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and majored in one of the most disparaged social sciences/humanities subjects of all: communication studies (aka media studies).

He read to students at the Maryland School for the Blind during his service project for Eagle Scout. He cites this as one of the reasons that he became interested in narrating and writing.[6][7]
narrating and writing stories? but what's the point? culture is useless.

you sure do know how to structure an argument, dilbert.

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Let's set aside Rowe's work in promoting trades for a moment.

If we're to be blunt, "Things the Way They Are Because They're Not Like They Used to Be" according to a reality TV boomer who, according to their bio, "faked" their way into acting, probably isn't going to be the best take. You can get that from any old tradesman with a Let's Go Brandon bumper sticker on their car who is otherwise at least 10 years behind in most news.

Rowe goes on and on about work ethic and how people no longer have it, and then gets defensive when someone calls him out on it. To paraphrase, "I don't think all poor people are lazy!"

Keeping that in mind, Rowe's quote about butter churning or whatever doesn't make much sense. "What it means to go to work" for a lot of people isn't hopping in a septic tank for your TV program. It's working two, three, four abusive jobs for minimal, sub-minimal, and sometimes zero pay. Things people in young, working generations do. Maybe he's just not very good at outlining his opinions, but Fuck Rowe's sentiment on this.

e: It's also endlessly funny to me that Dilbert thinks lowly of non-STEM subjects, then quotes sci-fi writers and TV hosts.

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tradespeople are relatively insulated from the sort of privations and precariousness that typify the UK economy at present. they are not part of the 'precariat', forming as they do something that used to be called 'skilled working class'. most tradespeople make way above the median wage; more, in fact, than university graduates when you factor out the student loans repayments and concentrations of graduate work in hyper-expensive london (not saying there's anything wrong with that, either, just they are wholly irrelevant in this discussion).

the majority of people affected in the UK by the cost-of-living crisis do not lack a work ethic. they are being exploited and eaten up in work which is, by design, precarious, poorly represented/unionized, and open to abuse. the industries they work in are often posting record profits. just they are seeing none of it. workers are being asked to eat a lot of shit whilst their bosses enjoy bumper salaries and endless bail-outs. the recent transport union strikes are emblematic of this; to say nothing of nurses, teachers, and other 'frontline' professions which have taken endless shit during the pandemic. even highly qualified and highly paid GPs (physicians to you yanks) are quitting the NHS in droves following years of stagnation, exploitation and short shrift. this is Tory-Brexiteer UK for you in all its magnifence (no accident that many of the subordinate or support roles in hospitals and care were staffed by ... europeans who got kicked out).

and yet dilbert loves to pretend that the issue here is one of 'shirkers' and 'those who get on in life'. or, again, and endlessly, between effete humanities people who are afraid to get their hands dirty and 'honest' bluecollar workers. his self-invented little rants are totally inapt and irrelevant.

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This is Thatcher's Britain.

There'll be reckoning one day, maybe Johnson's cronyism will do it.
Blair probably thought he was doing well, his net worth is less than one minor PPE contract.

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Tradespeople have on occasion quite low opinions of engineers as a stereotyped bunch of air conditioned, boneheaded office workers with no field experience, who will throw you under the bus before admitting fault to their bosses, clients, or the bureaucrats. Calculator men.

Imagine being an engineer upselling one of the biggest mascots of the trades on the planet.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

This is Thatcher's Britain.

There'll be reckoning one day, maybe Johnson's cronyism will do it.
Blair probably thought he was doing well, his net worth is less than one minor PPE contract.

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blairism was just reheated thatcherism. blair's main model, not only as a charismatic leader but for a whole economic programme, was bill clinton (who was in his turn just reheated neoliberal ideology of the reagan years with a few progressive sprinkles on top).

that's what so-called 'third way' politics of the 1990s were: centrist liberals in their newly gifted emperor's clothes, after the collapse of the USSR and any serious ideological alternative to end-of-history market liberalism, forever. and, to think, you understood blair and new labour as a 'left wing' phenomenon.

it's all one continuous trajectory which has spelled bad news for working people and good news for speculative wealth traders and asset holders. we're back in a situation with jazz age inequality, mega-capitalist billionaires and widespread privation. but hey, elon musk is a god-race engineering genius and not just a symptom of a broken system, right? it's the equivalent of worshipping henry ford and believing he designed all the cars himself with his STEM nous (fun parallels in their equally zany and toxic political ideas, hey).

trumpeting and cheering on brexit as a 'reckoning' by 'the peepul' was very poorly advised, wasn't it? what happened with populism at the end of the last jazz age in the 1920s? make u think.

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It is really comical how the former Warsaw Pact countries are sending literally every piece of Soviet equipment they still have to use against Russia. The Soviets bankrupted themselves tooling up the countries that are now helping Ukraine. What a twist.
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it’s pretty foreseeable they would get spooked to immediately rally. the ‘former’ warsaw pact countries hate russia.
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https://twitter.com/zei_squirrel/status … MFmQBvLOkw

greedy lazy workers.

watch the whole thread.

