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Dilbert_X
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Ginormous legal affairs dept full of morons.
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KEN-JENNINGS
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"Best effort" is a term widely used in manufacturing contracts and supplier agreements. It's ambiguous on the face of it, but not really- if one side can prove the other was deliberately slowing or redirecting production to the detriment of the agreement, damages can be won. You don't want to be specific so you have more room to argue which actions could be deemed as "best effort" or not. It's a punt by both sides to defer to lawyers in case there is a disagreement instead of bogging down the contract negotiation process with clearly defined examples.

Every contract negotiation I have been a part of has very specific parameters for spreading risk (and I have been a part of many, and reviewed many more). There are no doubt contractual benchmarks to abide by, but without knowing those details it's difficult to assess blame. The EU may know it negotiated a bad contract and are using public pressure to resolve it. Or the EU may know AZ is in breach of the contract and rather than resolving this through legal channels, they are using public pressure to compel AZ to deliver according to their obligations. Maybe there were specifics regarding the location of production facilities. Tranport costs for millions of doses of vaccines will vary widely depending on where you are transporting them from and to. I saw industry projections where vaccine distribution is supposed to account for 1% of total global air freight in 2021. That's insane to think about.
Dilbert_X
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I'll admit I've had minimal involvement in contract negotiations, the contracts I have seen don't say much more than deliver x by y subject to force majeure - thats all I need to worry about.

All the information will be in the contract, its mysterious why the two parties are saying the contract says different things.
Poor yield is bad luck, thats where 'best effort' comes in, I think the euro-fags are trying to wriggle out of their own contractual fuckup with bluster and bullying out of habit as much as anything.
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KEN-JENNINGS
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Poor yield is purely on the manufacturer, and never an excuse for "best effort". Yield rate is a cost-based variable, and as such needs to be understood by the manufacturer prior to negotiating pricing and lead times. You can't agree to produce a quantity of something by a specific time frame at a specific price without knowing that information. There's no doubt these pharma companies had to make certain gambles as far as materials procurement and production quantities in order to meet demand immediately after government approval, but without gigantic margins, there's no way a manufacturer can deal with yield rate fluctuations and still turn a profit.

The best effort tends to address things like redirecting production to other business, not securing capacity or components dependent on lead times and availability, failing to get proper regulatory compliance and approvals, etc.

I would almost guarantee there are specifics around where the manufacturing is being done and how that relates to lead times. That's probably why the EU is complaining.

As an aside, the only time I ever saw a force majuere clause used was when we had a container of product stolen in transit. Even the Japanese Tsunami that wiped out chip production didn't trigger that clause, because no one in their right mind is going to bitch and moan about something like that.
SuperJail Warden
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The only shipping term I know is "inherent vice". Do you deal in a lot of inherent vice, Ken?
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KEN-JENNINGS
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There's no inherent vice in supply chain management. The correct term is LCM- the lower of cost or market. You generally adjust the value of inventory down from time to time based on the latest market conditions in order to realize the loss against cost of goods instead of lost margin. It's an accounting trick to ensure you are valuing your inventory correctly to shareholders while still being able to record sales at a profit.
SuperJail Warden
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Did you ever hear from Hurricane? He majored in SCM. Did you convince him?
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KEN-JENNINGS
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No but i hope he is successful in whatever he does!

Speaking of which, i need to keep you updated on another thread
SuperJail Warden
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I eagerly await your update.
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Dilbert_X
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Poor yield is purely on the manufacturer, and never an excuse for "best effort". Yield rate is a cost-based variable, and as such needs to be understood by the manufacturer prior to negotiating pricing and lead times. You can't agree to produce a quantity of something by a specific time frame at a specific price without knowing that information. There's no doubt these pharma companies had to make certain gambles as far as materials procurement and production quantities in order to meet demand immediately after government approval, but without gigantic margins, there's no way a manufacturer can deal with yield rate fluctuations and still turn a profit.

The best effort tends to address things like redirecting production to other business, not securing capacity or components dependent on lead times and availability, failing to get proper regulatory compliance and approvals, etc.

I would almost guarantee there are specifics around where the manufacturing is being done and how that relates to lead times. That's probably why the EU is complaining.

