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the cartels are formed of ex-paramilitary and rebels. the terrible situation arises from a power vacuum - it's inextricably political, as well. this should be obvious enough: the drug-trade is controlled by a criminal underworld no matter where you are in the world; only in a certain few states has this ended up with out-and-out violence and public unrest. the cartels just do very good business through the drugs trade (a large majority of which, again, is that innocuous weed). and, nope, i'm still not accepting the same level of responsibility for buying a gram of cocaine once every 6 months in the UK, which is probably about 20% south american content, at best, as being on-par with fucking some hooker in the far east.

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-04-17 04:23:51)

i don't really know what legality has to do with concrete personal ethics. are you trying to say something is automatically 'worse' because it is illegal, regardless? so parking on double yellow lines or getting a parking ticket is ethically, unanimously 'worse' than fucking a child hooker? ok. the fact that prostitution may be legal in certain far eastern states just speaks of a fairly major political-legal problem over there, tbh, not all too dissimilar from a narco-state's interior problems. but ok: if a government says something is okay, you won't question its personal ethics at all. i guess anyone doing cocaine in portugal is absolved of all responsibility then.

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-04-17 04:30:17)

The govt saying something is illegal never slowed you down, what gives you the right to tell people they shouldn't do something which is legal?

In many parts of Asia drug possession or trafficking carries the death penalty, and yet prostitution is legal. Its a different set of morals, don't go there is you don't like it.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2013-04-17 04:36:02)

i dunno, i'd say an entire life lived in crushing poverty and disenfranchisement by a caste system, experienced in the concrete and real, every single day of your life... is probably worse than the chance of being shot. perhaps just my own value-system again, though. plus, you can factor in all of the rapes, the violence, and the systemic abuse suffered by untouchables in indian society. that is actual suffering, too.

and i still firmly believe that sleeping with child hookers or prostitutes forced into their condition by poverty or whatever is a whole lot worse than doing drugs. the vast majority of illegal drugs don't implicate any sort of major drug-war or civil unrest. fucking a hooker is a direct action you take, wholly upon yourself. i don't really see how they are ethically comparable. it is easy to find an alternative to a hooker in a consensual, healthy relationship. people who regularly buy cocaine (again: i'm not really a part of this group you're lambasting) don't have the same sort of forethought or implication in a narco-war; it's not like there's an alternative supply route.

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-04-17 04:40:24)

Fuckin awesome Dil.

Btw some of those untouchables are damn wealthy.

Ilocano wrote:

Fuckin awesome Dil.

Btw some of those untouchables are damn wealthy.

uuh have you been to india?

speak for yoursel . . . oh wait. ya, welcome to the forum nyte

Ilocano wrote:

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

Ilocano wrote:

Fuckin awesome Dil.

Btw some of those untouchables are damn wealthy.

uuh have you been to india?

I'm surrounded by Indians.   One of my projects is now fielded by workers in India.   In the works another project expanding to India.   Most of the people on my big data project are Indians.

So have you actually been to India?

I'm quite aware of the caste system and poverty and prejudice.   But according to their own words the caste system is slowly getting replaced by the capitalist system.   Yes,  it's going to take a long time,  but it's happening.    Disadvantages becoming advantages.  Dirty manual labor jobs that other castes aren't allowed to do are becoming opportunities for the Dalits.

And what is the makeup of your circle of Indian contacts?  Howmany do you have frank social conversations with?

And besides I'd have been to India a few times already if Webex and the like tech wasn't as good as it is now.

I had an ex who lived in India until she was 10. She said she was from the top caste but was still poor when she lived there. Even had typhoid at one point. She is doing well now. Is a registered nurse at a hospital. Good for her.

Ilocano wrote:

Yes the vast majority of Dalits will never leave there position in life.  Like everywhere else in the world.    But  opportunity is much better now for more than it has ever been.

what about all them poor gooks who made their way up from being poor eh?