So you're in favour of redistributing other people's wealth, your own not so much.uziq wrote:
i'm in favour of lower inequality in society, yes, which means adjusting income tax bands not surrendering all of your personal possessions and becoming a Jain.
it's not complicated or controversial. the UK is the most unequal society in western europe.
i would happily pay more taxes. what would be the point of me, one individual, giving away all of my wealth whilst the current tax system diverts wealth upwards?Dilbert_X wrote:
So you're in favour of redistributing other people's wealth, your own not so much.uziq wrote:
i'm in favour of lower inequality in society, yes, which means adjusting income tax bands not surrendering all of your personal possessions and becoming a Jain.
it's not complicated or controversial. the UK is the most unequal society in western europe.
Thanks for the clarification.
He's in favor of redistributing his own, he just hasn't got any. His tune will likely change after the first mortgage payment.Dilbert_X wrote:
So you're in favour of redistributing other people's wealth, your own not so much.uziq wrote:
i'm in favour of lower inequality in society, yes, which means adjusting income tax bands not surrendering all of your personal possessions and becoming a Jain.
it's not complicated or controversial. the UK is the most unequal society in western europe.
Thanks for the clarification.
The second wagga is silent.uziq wrote:
i would happily pay more taxes. what would be the point of me, one individual, giving away all of my wealth whilst the current tax system diverts wealth upwards?
don't be so fucking inane.
we get it, you moved out of the UK because you didn't like paying taxes into a welfare state that might benefit non-whites. you can live out your colonial fantasies at your parents' stucco bungalow in wagga wagga all you like.
Did you read the articles on National Review regarding the confederate flags and monuments. Thoughts?Jay wrote:
He's in favor of redistributing his own, he just hasn't got any. His tune will likely change after the first mortgage payment.Dilbert_X wrote:
So you're in favour of redistributing other people's wealth, your own not so much.uziq wrote:
i'm in favour of lower inequality in society, yes, which means adjusting income tax bands not surrendering all of your personal possessions and becoming a Jain.
it's not complicated or controversial. the UK is the most unequal society in western europe.
Thanks for the clarification.
No. link?SuperJail Warden wrote:
Did you read the articles on National Review regarding the confederate flags and monuments. Thoughts?Jay wrote:
He's in favor of redistributing his own, he just hasn't got any. His tune will likely change after the first mortgage payment.Dilbert_X wrote:
So you're in favour of redistributing other people's wealth, your own not so much.
Thanks for the clarification.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/ … ary-bases/Jay wrote:
No. link?SuperJail Warden wrote:
Did you read the articles on National Review regarding the confederate flags and monuments. Thoughts?Jay wrote:
He's in favor of redistributing his own, he just hasn't got any. His tune will likely change after the first mortgage payment.
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Quite uneven. He spends most of his time trying to rehabilitate Washington and Jefferson (rightfully), and then he tacks on a few paragraphs about renaming the southern military bases.SuperJail Warden wrote:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/ … ary-bases/Jay wrote:
No. link?SuperJail Warden wrote:
Did you read the articles on National Review regarding the confederate flags and monuments. Thoughts?
Wow, a lot to turn unpack there. I think statues are certainly celebrations of a figure rather than acknowledgment of their historical significance. It is cliched to bring up but I haven't heard a good retort to "the Germans don't have statues to Hitler". Hitler was definitely important to German history. Much more important to German history than Lee is to our own. And I think the people living in areas that host the statues have a right to determine what they want celebrated in their communities.Jay wrote:
Quite uneven. He spends most of his time trying to rehabilitate Washington and Jefferson (rightfully), and then he tacks on a few paragraphs about renaming the southern military bases.
The fundamental question is this: what is a statue? Is it a celebration of the individual, or is it an acknowledgement that the person is an important, if probably flawed, historical figure? I lean towards the latter. I think expecting perfection from anyone, especially when you pull them out of their place in history and judge them against whatever the current moral climate is, rather than their own, is unfair to them. If the person can be judged negatively in the current climate, then do so. Teach about their flaws if they outweigh their positives. It doesn't change the fact that they are historically important. Removing Columbus' statue doesn't remove him from the history books. Nor does removing Robert E. Lee's statue.
