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Shahter
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lol indeed. a dude, who's occupation is physics and astronomy, googled for stuff and compiled some shit. then he took a map and painted it in different colors. very nice. now, one's supposed to do with that... what, exactly? print it out and use it to wipe himself?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Igor Dolutsky finds nothing unusual in disagreeing with everyone around him.
ah, so guy's a sociopath. okay, that's nothing unusual indeed, as are the facts that his students aren't really fond of him and his books on history are pulled from the curriculum.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/3c8495d0-c0ba-11e3-a74d-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2z5p00ON7
what a lovely sounding place to live. more western propaganda
right.

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KEN-JENNINGS
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Shahter, what do you think about this article highlighting recent Russian media propaganda?

same guy three different roles?
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+282|5094|Moscow, Russia
i think that's some shameful dispray alright, but hardly "media propaganda" - just an episode, one of many. everybody fucks up from time to time.
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KEN-JENNINGS
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It's actually media propaganda by definition, isn't it?  I mean, if that isn't a clear example of propaganda, what is?  Are you saying the individual media outlets were bamboozled by the guy they interviewed?  Aren't at least two of the news sources Russian state-owned media?
SuperJail Warden
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I love how Russia has Snowden interviewing Putin in PR events. I hate that hypocritical coward.
Cybargs
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

It's actually media propaganda by definition, isn't it?  I mean, if that isn't a clear example of propaganda, what is?  Are you saying the individual media outlets were bamboozled by the guy they interviewed?  Aren't at least two of the news sources Russian state-owned media?
They're either state owned or they follow the status quo. Nobody really wants to get shot in an elevator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Politkovskaya

I like how all the "self defence forces" and "local militia" suddenly have access to new russian military equipment including APCs.

more european propaganda

http://www.euractiv.com/sections/global … ion-301601

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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+282|5094|Moscow, Russia

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

It's actually media propaganda by definition, isn't it?  I mean, if that isn't a clear example of propaganda, what is?
let me make this quite clear for you: i totally agree that russia does propaganda - in state controlled media, in non-state controlled media, all information manipulation tools and resources are engaged. and sometimes they do fuckup - hilariously in some cases, as you rightly pointed out.

the problem here is, these... eh... "opponents" of mine in this thread somehow cannot get it in their heads, or whatever it is they have for heads, that everybody uses those information manipulation tools, including so called "enlightened west". in fact, the west is a lot more experienced, technologically advanced, and thus more effective at it than anybody else.

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Cybargs
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Shahter wrote:

er it is they have for heads, that everybody uses those information manipulation tools, including so called "enlightened west". in fact, the west is a lot more experienced, technologically advanced, and thus more effective at it than anybody else.
yeah we know, it's just you dismiss every single western news source as "biased western propaganda." We know their purpose but at least they don't have guys on the ground making shit up as they go.
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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+282|5094|Moscow, Russia

Cybargs wrote:

Shahter wrote:

er it is they have for heads, that everybody uses those information manipulation tools, including so called "enlightened west". in fact, the west is a lot more experienced, technologically advanced, and thus more effective at it than anybody else.
yeah we know, it's just you dismiss every single western news source as "biased western propaganda."
but that's what they are - biased western propaganda. like every other media, they report what they are paid (or otherwise made) to report. add 2 and 2 already.

they don't have guys on the ground making shit up as they go.
they do.

