why the fuck are they all wearing combat camo though lmao. I'm seeing some mismatched camo as well, cool.
so they're like oil-rig workers? ok cool.RTHKI wrote:
a coworker is in the national guard, he got called overseas for many months. he also was put on standby yesterday.
one weekend a month, 2 weeks a year, and a chance to go to a country we bombed.
https://protesttips.carrd.co/#
hong kong protestors are exporting their protest kits and strategies. pretty cool.
hong kong protestors are exporting their protest kits and strategies. pretty cool.
Saw a video of people using their technique of putting out tear gas grenades with cones, was pretty cool.
I do wonder what they expect to gain from this sort of protest-activism - don't get me wrong, in the case of the US I see the point clearly and the website is no doubt helpful, but in the case of HK things are more complicated. Apart from being a mild thorn in the side of the CCP, the effectiveness of this sort of resistance is difficult to assess. As a complement to mass peaceful protests and strikes, like the 2 million+ marches we saw, it works in a way by dominating the news cycle and amplifying the protest voice, keeping authorities scrambling. But the very low intensity resistance in itself achieves little beyond that. The umbrellas, the makeshift bows and catapults, the fireworks, the flimsy blockades - all cute and attention grabbing but against riot gear and APCs outfitted with water cannons they invariably lose.
As we have seen, a desired stalemate and CCP concession to protestors' demands was not achieved. Now the pandemic has been used to tighten the grip further. They're not exactly getting anywhere.
As we have seen, a desired stalemate and CCP concession to protestors' demands was not achieved. Now the pandemic has been used to tighten the grip further. They're not exactly getting anywhere.
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i agree. what's even the point of standing in front of a tank? you get mulched into meat seed.
If the whole exercise is to simply appear as a 'symbol of resistance' for future generations or others, I consider that a definite loss in the near-medium term. You don't win by ending up like tank man.
Didn't we spend a few pages in another thread going over this very question?Larssen wrote:
I do wonder what they expect to gain from this sort of protest-activism - don't get me wrong, in the case of the US I see the point clearly and the website is no doubt helpful, but in the case of HK things are more complicated. Apart from being a mild thorn in the side of the CCP, the effectiveness of this sort of resistance is difficult to assess. As a complement to mass peaceful protests and strikes, like the 2 million+ marches we saw, it works in a way by dominating the news cycle and amplifying the protest voice, keeping authorities scrambling. But the very low intensity resistance in itself achieves little beyond that. The umbrellas, the makeshift bows and catapults, the fireworks, the flimsy blockades - all cute and attention grabbing but against riot gear and APCs outfitted with water cannons they invariably lose.
As we have seen, a desired stalemate and CCP concession to protestors' demands was not achieved. Now the pandemic has been used to tighten the grip further. They're not exactly getting anywhere.
I vaguely remember it sidetracking into accusations of sinophilism at my address.
we're in a situation in which a black man being asphyxiated in america, not at all exceptional and sadly no great sign of change, has mobilised hundreds of thousands of people in london, paris and amsterdam. i'm willing to accord symbolic gestures a life of their own even against overwhelming odds.
My comments were more relevant to the HK protests than those in the west. The chances of (some) succes in the US, also considering that the cause is of a completely different nature, are much greater.
i think it's fairly clear that the HK protestors' only hope is symbolic, and in appealing to the west and other governments to come together to exert real pressure on china (such as that is even possible, in-itself). which is precisely what seems to be happening now, as the latest round of legislations draw consternation from the UK and our allies. there is talk of banding together to censor china, cutting ties with the (already toxic) 5G-huawei links, etc. so what does a gangly student dressed in a wet-suit with goggles and an umbrella achieve in HK? it turns out quite a lot. er, possibly.
a lot of this is down to communications and media. the same protests have been going on for just as long in france, and non-french media outlets don't really give a shit. that situation probably will not change any time soon, i'll grant you that.
a lot of this is down to communications and media. the same protests have been going on for just as long in france, and non-french media outlets don't really give a shit. that situation probably will not change any time soon, i'll grant you that.
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SuperJail Warden wrote:
National Guard at the Lincoln Memorial. There are now thousands of National Guard in D.C.
Keke Palmer convinces National Guard to take a knee, join Black Lives Matter protest
Guardsmen Fall In With Militant Black Terror Group (/s)
https://www.herald.ng/keke-palmer-natio … e-protest/
I wondered at this, and still am. How many in the National Guard are willing to fire on their home towns?
soldiers rarely ever fire on their own towns. that's why china trucked in lots of mean-faced poor conscripts from the provinces who were already full of contempt and bitterness, if not a little intimidated, by hong kong.
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Wasn't this the origin story for Doom Guy? Officer orders him to fire on civilians, so he breaks the officer's face and gets sent to a prison colony on Mars.
Soldiers always wear camouflage uniforms unless it is a dress uniform or pt uniform.Larssen wrote:
why the fuck are they all wearing combat camo though lmao. I'm seeing some mismatched camo as well, cool.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
the logic of military uniforms is pretty funny, when you think about it. they wear camouflage in order to stand out, not blend in; to make them as part of a separate, and somewhat ceremonial caste, apart from 'civvy street'. you always see soldiers in the UK waiting on train platforms or whatever in full camo. it says 'i am here'.
In most countries gendarmerie-like forces have their own uniforms more akin to police gear than military camo.
It has been that way forever and is part and parcel of militaries as organisations.uziq wrote:
uziq
the logic of military uniforms is pretty funny, when you think about it. they wear camouflage in order to stand out, not blend in; to make them as part of a separate, and somewhat ceremonial caste, apart from 'civvy street'. you always see soldiers in the UK waiting on train platforms or whatever in full camo. it says 'i am here'.
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yes, of course, i'm just saying it's a funny little paradoxical piece of symbolism.
Better than the dress of old though. You could see the redcoats and such coming from miles away
we had to give them a fighting chance, lad.