Jay
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Well, they probably get targeted because they've adopted American ghetto culture, and since I can't breathe certainly fits within American ghetto culture, it makes sense that it was transported as well.
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Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Jay wrote:

i never got into rap or cuntry
You are a New Yorker. You better not like country music.
I was stationed down south for years though! Johnny Cash is about as deep as I go in country.
There are a few Johnny Cash songs that are good.
https://youtu.be/ykNDDUitMWE

I forgot all about him. He is not what I think of when I hear "country music". I think of
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Country music is such a homosexual genre. Cowboy aesthetic should have died with Broke back Mountain.
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Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Jay wrote:

i never got into rap or cuntry
You are a New Yorker. You better not like country music.
I was stationed down south for years though! Johnny Cash is about as deep as I go in country.
john prine was very good (rip, thanks covid). funny and witty writing. good songs. doesn’t sound too dissimilar from Dylan sometimes.
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uziq wrote:

Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:


You are a New Yorker. You better not like country music.
I was stationed down south for years though! Johnny Cash is about as deep as I go in country.
john prine was very good (rip, thanks covid). funny and witty writing. good songs. doesn’t sound too dissimilar from Dylan sometimes.
New York Times sent an alert to my phone today with the words "Bob Dylan thinks about the protests" I straight up thought he died for a second.
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Outlaw country is good. Sturgill Simpson is a contemporary country artist getting a lot of praise from the Fantano/Pitchfork crowd. I own a record of his. Good stuff
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i never really got into him so much to be honest with you.
Jay
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uziq wrote:

Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:


You are a New Yorker. You better not like country music.
I was stationed down south for years though! Johnny Cash is about as deep as I go in country.
john prine was very good (rip, thanks covid). funny and witty writing. good songs. doesn’t sound too dissimilar from Dylan sometimes.
Man, Bob Dylan can write a song, but he's got one of the worst singing voices. Basically every cover is better than the original with him.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
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so what is your problem with people identifying with ‘i can’t breathe’ when their own racial groups are profiled and targeted by the police wherever they are? it seems like a straightforward analogy to me. meanwhile you listen to black rappers from compton and see no incongruity. lol ok. you’re a strange case.
I'm about the most white European white guy you're going to find. I can enjoy and appreciate some rap music, figure out what they're actually talking about, and then go about the rest of my day as if nothing happened. My existence is completely alien to theirs.

I've made my case wrt BLM. If it's not clear by now that's on you.
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dylan is very nasally but john prine is the real authentic deal. seems a lot of male country singers affect that sort of singing register.

if you like baritone, check out lee hazlewood. that guy fucked.
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save the children


This song is probably only relevant to the 1970's black experience though.
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

save the children

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8-7JDRr9wo
This song is probably only relevant to the 1970's black experience though.
I prefer something a little faster

Song is only relevant to the New York experience

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taiwan #1
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Chinese Larssen
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Yes I'll surely walk around with a gun telling protesters to stfu, of course. Please.

You know what the right strategy is? Placate by making some generalised statements on the existence of racism, perhaps using a topic that is locally relevant. Other than that, ignore the protestors and perhaps voice some mild disapproval if corona guidelines are ignored. The protests here aren't nearly of the same magnitude or intensity as in the US so they don't warrant more attention than brief commentary from afar.
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way to reinforce the black lives matter narrative lmao. downplaying police brutality and killings in your own country because 'it's just a few'.
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Please paste that graph on police caused deaths by country to make my point for me again, thanks. Besides I've been abundantly clear in my position on BLM slogans/issues exported to Europe. I'm not going to infinitely repeat myself or dissect those points for you to get them.

What I'm telling you above is the cold hard truth here. Will you bend over backwards whenever there's a small village worth of people up in arms?
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Arab Lives Matter
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in the UK we use the term BAME, which includes arabs and middle-eastern people. larssen probably wants to avoid that because he likes rhetorically sectioning off police brutality and discrimination against 18 year old moroccans and tunisians and nigerians into separate things. europe is true paradise!
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uziq wrote:

in the UK we use the term BAME, which includes arabs and middle-eastern people. larssen probably wants to avoid that because he likes rhetorically sectioning off police brutality and discrimination against 18 year old moroccans and tunisians and nigerians into separate things. europe is true paradise!
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Outside of France and the UK the amount of black people in Europe is really not that many. The Netherlands has some inhabitants from Suriname. I believe in Brussels there's about 15k black people or so? There's a huge multitude of that who are north african/arab descent.

You're absolutely ignorant if you want to comment on the existence of racial politics and policing in countries whose languages you don't speak, whose societies you've never taken an interest in, whose politics you don't follow and whose legal remits and conduct of police officers you know least of all. It's rather aggravating honestly. Your understanding stops at a wikipedia article on the congo and maybe some hill in flanders on which some english people  died a hundred years ago. This is really, purely british arrogance I'm seeing

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king leopold II was the biggest slave owner in history. 15 million africans died for his private weal. he ran the biggest plantation in the history of mankind, and it was all for him. that shit is barely taught in belgian schools. hence why BLM protestors targeted his statue in brussels.

looks like people in belgium have some legitimate complaints, which you have dismissed and downplayed throughout this entire thread.

why are you interested in listening to and sympathising with a black rapper from compton? but won't listen to people in your own country? odd that. it's almost like you don't like criticism of your own society, and entertain little vicarious fantasies of 'crips and bloods' in compton. like a white kid on a safari or something.
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Is there anything you know about social issues in Belgium beyond what I've been spoonfeeding you? If we're talking musical artists anyway how about you take an interest in Stromae. He talks about racism too. You said your french was fine, go ahead.
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https://www.justiceinitiative.org/voice … -profiling

Ever since the Forest protests, the police oversight body, Comité P, has investigated racism and discrimination in both internal and external police operations and expressed serious concerns in different reports (as recently as 2015). Yet while collecting data is often the important first step to determine whether the problem of racial profiling exists in a police unit, the next step—getting rid of it—is just as critical. Aside from calls for increased diversity within the police, there has been no policy response to the police targeting of minority communities.

Today, the relationship between police and minority communities has only deteriorated with the introduction of counterterrorism policies that criminalize and target many of the same ethnic minorities—now, also for being Muslim—and the areas where they live.

Some high-profile victims have testified in Belgian media and public debates about the trauma, humiliation, and feeling of being unsafe in their own neighborhood after guns were put to their heads on their way home or out to lunch. In many cases, police or soldiers told them they “looked suspicious.” At the same time, ordinary police checks of minority youth and police actions in the areas where ethnic minorities live continue to lead to violent clashes.

In a new report [link in French], Amnesty International Flanders and partners interviewed over 48 police officers and officials about discriminatory practices during policing and identity checks. The report showed that half of the officers interviewed believe ethnic profiling is happening, and they often lack the tools to avoid and end it.
i don't care about belgium. in the UK our general view is that it's a fake and stupid country. but you pretending your shit doesn't stink, and that the protests are 'minor', is funny. typical white person stuff.

if you had 1/100th as much passion and enthusiasm for the experience of black or arab people in belgium as you do for kendrick lamar, maybe you'd be some use and not just a giant stereotype.

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