As far as the flag, I've already discussed it previously. I was raised with it visible in my life every day, and I was taught that it was a symbol of rebellion, not racism. Others have different opinions. I will say that the harder liberals push on the subject, the more southerners use it as a fuck you gesture akin to coal rolling.
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probably a punk or metal thing. homoerotic teenagers love naughty imagery.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Wow, a lot to turn unpack there. I think statues are certainly celebrations of a figure rather than acknowledgment of their historical significance. It is cliched to bring up but I haven't heard a good retort to "the Germans don't have statues to Hitler". Hitler was definitely important to German history. Much more important to German history than Lee is to our own. And I think the people living in areas that host the statues have a right to determine what they want celebrated in their communities.Jay wrote:
Quite uneven. He spends most of his time trying to rehabilitate Washington and Jefferson (rightfully), and then he tacks on a few paragraphs about renaming the southern military bases.
The fundamental question is this: what is a statue? Is it a celebration of the individual, or is it an acknowledgement that the person is an important, if probably flawed, historical figure? I lean towards the latter. I think expecting perfection from anyone, especially when you pull them out of their place in history and judge them against whatever the current moral climate is, rather than their own, is unfair to them. If the person can be judged negatively in the current climate, then do so. Teach about their flaws if they outweigh their positives. It doesn't change the fact that they are historically important. Removing Columbus' statue doesn't remove him from the history books. Nor does removing Robert E. Lee's statue.
As far as the flag, I've already discussed it previously. I was raised with it visible in my life every day, and I was taught that it was a symbol of rebellion, not racism. Others have different opinions. I will say that the harder liberals push on the subject, the more southerners use it as a fuck you gesture akin to coal rolling.
Also the highlighted part, are you saying your family flew Confederate flags? In NY? Descendants of Swedish immigrants?
My dad got a confederate flag tattoo on his forearm while he was stationed at Fort Bragg. He also was a civil war reenactor, reenacting as a confederate soldier. The second gun I ever shot was a Civil War era musket.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Wow, a lot to turn unpack there. I think statues are certainly celebrations of a figure rather than acknowledgment of their historical significance. It is cliched to bring up but I haven't heard a good retort to "the Germans don't have statues to Hitler". Hitler was definitely important to German history. Much more important to German history than Lee is to our own. And I think the people living in areas that host the statues have a right to determine what they want celebrated in their communities.Jay wrote:
Quite uneven. He spends most of his time trying to rehabilitate Washington and Jefferson (rightfully), and then he tacks on a few paragraphs about renaming the southern military bases.SuperJail Warden wrote:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/confederate-symbols-debate-take-down-flags-rename-military-bases/
The fundamental question is this: what is a statue? Is it a celebration of the individual, or is it an acknowledgement that the person is an important, if probably flawed, historical figure? I lean towards the latter. I think expecting perfection from anyone, especially when you pull them out of their place in history and judge them against whatever the current moral climate is, rather than their own, is unfair to them. If the person can be judged negatively in the current climate, then do so. Teach about their flaws if they outweigh their positives. It doesn't change the fact that they are historically important. Removing Columbus' statue doesn't remove him from the history books. Nor does removing Robert E. Lee's statue.
As far as the flag, I've already discussed it previously. I was raised with it visible in my life every day, and I was taught that it was a symbol of rebellion, not racism. Others have different opinions. I will say that the harder liberals push on the subject, the more southerners use it as a fuck you gesture akin to coal rolling.
Also the highlighted part, are you saying your family flew Confederate flags? In NY? Descendants of Swedish immigrants?
