Yes, its not until they attend racism classes in primary school that they learn racism.uziq wrote:
racism is not innate. have you ever seen children at a kindergarten? they don't separate into races or tribes.
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it's almost as if this has been an object of scientific enquiry for the better part of a century.
yes, children do interiorise cultural prejudices and social attitudes, from a very young age. they do exist in a society with its own media/culture/rituals of socialization. nobody is 'born' racist. children at kindergarten and pre-school play together regardless.
yes, children do interiorise cultural prejudices and social attitudes, from a very young age. they do exist in a society with its own media/culture/rituals of socialization. nobody is 'born' racist. children at kindergarten and pre-school play together regardless.
How is it that every culture on earth is racist then?
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christ ... do you repeat yourself like this with your mother every evening when she's feeding you your pre-mashed carrots and greens?
not every culture on earth is racist? and, even if there was some specious, pseudo-scientific appeal to 'evolutionary biology' and 'the tribal mind' ... there's nothing to say that we are deterministically so, is there? every achievement of modern civilization is 'against nature', if you want to adopt that reactionary (and scientifically discredited) view. cities, democratic societies, international cooperation – all quite impossible according to 'tribal instinct'. and yet here we are, overcoming the devils of our nature.
funny isn't it?
not every culture on earth is racist? and, even if there was some specious, pseudo-scientific appeal to 'evolutionary biology' and 'the tribal mind' ... there's nothing to say that we are deterministically so, is there? every achievement of modern civilization is 'against nature', if you want to adopt that reactionary (and scientifically discredited) view. cities, democratic societies, international cooperation – all quite impossible according to 'tribal instinct'. and yet here we are, overcoming the devils of our nature.
funny isn't it?
I know you're trying to be sarcastic, but this really does conclude the argument. "Racism is a learned behavior," there.Dilbert_X wrote:
Yes, its not until they attend racism classes in primary school that they learn racism.uziq wrote:
racism is not innate. have you ever seen children at a kindergarten? they don't separate into races or tribes.
Kids don't do all their learning in school. Friends, family, community: social interactions teach.
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There's actually a body cam video of the whole thing. Cops standing around laughing while the kid is on the ground with his brain melting from a shot of pure Special K. I am surprised these cops were charged with anything.A Colorado grand jury issued criminal charges against three police officers and two paramedics in the 2019 death of Elijah McClain, a young Black man who had been walking home when he was stopped by the police, put into a chokehold and injected with a powerful anesthetic, the attorney general of Colorado announced on Wednesday.
Attorney General Phil Weiser, who had been named as a special prosecutor in the case, announced the 32-count indictment almost exactly two years to the day after Mr. McClain’s death.
The three police officers and two paramedics involved in Mr. McClain’s death in Aurora, Colo., just east of Denver, will each face one charge of manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide, Mr. Weiser said. The defendants also face a variety of assault charges.
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The death of Mr. McClain, a 23-year-old Black man whom friends and family described as a gentle person who loved animals and taught himself to play the violin, touched off protests across Denver and a flurry of investigations, lawsuits and demands for policing reforms.
Mr. McClain had been walking home from a convenience store when he was stopped by three Aurora police officers responding to a 911 call about a suspicious person. The officers tackled Mr. McClain and put him in a type of chokehold that restricts blood to the brain. Paramedics arriving at the scene then injected Mr. McClain with ketamine, a rapid-acting anesthetic commonly used during surgical procedures in both animals and humans.
Mr. McClain was taken unconscious to the hospital and never recovered. He was taken off life support and died on Aug. 30, 2019.
Mr. McClain was unarmed and had not been suspected of committing any crime. As officers used force to subdue him, Mr. McClain repeatedly apologized to the officers and said he could not breathe: “I can’t breathe, please!” he said at one point.
If they are tried in Aurora or Centennial there is a minimal chance they are convicted. The ONLY reason these scum were charged is because of public pressure.