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Cybargs
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Shahter wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Shahter wrote:

er it is they have for heads, that everybody uses those information manipulation tools, including so called "enlightened west". in fact, the west is a lot more experienced, technologically advanced, and thus more effective at it than anybody else.
yeah we know, it's just you dismiss every single western news source as "biased western propaganda."
but that's what they are - biased western propaganda. like every other media, they report what they are paid (or otherwise made) to report. add 2 and 2 already.

they don't have guys on the ground making shit up as they go.
they do.
Yeah show me where the west has backed "local militias" with new anti tank weapons and APCs with brand new uniforms. you should really read stopfake.org, but then again youd think its western propaganda.
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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+282|5094|Moscow, Russia

Cybargs wrote:

Yeah show me where the west has backed "local militias" with new anti tank weapons and APCs with brand new uniforms.
this is not even funny. the west have been backing anybody and everybody who they thought could be useful to them, with weapons and everything, for, like, forever.

you should really read stopfake.org
no, thanks, kiddie, i have a head of my own, and make good use of it. you should try using yours some time.
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Cybargs
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Shahter wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Yeah show me where the west has backed "local militias" with new anti tank weapons and APCs with brand new uniforms.
this is not even funny. the west have been backing anybody and everybody who they thought could be useful to them, with weapons and everything, for, like, forever.
so youre admitting theyre russian soldiers and not local militia?
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lol

i'd like to know how much lithium is in trAshcanistan.

so we can make batteries in the west, and sell the rest to Russia as pills for manic-depressive, er, bi-polar disorder pills . . .
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+282|5094|Moscow, Russia

Cybargs wrote:

so youre admitting theyre russian soldiers and not local militia?
who am i - or who are you for that matter - to be admitting anything here? you don't know squat about what's happening in ukraine, plain and simple. i know a bit more, because i personally know a lot of people who live in there, but that's not enough to be "admitting" anything.

is russia backing up those who try to resist nazies who performed a coup in ukraine? no doubt. are russian intelligence and special forces working in there? no doubt. is there a lot of local people with military training who with proper equipment could form militia? no doubt. is there a lot of former soviet equipment there? no doubt.

who are those people who call themselves "militia"? i don't know. and i'm sure as hell you don't know too, so gtfo.

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Cybargs
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Shahter wrote:

is russia backing up those who try to resist nazies who performed a coup in ukraine?
lawl nazis performing a coup in ukraine. thats pretty rich.
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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+282|5094|Moscow, Russia
uh-huh. "enlightened west" backing al-qaeda in in lybia, egypt and syria - and now backing nazies in ukraine. who would've thought?
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Cybargs
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Shahter wrote:

uh-huh. "enlightened west" backing al-qaeda in in lybia, egypt and syria - and now backing nazies in ukraine. who would've thought?
i dont see al qaeda roaming freely in libya and egypt and have fun being a radical islamist under the military control in egypt. the west has not supplied any weapons to the rebels in syria. sure the UK has sent food and kevlar but nothing major as sending goddamn spetznaz on the ground and prop up secessionist movements.
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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+282|5094|Moscow, Russia

Cybargs wrote:

i dont see al qaeda roaming freely in libya and egypt and have fun being a radical islamist under the military control in egypt. the west has not supplied any weapons to the rebels in syria. sure the UK has sent food and kevlar but nothing major as sending goddamn spetznaz on the ground and prop up secessionist movements.
spetznaz on the ground my ass.
keep chewing on the line of crap fed to you by your "free press".
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Cybargs
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Shahter wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

i dont see al qaeda roaming freely in libya and egypt and have fun being a radical islamist under the military control in egypt. the west has not supplied any weapons to the rebels in syria. sure the UK has sent food and kevlar but nothing major as sending goddamn spetznaz on the ground and prop up secessionist movements.
spetznaz on the ground my ass.
keep chewing on the line of crap fed to you by your "free press".
yeah because russia would send in regular conventional soldiers to stir up unrest in ukraine right?
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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+282|5094|Moscow, Russia
that's not even funny. gloves, masks, uniforms and... beards are now "evidence"? k.
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Cybargs
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Shahter wrote:

that's not even funny. gloves, masks, uniforms and... beards are now "evidence"? k.
yeah because random people have access to latest russian uniforms right.
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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+282|5094|Moscow, Russia
how do you know those are actually latest russian uniforms? oh, right, you don't. and have no way of knowing.

gtfo already.
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