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Well you already explained that your dad is a complete fuck face so I shouldn't be surprised.Jay wrote:
My dad got a confederate flag tattoo on his forearm while he was stationed at Fort Bragg. He also was a civil war reenactor, reenacting as a confederate soldier.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Wow, a lot to turn unpack there. I think statues are certainly celebrations of a figure rather than acknowledgment of their historical significance. It is cliched to bring up but I haven't heard a good retort to "the Germans don't have statues to Hitler". Hitler was definitely important to German history. Much more important to German history than Lee is to our own. And I think the people living in areas that host the statues have a right to determine what they want celebrated in their communities.Jay wrote:
Quite uneven. He spends most of his time trying to rehabilitate Washington and Jefferson (rightfully), and then he tacks on a few paragraphs about renaming the southern military bases.
The fundamental question is this: what is a statue? Is it a celebration of the individual, or is it an acknowledgement that the person is an important, if probably flawed, historical figure? I lean towards the latter. I think expecting perfection from anyone, especially when you pull them out of their place in history and judge them against whatever the current moral climate is, rather than their own, is unfair to them. If the person can be judged negatively in the current climate, then do so. Teach about their flaws if they outweigh their positives. It doesn't change the fact that they are historically important. Removing Columbus' statue doesn't remove him from the history books. Nor does removing Robert E. Lee's statue.
As far as the flag, I've already discussed it previously. I was raised with it visible in my life every day, and I was taught that it was a symbol of rebellion, not racism. Others have different opinions. I will say that the harder liberals push on the subject, the more southerners use it as a fuck you gesture akin to coal rolling.
Also the highlighted part, are you saying your family flew Confederate flags? In NY? Descendants of Swedish immigrants?
Yeah? He's a civil war buff. He wrote published articles in civil war magazines. He used to wargame with painted civil war figurines. Total nerd about all that stuff. He took me to Gettysburg and Antietam as a kid. Hell, I remember him wasting two years of his life trying to get the 52nd New York Infantry Regiment off the ground as a reenactor regiment because it was a German-American regiment and he wanted to cosplay as a 19th century German immigrant soldier. It's all harmless stuff.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Well you already explained that your dad is a complete fuck face so I shouldn't be surprised.Jay wrote:
My dad got a confederate flag tattoo on his forearm while he was stationed at Fort Bragg. He also was a civil war reenactor, reenacting as a confederate soldier.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Wow, a lot to turn unpack there. I think statues are certainly celebrations of a figure rather than acknowledgment of their historical significance. It is cliched to bring up but I haven't heard a good retort to "the Germans don't have statues to Hitler". Hitler was definitely important to German history. Much more important to German history than Lee is to our own. And I think the people living in areas that host the statues have a right to determine what they want celebrated in their communities.
Also the highlighted part, are you saying your family flew Confederate flags? In NY? Descendants of Swedish immigrants?
Picking the side of the Confederacy when you are a New Yorker is a deliberate sign. Same with the people flying Confederate flags in Union states. Heritage my ass.Jay wrote:
Yeah? He's a civil war buff. He wrote published articles in civil war magazines. He used to wargame with painted civil war figurines. Total nerd about all that stuff. He took me to Gettysburg and Antietam as a kid. Hell, I remember him wasting two years of his life trying to get the 52nd New York Infantry Regiment off the ground as a reenactor regiment because it was a German-American regiment and he wanted to cosplay as a 19th century German immigrant soldier. It's all harmless stuff.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Well you already explained that your dad is a complete fuck face so I shouldn't be surprised.Jay wrote:
My dad got a confederate flag tattoo on his forearm while he was stationed at Fort Bragg. He also was a civil war reenactor, reenacting as a confederate soldier.
Well, when you grow up surrounded by history books, and have stumped every history teacher/professor you've had with questions deeper than they have the ability to answer, sometimes you think you could do a better job than them, yes.uziq wrote:
haha civil war magazines. no wonder you fancied yourself as a historian late in life. those things are for amateurs and dilettantes. it’s the history equivalent of painting warhammer.
