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So glad I'm european

Larssen wrote:

So glad I'm european

i was literally thinking this earlier today. well, not european per se, but you know what i mean. there is absolutely nothing that would ever make me want to be american. it seems like a nation perpetually at war with itself.

only earlier i was watching some bbc documentary and it was in los angeles for a short segment. talking to some guy in south LA and it was just like, this latent sense of everyday violence and being in perpetual danger. an ordinary dispute can escalate into you getting shot, or the police who are supposed to protect you can shoot you. everything just so aggressive all the time. so tribal. being harangued for wearing a face mask by adenoidal republicans. like wow. fuck living in america.

i’ve said it repeatedly here over the last few months, but the state of america and its present direction are the biggest boon to the non-democracies of this world. putin, xi, etc. the liberal cause in their countries must be at an all-time low. the US is like the opposite of a holiday brochure.

RTHKI wrote:

Economic security is freedom to be a lazy mooch

The words do not exist for me to properly express how happy it makes me knowing Jay's kid are going to be paying my pothead public workers pension.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

What makes justice and defense valid but providing healthcare and food invalid?

Because a libertarian society is based on freedom, respect and non-aggression. The legitimate role of government is to act as intermediary and judge when aggression by one party denies freedom to another party.

Your desire for healthcare and food is wholly personal and can be satisfied by your own contribution to society and the wages you earn to pay for it directly. There's nothing preventing anybody in a libertarian society from forming or joining insurance collectives.

Economic security is a freedom.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_from_Want

You can't exercise freedom when you are starving, homeless, and destitute like you are happy for people to be.

I'm not happy for people to be starving, homeless or destitute, i just hate having to pay for lazy fucks like you,  who contribute less than the bare minimum to society and then whine like a sniveling shit constantly. You, who hide in a public sector union because you know damn well you would and should be fired for how few fucks you give about anything but porn. You, who should not be within 1,000 miles of any sort of power whatsoever. You are the fucking poster boy for why people like me hate the government.

Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Jay wrote:

Because a libertarian society is based on freedom, respect and non-aggression. The legitimate role of government is to act as intermediary and judge when aggression by one party denies freedom to another party.

Your desire for healthcare and food is wholly personal and can be satisfied by your own contribution to society and the wages you earn to pay for it directly. There's nothing preventing anybody in a libertarian society from forming or joining insurance collectives.

Economic security is a freedom.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_from_Want

You can't exercise freedom when you are starving, homeless, and destitute like you are happy for people to be.

I'm not happy for people to be starving, homeless or destitute, i just hate having to pay for lazy fucks like you,  who contribute less than the bare minimum to society and then whine like a sniveling shit constantly. You, who hide in a public sector union because you know damn well you would and should be fired for how few fucks you give about anything but porn. You, who should not be within 1,000 miles of any sort of power whatsoever. You are the fucking poster boy for why people like me hate the government.

I work very hard. I worked my way through college. I am a real self made man.

uziq wrote:

jay should really repay his pell grant/GI bill money now that he’s set up in life.

i think it’s fucking scandalous that we, who paid for our own education and who relied upon the good fiscal prudence of our selves or family, have to be lectured to by the charity case who has had his hand out like Oliver Twist since K12.

I don't have a problem with someone taking handouts or scamming the government somehow. Our government waste so much money on tax breaks for the rich and wars overseas that I can't get angry at something like a kid scamming their school for a free or reduced lunch.

It's just noxious when someone pretends their shit doesn't stink or somehow their withdrawal from the system was noble and earned like Jay does.

uziq wrote:

jay should really repay his pell grant/GI bill money now that he’s set up in life.

i think it’s fucking scandalous that we, who paid for our own education and who relied upon the good fiscal prudence of our selves or family, have to be lectured to by the charity case who has had his hand out like Oliver Twist since K12.

I'm on track to pay $140,000 in taxes this year.

Larssen wrote:

I just don't understand how you can form a community much less a country if you honestly can't give a fuck about the welfare and prosperity of your people. Health, social security, education, infrastructure, none of it matters. The concept of citizenship and nationhood seems quite meaningless at that point. Are you sure you don't want to just live in a corporatocracy jay, where we can all fight for our 'rightful place' in society

If i lived in a country like Canada, that actually cared about efficient governance, I'd be more likely to be less extreme in my opinions. As it is, this worldview is the starting point because everything my government does is inefficient, corrupt and incompetent. America has the top economy in the world in spite of it's absolute trash politicians and civil servants, not because of them, and yet they are constantly trying to expand their power and influence. Our governments, state and federal, are nearly universally loathed.

Last edited by Jay (2020-06-16 13:37:32)

Jay, what about supporting positive change? Or is it après moi le déluge? That's a very unhealthy amount of cynicism there. Are you sure you want your kids to grow up in the USA

Larssen wrote:

Jay, what about supporting positive change? Or is it après moi le déluge? That's a very unhealthy amount of cynicism there. Are you sure you want your kids to grow up in the USA

You're asking the guy that volunteered to put his life at risk to defend his country why he is disillusioned about the state of his country? When Donald Trump is his president and Joe Biden is the alternative? When you've been exposed to American bureacracy and have seen the incompetence you become cynical. It's earned cynicism. This country is simply too large and too diverse to effectively manage with a centralized government. More power should be divested to the states.

You made the same stupid mistake when you formed the EU and tried to consolidate power at that level.

Last edited by Jay (2020-06-16 13:54:08)

I wouldn't blame your cynicism or the failure of the U.S. to balance a federal budget. You might just be rotten and broken inside already.

I am an optimist.

jay joined the military because he was aimless and going nowhere in life. living at home, if i recall, with some dud IT skills. his life would have been very different if the military didn't scoop him up and get him out of the deadbeat blue-collar sinkhole he was in.

'risked life to serve my country'. lol.

my little cousin is an officer in the royal marines. we were very close growing up. he is without question the toughest person i know. unimaginably tough. i am in awe of the levels of physical grit and determination he put in to get there. he was my pudgy kid cousin and now he's half a foot taller than me and trains in the fucking arctic circle with special forces.

want to know how often he mentions he's an RM in real-life and uses it in discussions? z e r o