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The cruelly ironic thing is that someone called the police on the kid for wearing a mask outside when he went to the store. The store owner wasn't bothered by it because she knew that the kid was polite and a little autistic. This was all before COVID. Kid died for doing something we beg people to do now. I wonder how that makes his loved ones feel?unnamednewbie13 wrote:
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"Were any weapons involved or mentioned?"
"No."
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"I have a right to stop you because you're being suspicious."
"No."
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"I have a right to stop you because you're being suspicious."
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remember, only anarchists and lesbian radicals want to reform the police.
Oh wow I found an outlier example of a cat and rat who get along, clearly cats hunting rats is not innate behaviour.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
I know you're trying to be sarcastic, but this really does conclude the argument. "Racism is a learned behavior," there.
Kids don't do all their learning in school. Friends, family, community: social interactions teach.
Racism is innate behaviour when part of a group.
- People like to be part of a group
- People like their group to do better than other groups
This is normal human behaviour.
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but don't listen to the black schoolteacher with a degree in educational psychology – one of the only books by a black caribbean woman to be published in 20th century britain. listen to dilbert's analogies with ... cats. he's an expert. he knows lots and lots.In 1945, 21-year-old Beryl Answick graduated with a first class diploma from the teacher training college in Georgetown, capital of what was then British Guiana. Guyanese education at the time was rigid and the (tamarind) rod much in evidence: ‘Children ... were expected to know certain facts, the relevance of which did not always matter,’ she remembered. Chafing at these conventions, Answick (who became Beryl Gilroy on her marriage in 1954) moved to London in 1951 to study educational psychology at the University of London. She was one of very few teachers from the Caribbean in England in the 1950s; another was her friend E.R. Braithwaite, the author of To Sir, with Love (1959), a catalyst for her own later self-reckoning in Black Teacher. When she began to look for a teaching post, Gilroy was frustrated at every turn, the target of a widespread suspicion founded in an ignorance that could be described as folkloric were the baiting about cannibalism and washing not so vicious. In her memoir she presents herself both as object and subject of her story. Both perspectives offer first-hand testimony of wrongs done and not dusted.
First published in 1976, Black Teacher records the bewildering self-consciousness inflicted on Gilroy by British society: ‘My life at school was clouded by an obsessive interest in my “blackness”. It seemed that no one could forget it ... It was difficult, at times, not to become the traditional black with the traditional chip on the shoulder ... there was, for instance, the usually unspoken implication that there was something sinister about “black hands”.’ She ‘began looking at my hands, almost as if I were seeing them for the first time ... I was nervous about picking things up. I was especially nervous when it came to buttoning up the children’s coats.’ Rather than endure the staffroom, she took refuge in her classroom at lunchtime.
Children, she writes, ‘are not born with race and colour prejudice. They absorb it from the adults around them.’ Gilroy countered the bigotry, or at times the simple stupidity, of colleagues, parents and the children who parroted what they heard, with a storyteller’s verve. When asked by one of her co-workers what ‘natives’ do when they have their ‘monthlies’, she replied: ‘Well, Sue, we swim! We jump into the nearest river and swim and swim for miles. Some of us swim for three days and some for four, but that’s what we do.’ Her account of London in the period is as sharp as anything by Barbara Comyns or Muriel Spark.
https://www.allenandunwin.com/browse/bo … 0571367733
amazingly, her son, paul gilroy, gave the 2019 holberg lecture in which he warned:
LOL sound familiar?docile nihilism, resignation and complacent ethnic absolutism reign unchallenged while the seductions of the alt right – to which they are kin – present a growing danger.