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Seen this already somewhere, top bloke 100%.
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Larssen wrote:

Seen this already somewhere, top bloke 100%.
nah this is the top bloke recently.

https://twitter.com/saulstaniforth/stat … 3cTePmf_ag
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uziq wrote:

https://twitter.com/zei_squirrel/status/1551719339870588930?s=21&t=fUtoYsM0rcARMFmQBvLOkw

greedy lazy workers.

watch the whole thread.
That's a right wing show alright, constantly speaking over your guest. Kudos to him for plowing on through the prattle and not losing his train of thought.
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it's not overly right-wing in the way that, say, a fox news or tucker carlson-adjacent show would be. we don't quite have that sort of thing on the UK television (a bunch of nutjobs tried to make their own post-brexit populist tv channel, but it crashed and burned within 6 glorious weeks).

but it's insidiously right-wing in that sort of cosy, establishment way. the conversations are always nudged and framed thus so as to make some things seem 'reasonable' and others not. it's sub-BBC (which is generally pretty good, i find, on anything except direct political commentary). jeremy vine himself is something of an 'everyman' figure, not someone you'd associate necessarily with right-wing beliefs, but one of those thin-lipped 'commonsense' types who would probably surprise you if you asked for their opinion on, say ... worker's rights and trade union strikes.
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it's really refreshing to hear these voices on UK television for a change, though. can't remember the last time these viewpoints were given a proper airing ... not since bob crow over a decade ago, i guess..



instead the nation's tv screens at breakfast and dinner have been pumped full of nigel farage talking about 'migrant invasions' for too long. let's start turning the conversation towards economic justice and real solutions to working people's problems.
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uziq wrote:

it's not overly right-wing in the way that, say, a fox news or tucker carlson-adjacent show would be. we don't quite have that sort of thing on the UK television (a bunch of nutjobs tried to make their own post-brexit populist tv channel, but it crashed and burned within 6 glorious weeks).

but it's insidiously right-wing in that sort of cosy, establishment way. the conversations are always nudged and framed thus so as to make some things seem 'reasonable' and others not. it's sub-BBC (which is generally pretty good, i find, on anything except direct political commentary). jeremy vine himself is something of an 'everyman' figure, not someone you'd associate necessarily with right-wing beliefs, but one of those thin-lipped 'commonsense' types who would probably surprise you if you asked for their opinion on, say ... worker's rights and trade union strikes.
That puts it more clearly I suppose. I just noticed a lot of that sort of thing blasting off in its own direction with Limbaugh and his crowd. Some of the right wing hosts would even fume and stamp their feet and be all like "It's MY show, I do what I want! Get your own show and you can do what YOU want! NEXT CALLER!" to the chortling of commuter-listeners. And that's when they're in a good mood. Of course if brought to task, they are just acting in the capacity of an entertainer. Like, suuuure you are.

Maybe it's survivorship bias when I see older broadcasts and interviews where guests are allowed to speak.
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Bleh, unions also suck ass.
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https://twitter.com/rmtunion/status/155 … 1vjYkz_WAg

this guy smashes it out the park every time.

unions in the 1970s situation are not the same as now. comparisons are self-serving. what we precisely do NOT need is a thatcher figure and market neo-liberalist to come along and smash the overweening unions. workers’ rights, especially in the current legal framework and power balance, made all the worse by modern technologies, are at a LOW ebb. workers are more isolated and less covered by contract than in the 1970s.

it is the right moment for unions. especially in workforces like amazon’s, who are quickly turning the world into a dystopia so that one guy can keep popping to low-earth orbit in a giant silver phallus.

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me: workers are facing a £3200 energy bill this year (2 months of average take-home salary).
dilbert: can't they work more hours or just get a better job?

me: the cost-of-living crisis has immiserated the working class. 30% of all children in the north-west of england are classed as in 'poverty'. the UK, the world's 5th largest economy, has become a nation of charity schemes and food banks.
dilbert: the working class have just got used to small cash handouts and free food. lazy bastards!

me: the UK's top businesses and executives are taking record profits and bumper bonuses, whilst workers are suffering under 12% inflation with 2/3 year continued pay-freezes.
dilbert: bleh unions suck! i remember the 1970s!

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I remember the 1990s, thanks, unions suck ass.

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yes, let's forget worker's rights because of the 1990s.

we aren't in the 1970s. we aren't even in the 1990s, with their casually chauvinist attitudes and 'lads mags' era. we aren't even in the fucking 2010s when it comes to gender relations and fireable HR offences. you can get let go thesedays for asking someone where they're from or, hell, misgendering someone on purpose with the wrong pronoun.

imagine trying to smear union activity in 2022, in a cost-of-living crisis, because of ... the 1990s?

what are you specifically trying to smear them over from the '90s, anyway? the unions were in terminal decline by the time new labour came around.

i think a pertinent question is why you go to such lengths to sound like a lickspittle? you are honestly worse than jay.

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Workers rights =/= Unions

Unions give about as much of a fuck about actual workers as your average Thatcherite.
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ok. you're talking in stereotypes from either 30 or 50 years ago again. good stuff.

BLM want to takeover the world and don't care about any other civil rights struggle.

trade unions only care about their own.

etc.

never mind all the evidence of collaboration and alliance building in these organisations.

Workers rights =/= Unions
and how do workers win and retain rights without union representation, dilbert? class action lawsuits? individual letter writing?

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Have you ever been a member of a union?

Here the unions, which have set up their own super funds which they've forced members into, now control the govt and are pushing through financial deregulation of super funds.
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we are talking about the UK? first you want to dismiss them because of the 1990s and now they're responsible for ... australian labour? you are a kook.

i worked in the not-for-profit sector and there was an in-house council mediating between workers and the institute. no unions necessary because my working conditions were very amenable – socialist, you could say.

both my parents and grandparents have been members of unions at some point or other in their career.

quite a few publishing houses have pushed to unionize recently, as well as previously union-free academics. i support all of their efforts, considering both industries are being systematically pillaged by the corporate class and workers' pay and conditions are utterly stagnant.

https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/4560-w … in-a-union

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