As an aside, the only time I ever saw a force majuere clause used was when we had a container of product stolen in transit. Even the Japanese Tsunami that wiped out chip production didn't trigger that clause, because no one in their right mind is going to bitch and moan about something like that.
They're also on the limit of their production capability, its not as if they're overproducing to cover yield and can still deliver.
Anyway, like I said, its not really my thing.
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KEN-JENNINGS
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Yeah and I can imagine it's a fairly complex production process, so it's probably not as easy as ctrl c /ctrl v another production line like you more or less can in electronics manufacturing.
Dilbert_X
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Sure, getting vaccines to breed is somewhat a black art and one miss-step or bad luck gives you 2000l of useless soup and you start again more desperate than before.
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Dilbert_X
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I think the only time we have invoked force majeure or something like it was when a customer handled the supply chain and delivered fake chips with nothing in them. The first few on the reel were OK.

Also was a bad time to choose to skip intermediate test and conformal coat before final test....

Paying someone to wait and do nothing when they could be doing something useful is an accounting trick which makes no sense to me.

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KEN-JENNINGS
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When i sold electronic components on the secondary market we used to use a company to do quality checks on components sourced out of China. It was two big, burly dudes who would vet the supplier to make sure it wasn't a guy in a dirt stall in Shenzhen stripping cheap components and remasking/reprinting them as more expensive ones. I've seen some really funny pictures of dies that were re-stamped, model/serial number/brand logos coming off of a chip with a simple alcohol rub, misspellings, etc. I don't think it's as big an issue now as it was pre-RoHs and Pb-free days, but it was interesting to see firsthand.
Dilbert_X
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We occasionally get asked to epoxy overcoat chips so they can't be reused.

I have plenty of first and second-hand horror stories, medical devices being 'washed' in a dirty bucket outdoors may be the best one.

Fake documentation and test data is as big a problem, often they just make stuff up or copy a competitor, literally copy someone else's documents and photoshop the company name at the top.
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Dilbert_X
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Shit just got real

Eurovision: Italy wins while UK's James Newman gets nil points

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-57198762
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uziq
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yougov poll: who thinks brexit is going well so far this year?

Con voters - 51%
Leave voters - 45%
British public - 25%
Remain voters - 8%
Lab voters - 5%

true insanity.
Dilbert_X
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They probably shouldn't have voted for it then.
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Dilbert_X
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Cummings really is delusional and unhinged, a policy wonk thinking he can remove an elected PM

Dominic Cummings: I discussed ousting PM after 2019 election landslide
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-57880118
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uziq
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it's top-rate political drama though. the machiavellian aide who has turned against his boss. posting whatsapp text exchanges and giving the most vulgar and explicit insight into the workings of executive power.

a+ for drama. nearly as good as the sopranos.
Dilbert_X
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I don't think there's anyone on earth who doesn't think he's a stupid prat apart from him.
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uziq
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everyone of even moderate intelligence thinks he's dumb. his ranty pseudo-philosophical, faux-scientific blog has been an object of derision and humour for years now.

what's funny is that you think he's somehow an exemplum of humanities education. he is a joke to everyone. nothing subject-specific about his case, just another loon who skimreads things on internet blogs and thinks he can synthesize a new model of society from it or whatever the fuck. he is basically cognate with QAnon and flat-earthers.
DesertFox-
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Ran across this posted somewhere today and it made me think of you, BF2s <3

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2021/07/21/a- … ivate-eye/
uziq
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almost like what i’ve been saying here for 10 years.
Dilbert_X
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Thats a follow up to an article by MD in Private Eye, MD being a respected doctor with a long-running column.
Already given that edition to the neighbour, and its been overtaken by Hancock resigning.

I was going to post it here, basically it lamented the fact that the PM and health sec, who were dealing with the pandemic, are classics 'scholars', and while science is about studying things in depth, taking decisions and owning the consequences in real time, classics is about skim-reading, making assumptions and blustering your way through the rest of it.

Anyhoo, it seems odd to me that the one group of people who you'd think would have a grip on ethics seem to be the least ethical people in the nation, both focused on boning their mistresses, getting them cushy govt jobs when they're unqualified and diverting millions or billions to their chums.

Its as if they actually pick up nothing except colossal arrogance and contempt for everyone else.
Sound familiar?
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