUSSIAN HEAVEN ...

dilbert's input: "wow these guys are just like the evil jews!"

yeah, it never occurred to me that the ABRAHAMIC religions have the same eschatology. i literally did an entire postgraduate unit on MILLENARIAN and apocalyptic literature, particularly focalised on america and its own brand of end-of-times thinking.
https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300 … re-nation/

but let's keep to the actual subject and call orthodox christian nationalism what is it, shall we? otherwise you lose all meaning. i really don't think we need to delve deep into the old testament and jewish history to gloss an understanding on what's happening in russia today.

you saying 'they sound like jews' is derp-level analysis. they sound like nationalist/imperialist devout orthodox christians. christianity, by the way, has their own flavour of apocalypse and their own book that isn't in the jewish canon (revelations). though i'm not going to get into a discussion here of that particular significance in the orthodox canon.

Last edited by uziq (2022-04-29 04:44:31)

The universe was sneezed out of the nose of the Great Green Arkleseizure

We must all ready ourselves for the coming of the Great White Handkerchief

Its why people say "bless you" when you sneeze.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2022-04-29 06:05:23)

You keep believing that

We've had 70+ years of the jews and their unhinged nuttery turning the world upside down and creating conflict and terror and death.

Putin does literally the exact same thing, based on directly parallel nuttery - Ukraine belongs to the Russians, Ukrainians have never existed, 1000's of years of history give me the right to do as I like and slaughter anyone who stands in my way, god wills it - and the world goes nuts

Dilbert_X wrote:

We've had 70+ years of the jews and their unhinged nuttery turning the world upside down and creating conflict and terror and death.

Putin does literally the exact same thing, based on directly parallel nuttery - Ukraine belongs to the Russians, Ukrainians have never existed, 1000's of years of history give me the right to do as I like and slaughter anyone who stands in my way, god wills it - and the world goes nuts

“what if i told you”.

the modern israeli nation state took their modus operandi from the imperial states, like tsarist russia, and the european nation states.

NOT the other way around.

to the extend that modern israel is an oppressive regime, they’re taking it from the playbook of western christian nations who pioneered that stuff back before zionism was even a coherent idea.

comparing putin’s reigniting of 19th century russian nationalism to … the jews … is so arse backwards that i don’t even know what to say to you.

the fucking courageous leader of ukraine, representing the ‘free world’ and one supposedly free of mad extremist ideology, is goddamned jewish!

you have a screw loose.

i think you should read a history or political critique of nationalism. events in the 19th century are far more germane than biblical myths.

zionism as an ideology was really spurred on by anti-semitism in europe, notably massive pogroms in tsarist russia and things like high-profile anti-semitism in the french establishment (e.g. dreyfus affair). all this is literally the mainstream history of 19th century nationalist movements. zionism only gathered steam because a bunch of jews in russia were worried about their future under tsarism.

to say that russian nationalists being orthodox christian nationalists is 'reminiscent of the jews' is literally the cart before the horse. it is arse backwards. it is stupid beyond measure.

nevermind that a significant current to zionism is so-called 'secuiar judaism'. a significant amount of the ideological underpinnings and foundational writings of zionism have nothing fucking to do with biblical myths or theology whatsoever. they were phrased in secular terms, using the concepts and terms from european nationalist movements, to argue for an ethnic jewish state built along the same lines as any number of ethnic/majoritarian european states. it's as simple as that.

to say that zionism is some extremist fundamentalist religious ideology is factually wrong. many of the architects of the nation-state of israel could not give less of a fuck about biblical myths. they were secular jews from russia or europe. zionism is even understood as a movement that is characteristically post-jewish enlightenment ffs.

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notice dilbert has conspicuously little to say now that russia and israel are publicly feuding and russia is viewing israel as a pro-zelensky/pro-ukraine state.

Russia: We're going to invade a neighbouring country on a paranoiac whim, wantonly shell civilians, rape and kill women and children, summarily execute military and civilian prisoners and tell the international community to fuck off or we'll nuke them

Israel: My god, its like looking in a mirror. Don't worry, we got your back bro, if we want to murder the odd Iranian civilian you got our back bro? Right bro?

Also

Russia: Maybe Hitler had some jewish heritage
Israel: Thats not true, we're still bros though right?

You're missing the point that Israel has allied with a brutal war criminal.

total rout for the conservatives in the local elections. ouch. boris is being given more than food for thought.

some of the results are mindbending. mega-brexitty Hull voted in a lib-dem, the most openly pro-remain party there is, the only party with a platform of trying to reverse the referendum result (a policy heretofore considered electorally too toxic for labour). like ... wtf?

dilbert, seeing as you instinctively understand 'the people' whom you left behind 30 years ago, perhaps you can tell me?