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I think dilbert at least was minimizing history here, in making a separation between the treatment of indigenous Americans and the treatment of African slaves in terms of slaveries. I don't think he saw my reply, but Europeans were exporting indians (yes, both kinds; see jahaji history) to the Caribbean for slave labor in significant numbers.

dilbs wrote:

No question treatment of the aboriginals was reprehensible, more comparable with American treatment of native Indians than slavery though.
Not to mention, Australia's slave workers existed shockingly late into history, sourced from indigenous people and imported from the South Pacific. Sometimes as a result to supply issues from countries *ahem* elsewhere in the world, abolishing their slavery. How late into the 20th century did you guys make Aborigines (young and old) work the ranches, Dilbert? How many people will die waiting for their stolen wages?
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We still make them work, still, pales into nothing compared with the scale of US slavery.
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israel's ethnic cleansing pales into nothing cmopared with the scale of the holocaust.

so i guess it's not so bad after all? if scale is important here and not, er, the principle of fucking racial apartheid?
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On a per capita basis I'm sure the Palestinian holocaust exceeded the jewish one some time ago, not forgetting all the historical holocausts perpetrated by the Israelites.

You'd think the jews would have learnt some empathy and humility having just had a holocaust inflicted on them.
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uziq wrote:

israel's ethnic cleansing pales into nothing cmopared with the scale of the holocaust.

so i guess it's not so bad after all? if scale is important here and not, er, the principle of fucking racial apartheid?
Please go ahead and blame Britain, ie yourself, weren't the British central in the slave trade?
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i’m not taking part in that shifting of blame? all european powers have been responsible for slavery, racism, ethnic cleansing, gulags and concentration camps, etc. it’s a part of our acknowledged history and is senseless to deny it. you’re the only one who seems interested in facile takes like ‘yeah but you did it more!’
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Dilbert_X wrote:

No question treatment of the aboriginals was reprehensible, more comparable with American treatment of native Indians than slavery though.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

On a per capita basis I'm sure the Palestinian holocaust exceeded the jewish one some time ago, not forgetting all the historical holocausts perpetrated by the Israelites.

You'd think the jews would have learnt some empathy and humility having just had a holocaust inflicted on them.
also this is a vile take. the holocaust literally eradicated entire jewish populations from vast areas, their historic homes for generations, across europe. there has been nothing like the same extermination of palestinians. displacement, apartheid, use of military force and war: certainly. but there’s no smoke stacks in gaza burning the entire genetic stock of the middle east’s palestinians.

you need to get your head checked.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

No question treatment of the aboriginals was reprehensible, more comparable with American treatment of native Indians than slavery though.
you were gloating that slavery was the foundation of the US economy. whilst, er, sitting in a crown colony that was part of a global imperial system. empires were kind of based on the same calculus of labour, resource extraction, official racism or exceptionalism, etc.
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uziq wrote:

the holocaust literally eradicated entire palestinian populations from vast areas, their historic homes for generations, across the levant.
Fixed

there has been nothing like the same extermination of palestinians. displacement, apartheid, use of military force and war: certainly. but there’s no smoke stacks in gaza burning the entire genetic stock of the middle east’s palestinians.
Is pushing families into barren desert really different from pushing them into a gas chamber?
If their neighbours had refused to take them probably that would have happened, certainly if the world hadn't been watching.

Its worth remembering, the first solution was for the jews to leave europe to anywhere which would take them, but no-one wanted them

you need to get your head checked.
Read a book.

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You can't keep sinking everything into the Jews, dilbert. Stuff goes on elsewhere in the world while Israelis run people over with bulldozers. Using them as a constant deflection isn't doing the Palestinians or anyone else favors. The butter on this popcorn has been rancid for the longest time now. You'd probably lose your mind if you had to be driven home by a Palestinian cab driver anyway.

"Hurr, what about American history then?" Yeah, it was shit. We were shit, and in some ways are still shit. Recognizing your history is one of the steps in moving on. Some people are really bad at doing that though.
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

You can't keep sinking everything into the Jews, dilbert.
uziq brought up israel not me.
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because it's your idée-fixe, dipshit, as if we need any further evidencing of it.
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Your idée-fixe, whatever that means' is that your world-view is right and everyone else is a fascist.
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you claim to have lived in france over many years and you don’t know what an idée-fixe is? whatever happened to worldly, urbane dilbert who has lived many places and knows the way of the world?
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Jesus fuck you're slow witted.

It was a joke, I obviously know what it means as I used the meaning in the next part of the sentence.

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uziq
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amazing sense of humour. ‘whatever that means’. you could excise that from the sentence and still retain the rhetorical point. maybe take composition lessons?
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Maybe you shouldn't read things so literally or take the internet so seriously.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

You can't keep sinking everything into the Jews, dilbert.
uziq brought up israel not me.
Then you could have ignored it, but you couldn't let the chance to rant about Israel pass. It's like dangling a steak in front of a dog, or an anthro cat in front of a dilb.
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I went to a new dentist recently. I stopped going to my old dentist who was this tightly wond lady who made all of her patients watch Fox News while she worked on you.

The Fox News thing actually reminded me of a funny race story one of the last times I was there years back.

I was sitting there with a dental assistant and we were watching Fox News together. (???) A segment came on about illegal immigration. At the end of the segment the dental assistant tells me she "thinks illegal immigration is bad and something need to be done about". I smiled, politely agreed and nodded my head. I couldn't care less anyway. The dental assistant then went on "I am not racist or anything. My husband is Puerto Rican" (?!) I smiled and nodded my head. It wasn't awkward and I wasn't offended but it the whole interaction is kind of why you shouldn't introduce Fox News into your place of business.
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Your old dentist office is anomalous. Even if it's liberal news, politics is the last thing I want on my mind while I'm getting my teeth scraped. Also having your teeth scraped doesn't make having a two-way conversation easy. I'm happy enough to exchange pleasantries and then let the hygienist get to work without trying to speak around their gadgets.

Fox News is something I expect to see playing in the background when I go to buy tires or take a big truck in for maintenance. Even then nobody really talks about what's on TV unless a customer brings it up.

Why is "I can't be racist, my best friend/husband/lawyer" etc. the classic leadup so much in this country? Who cares if you're a racist. I'd prefer that people would acknowledge their negative issues and work on them, but what does it have to do with you and your teeth or brakes, you know.
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my dentist office is full of harmless state medical agitprop, soft pastel tones and susurrus of ambient music. fox news? lol wtf. it's a widespread and acknowledged faux pas here to keep politics, like religion, out of the workplace. nobody wants to know.
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I can't say with certainty that news wasn't on any of the TVs at one of my dentist offices in the past, but if there's a TV at all they'd usually ask what channel you'd like. Not really relevant on a dentist's chair for long. You're going to be watching the ceiling tiles through your shades, around the distraction of the lamp.

In America, it should probably considered good enough if it's a good dentist that you can afford. I would watch Fox News every time there if I needed to get est. $30,000 of work done and they were offering Mexico rates.
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My dentist literally asks me what I want to watch. They give me the remote and already have Netflix, Disney +, and HBO Max queued up. I thought it was pretty cool.

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