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Thats great and all but doesn't explain why the world isn't as she thinks it should be.uziq wrote:
but don't listen to the black schoolteacher with a degree in educational psychology – one of the only books by a black caribbean woman to be published in 20th century britain. listen to dilbert's analogies with ... cats. he's an expert. he knows lots and lots.In 1945, 21-year-old Beryl Answick graduated with a first class diploma from the teacher training college in Georgetown, capital of what was then British Guiana. Guyanese education at the time was rigid and the (tamarind) rod much in evidence: ‘Children ... were expected to know certain facts, the relevance of which did not always matter,’ she remembered. Chafing at these conventions, Answick (who became Beryl Gilroy on her marriage in 1954) moved to London in 1951 to study educational psychology at the University of London. She was one of very few teachers from the Caribbean in England in the 1950s; another was her friend E.R. Braithwaite, the author of To Sir, with Love (1959), a catalyst for her own later self-reckoning in Black Teacher. When she began to look for a teaching post, Gilroy was frustrated at every turn, the target of a widespread suspicion founded in an ignorance that could be described as folkloric were the baiting about cannibalism and washing not so vicious. In her memoir she presents herself both as object and subject of her story. Both perspectives offer first-hand testimony of wrongs done and not dusted.
First published in 1976, Black Teacher records the bewildering self-consciousness inflicted on Gilroy by British society: ‘My life at school was clouded by an obsessive interest in my “blackness”. It seemed that no one could forget it ... It was difficult, at times, not to become the traditional black with the traditional chip on the shoulder ... there was, for instance, the usually unspoken implication that there was something sinister about “black hands”.’ She ‘began looking at my hands, almost as if I were seeing them for the first time ... I was nervous about picking things up. I was especially nervous when it came to buttoning up the children’s coats.’ Rather than endure the staffroom, she took refuge in her classroom at lunchtime.
Children, she writes, ‘are not born with race and colour prejudice. They absorb it from the adults around them.’ Gilroy countered the bigotry, or at times the simple stupidity, of colleagues, parents and the children who parroted what they heard, with a storyteller’s verve. When asked by one of her co-workers what ‘natives’ do when they have their ‘monthlies’, she replied: ‘Well, Sue, we swim! We jump into the nearest river and swim and swim for miles. Some of us swim for three days and some for four, but that’s what we do.’ Her account of London in the period is as sharp as anything by Barbara Comyns or Muriel Spark.
https://www.allenandunwin.com/browse/bo … 0571367733
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I can understand antipathy between groups when there are basic communication deficits or religious differences. Once those are removed there isn't much else that justifies bigotry. Southern white protestants hating on southern black protestants then and now is bizarre. They have more in common with each other than anyone else.
Why do black people hate black people? How is this not white people's fault?
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see comments above about 'docile nihilism and complacency'.Dilbert_X wrote:
Thats great and all but doesn't explain why the world isn't as she thinks it should be.uziq wrote:
but don't listen to the black schoolteacher with a degree in educational psychology – one of the only books by a black caribbean woman to be published in 20th century britain. listen to dilbert's analogies with ... cats. he's an expert. he knows lots and lots.In 1945, 21-year-old Beryl Answick graduated with a first class diploma from the teacher training college in Georgetown, capital of what was then British Guiana. Guyanese education at the time was rigid and the (tamarind) rod much in evidence: ‘Children ... were expected to know certain facts, the relevance of which did not always matter,’ she remembered. Chafing at these conventions, Answick (who became Beryl Gilroy on her marriage in 1954) moved to London in 1951 to study educational psychology at the University of London. She was one of very few teachers from the Caribbean in England in the 1950s; another was her friend E.R. Braithwaite, the author of To Sir, with Love (1959), a catalyst for her own later self-reckoning in Black Teacher. When she began to look for a teaching post, Gilroy was frustrated at every turn, the target of a widespread suspicion founded in an ignorance that could be described as folkloric were the baiting about cannibalism and washing not so vicious. In her memoir she presents herself both as object and subject of her story. Both perspectives offer first-hand testimony of wrongs done and not dusted.
