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I see NYPD cars blowing through red lights, making illegal turns, parking at hydrants etc. every fucking day. If you're going to enforce laws, shouldn't you follow them yourselves? But of course, they know that no one is going to pull them over so they do whatever the fuck they want.

Adams, if they were doing those things in pursuit of a crime I wouldn't be bitching about it. I'm talking about when I drive past them and they're illegally parked in front of a convenience store so they can run in for coffee. They make illegal turns because they simply don't care. They run red lights by turning on their lights, blasting their siren, and then turning off their lights on the other side because they don't want to wait. I live in an area that has virtually no crime, to the point that cops in other precincts make fun of the cops in mine, so it's not as if they are racing off to some crime scene somewhere. They have so little to do that when they bother pulling someone over three of their buddies will join them at the stop, lights ablaze, like it's time for a party.

People who gain authority invariably abuse it

In the UK Police discipline is a farce. They've campaigned and succeeded in getting right to silence more or less revoked for suspected criminals, but not for Police officers accused of 'disciplinary' offences - which basically means committing a crime whilst a Police officer.
The Police can do more or less what they want without much fear of sanction, if the worst comes to the worst they can retire on a full pension and it all goes away.
The IPCC can't compel Police officers to even attend an interview, less force them to answer questions - even when they've shot someone dead and won't say why.
If they choose not to investigate a crime there is nothing which can be done against them, if they choose to fuck up your life they can and will - very little can be done about it.
Even with the minimal rights UK citizens have the courts will invariably come down on the side of the Police - 'kettling' being a fine example - if a Police officer decides you're going to stand on a spot for an indefinite period he can make you do it - 10 hours, 24 hours, 48 hours, whatever he feels like.

Occasionally they go too far and face prosecution, but its extremely rare. The criminal and coroners courts are entirely rigged in favour of members of the prosecuting system, I was involved in a case in which it was proven that the CPS were handpicking judges, even mid-trial if things weren't going their way a judge could be pulled and replaced with one who would get the 'right' verdict - if that meant acquitting a Police officer or convicting an innocent person. (I have the documents, some senior people including the DPP mysteriously 'retired' shortly after)

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2013-04-02 01:41:01)

And sexist, the skirt always takes the fall.

Also, fuck ACPO.

Tell us something we don't already know, Mr. Kelly. People were saying this since the birth of municipal police departments. Of course it was passed off as conspiracy theory gibberish.

Where is the fox news brigade to tell us about reverse racism and how blacks and hispanics have it so good in America?

To be fair, most cops are uneducated tools who just follow orders. All they want is their paycheck every 2 weeks, vacation days and OT. There are cops that know what they're doing is unethical but since policing is organizational they develop this "Us vs Them" mentality. And of course, they're the righteous ones, making sure the streets are clean and buy into the myth which instilled into them at a young age. I don't blame the individual cops as much as I blame the institution which breeds this animosity between the community and police department.

13/f/taiwan wrote:

To be fair, most cops are uneducated tools who just follow orders. All they want is their paycheck every 2 weeks, vacation days and OT. There are cops that know what they're doing is unethical but since policing is organizational they develop this "Us vs Them" mentality. And of course, they're the righteous ones, making sure the streets are clean and buy into the myth which instilled into them at a young age. I don't blame the individual cops as much as I blame the institution which breeds this animosity between the community and police department.

And yet you're okay with intrusive big government programs otherwise...

Every program that Bloomberg has instituted has been anti-some-minority-group whether it's stop and frisk or his anti obesity crusade or his anti smoking crusade. Everything he does is designed to force people to his idealized behavior. He wants drones that go to work, go home, and obey the law to the letter. Smoking, gun wielding, fat black people are what he's trying to eradicate. He hates poor people. He's Carl Palladino with a grandfatherly smile.

They do deserve respect, but probably not nearly as much as they expect.

13/f/taiwan wrote:

To be fair, most cops are uneducated tools who just follow orders. All they want is their paycheck every 2 weeks, vacation days and OT. There are cops that know what they're doing is unethical but since policing is organizational they develop this "Us vs Them" mentality. And of course, they're the righteous ones, making sure the streets are clean and buy into the myth which instilled into them at a young age. I don't blame the individual cops as much as I blame the institution which breeds this animosity between the community and police department.

Giving less smart people power, putting them on a pedastal and no checks and balances is about the worst thing to do.

Also, reading law enforcement forums can be enlightening, most police see non-police as either perps or sheep, and have only contempt for both

Macbeth wrote:

Firefighters are always bitching about how they need donations for this or that or how their job is so difficult and dangerous etc. Well I think it is bullshit. Most firefighters just stay in their fire station all day eating and watching T.V. while they soak up huge government benefit packages. Then when the rare occasional of a fire breaking out happen they rush over and dose the place with water for several hours before going into the extinguished place. I am so sick of having to pretend to respect firefighters. It is their job and isn't even that dangerous. You are more likely to die as a logger than as a firefighter. Where is the loggers parade?

Your home has never been on fire, has it mac?

Spearhead wrote:

13/f/taiwan wrote:

Tell us something we don't already know, Mr. Kelly. People were saying this since the birth of municipal police departments. Of course it was passed off as conspiracy theory gibberish.

Where is the fox news brigade to tell us about reverse racism and how blacks and hispanics have it so good in America?

QFE.  Omg, such groundbreaking news.  lol.

There was an article by the huffington post that 'revealed' police departments are now militarized. Only a decade too late.

well jp morgan did 'donate' $4.6 million to the nypd during the height of occupy wall street.