BF2S Forums Where are all the whiny peaceful "Enlightened" European now?

uziq wrote:

poland is a country turning into a theocratic right-wing state ran according to catholic precept. they're trying to ban abortion, a decision which will put 100,000s of lives at risk every single year. why? because of religious morality.

this should be something you absolutely hate. but instead you're calling a quite reasonable EU 'fascists' instead. when, er, poland is actually a country courting neo-nazis and fascist tendencies.

you are such a waste of time.

Everyone would be better off if they were out of the EU and merged with Russia.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Larssen wrote:

It's the story of the EU isn't it? Trade union without monetary union, monetary union without fiscal union, fiscal cooperation without political union, the ball rolls on because conservatives are a bunch of dumb cunts and will only learn after about another 100 years.

The problem really is Brussels doesn't have total control of everything, taxation, spending, laws, freedoms. Dumb cunts why can't they just accept the Germans should be in charge?

How effective is a trade union going to be with internal monetary competition?

How effective is a monetary union going to be without fiscal union?

Etc.

It's not about the EU wanting to encroach on all aspects of national or regional policies, that's BS. What it does is identify areas of common interest for all or a majority of the 27 member states and design policy to support those interests. All member states agree to this deal. They're all in the room voting on these proposals. Nothing gets past the national leadership.

There's also something here which you're failing to understand. 'Sovereignty' consists of two parts: (1) autonomous decision-making capacity, (2) policy effectiveness. If you're 'sovereign' in the sense that you have total control over policy, but you're not able to actually enact those policies, you're kinda useless. Countries seek cooperation to enhance their policy effectiveness, but they hate it if someone else 'tells them what to do!'. Well my friend if you're dealing with problems you yourself can't solve you're going to have to respect this thing called cooperation, or, union, in this case.

Last edited by Larssen (2020-11-18 15:42:24)

Larssen wrote:

IHungary and Poland signed many treaties declaring they would respect all sorts of agreements at the EU level. One of the most basic ones is on the independence and impartiality of the judiciary and rule of law, it is even an accession requirement. Both countries are in violation of that requirement.

What the EU is doing is holding them to account. They're not respecting their part of the deal, not even basic agreements.

Why u always wrong

dilbert hasn't been to the UK since about 1980. his entire view of the situation on the ground here comes from right-wing tabloids. the sort that bricklayers leave on the dashboards of their white vans. he is hopeless.

'everyone wants to get into the UK to get a free house and a lifetime of benefits'.  yes because that's really the reality.

'reading is for losers'. lol indeed, in-fucking-deed.

uziq wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

The asylum seekers clearly haven't read German history if they are heading there.

germany invited huge numbers of turks, greeks, italians, portuguese etc. into the country for their reconstruction.

I know. The Germans are good long range planners...

uziq wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

The asylum seekers clearly haven't read German history if they are heading there.

germany invited huge numbers of turks, greeks, italians, portuguese, yugoslavians, etc. into the country for their reconstruction.

And Syrians, you forgot Syrians.

And how has that worked out? Presumably the third generation is fully assimilated now.

They sound like they would make wonderful Protestants.

https://www.dailysabah.com/politics/eld … risis/news

Turkish associations in the German city of Wiesbaden decided to unite under a single roof and provide assistance to elderly people who are in the high-risk category.

One of the volunteers, Osman Bilgili, told Yeni Şafak daily that an elderly German woman started crying when she saw them at the door.

“Are you really coming from the mosque?” the woman said, adding that she’d had a wrong perception of the Muslims and Turks for decades.

The woman apologized to the volunteers, saying that she really appreciated their helpfulness.

“We were actually surprised to see such a reaction,” Bilgili said, adding that they have been trying to help everyone regardless of their religious affiliation, gender or race.

I'm personally glad Doner is a street food staple in Germany.

The Turkish lady can probably pass for white. So she is okay. One of the good ones.