First published in 1976, Black Teacher records the bewildering self-consciousness inflicted on Gilroy by British society: ‘My life at school was clouded by an obsessive interest in my “blackness”. It seemed that no one could forget it ... It was difficult, at times, not to become the traditional black with the traditional chip on the shoulder ... there was, for instance, the usually unspoken implication that there was something sinister about “black hands”.’ She ‘began looking at my hands, almost as if I were seeing them for the first time ... I was nervous about picking things up. I was especially nervous when it came to buttoning up the children’s coats.’ Rather than endure the staffroom, she took refuge in her classroom at lunchtime.
Children, she writes, ‘are not born with race and colour prejudice. They absorb it from the adults around them.’ Gilroy countered the bigotry, or at times the simple stupidity, of colleagues, parents and the children who parroted what they heard, with a storyteller’s verve. When asked by one of her co-workers what ‘natives’ do when they have their ‘monthlies’, she replied: ‘Well, Sue, we swim! We jump into the nearest river and swim and swim for miles. Some of us swim for three days and some for four, but that’s what we do.’ Her account of London in the period is as sharp as anything by Barbara Comyns or Muriel Spark.
https://www.allenandunwin.com/browse/bo … 0571367733
it's for younger generations to change the world and adopt new attitudes. we have done it with any number of other things.
i take it you don't have a problem with women voting? you would have been arguing for the 'natural' place of women as submissive chattel to their husbands and appealing to 'the way the world works, clear for everyone to see' in 1900.
Completely irrelevant, but then why aren't you campaigning for equal rights for hasidic women?
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it's not irrelevant? civil rights has always had a broad spectrum of solidarity? women's rights activists teamed up with indian independence activists who teamed up with other anti-racist and anti-colonial movements.
you consistently misunderstand and misrepresent what civil rights appeals are: it's for EVERYONE in a democracy to have THE SAME rights. not special privileges. the idea being that one group being impoverished or denied these rights is an offense to the entire society, because, you know, that society is premised on EQUAL rights which are not being served.
i don't think the plight of hasidic women is a big problem in the UK. and it is problematic to interject in a religious communities' private codes, so long as people are consenting and willing to be there. that's also another freedom enshrined in modern democracy: to practice your own religion, you know.
amazing that the lickspittle authoritarian seriously doesn't seem to understand democracy.
you consistently misunderstand and misrepresent what civil rights appeals are: it's for EVERYONE in a democracy to have THE SAME rights. not special privileges. the idea being that one group being impoverished or denied these rights is an offense to the entire society, because, you know, that society is premised on EQUAL rights which are not being served.
i don't think the plight of hasidic women is a big problem in the UK. and it is problematic to interject in a religious communities' private codes, so long as people are consenting and willing to be there. that's also another freedom enshrined in modern democracy: to practice your own religion, you know.
amazing that the lickspittle authoritarian seriously doesn't seem to understand democracy.
Well then you must be fine with islamic women in the uk being treated poorly - freedom to practice religion and all.
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i don't think islamic women in the UK are treated particularly poorly, and i seriously don't engage in this insincere, dogwhistling, cynical exercise of faux-sympathy.
the most tedious trope of all is the white right-winger who justifies their islamophobia by saying they're doing it to 'save the women'. oh please. you're the little englander telling a muslim woman to take off her religious clothing, which she freely chooses to wear and might even take pride in, because it's 'oppressive'. so utterly tedious.
amazing how you're so concerned about hasidic jews and islamic women when it lets you justify your vile racism elsewhere, isn't it? literal contortions of bad faith reasoning.
the most tedious trope of all is the white right-winger who justifies their islamophobia by saying they're doing it to 'save the women'. oh please. you're the little englander telling a muslim woman to take off her religious clothing, which she freely chooses to wear and might even take pride in, because it's 'oppressive'. so utterly tedious.
amazing how you're so concerned about hasidic jews and islamic women when it lets you justify your vile racism elsewhere, isn't it? literal contortions of bad faith reasoning.
Vile racism? I don't want backward people imposing their backward culture on me or anyone else.
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you have a backward culture.