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it is already against the law and people have been prosecuted already.

this is just a sop to the old fogey part of the conservative base. robert jenrick can keep going on about ‘a country that believes in rules’, having been embroiled in about 3 corruption scandals at this point that are as flagrant as a drag queen.

official corruption over billion £ property schemes for your mates in return for political party donations: not bad for the health of a democracy at all.

a statue being pulled from a plinth: we are TOUGH on crime!

In May 2020, Jenrick was involved in controversy as he overruled the Planning Inspectorate and approved a £1 billion luxury housing development for Richard Desmond, a Conservative Party donor and owner of Northern and Shell. Jenrick's decision saved Desmond's company up to £50 million in tax, with the release of documents from the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government in July 2020 leading to calls for Jenrick's resignation for his use of a public office for political favours.[2][3] Planning experts for Tower Hamlets council have estimated that Jenrick helped Desmond save an additional £106 million through leniency on affordable housing levels, which could have resulted in a total discount of approximately £150 million.

you’ve got to love these crooks who claim to be motivated by a great and profound love of britain, and who meanwhile are bloodletting its corpse and lining their own pockets at every chance they get. shameless bastards.

easier to play culture wars over some piffling icons of no real moment, isn’t it. these great patriots cutting deals for one another so that they can continue turning london into a storage centre for chinese and arab property! mention ‘woke worthies’, they’re the real enemy of the people!

when’s the last time a statue was even pulled down? it feels like 6 months ago already. yes, what this country needs is to now suddenly get very cross about statues and to clamp down on this serious threat. nevermind that jenrick and his minister chums have totally lost control of the country on about 5 different occasions in this last year.

this reeks of conservatives bringing up ‘critical race theory’ in parliament whilst meanwhile makeshift morgues pop up in hospital carparks.

Last edited by uziq (2021-01-17 00:18:23)

I didn't think people used twitter as a forum to discuss political issues.

At this point I think Britain is a failed enterprise with no future, thanks to the public school system and the Oxbridge old boys network, there's little point worrying about the detail.

OK best of luck.

amazing that you want to recycle the housing ministers’ weak piss shot across the bows about ‘the woke mob’ but not engage with his actual brief at all.

just why are corrupt housing ministers so interested in statues? at the peak of a winter pandemic where people are freezing to death on the streets of our cities? it’s a bit odd isn’t it? why this messaging now?

nah, let’s just go back to my cave saying ‘best of luck’ for the 1000th time on this forum. is that your parthian shot or something?

dilbert: heh heh ‘woke worthies’, i like the sounds of this.
dilbert: oh this guy is a culpably corrupt half-wit?
dilbert: oh well best of luck, it’s all oxford’s fault again hehheeheheh

The Trump White House on Monday released the report of the presidential “1776 Commission,” a sweeping attack on liberal thought and activism that calls for a “patriotic education,” defends America’s founding on the basis of slavery and likens progressivism to fascism.

President Trump formed the commission in September, saying that American heritage was under assault by revolutionary fanatics and that the nation’s schools required a new “pro-American” curriculum.

Its report, released on Martin Luther King’s Birthday, denounces the charge that the American founders were hypocrites who preached equality even as they codified it in the Constitution and held slaves themselves. “This charge is untrue, and has done enormous damage, especially in recent years, with a devastating effect on our civic unity and social fabric,” it says.

The report argues that “distorted histories” of the United States “labor under the illusion that slavery was somehow a uniquely American evil,” and that the institution must “be seen in a much broader perspective,” including “the unfortunate fact” that slavery “has been more the rule than the exception throughout human history.”

“Historical revisionism that tramples honest scholarship and historical truth, shames Americans by highlighting only the sins of their ancestors, and teaches claims of systemic racism that can only be eliminated by more discrimination, is an ideology intended to manipulate opinions more than educate minds,” the report says.

The report is the product of the 18-member commission, which is chaired by Larry Arnn, a Trump ally and president of the conservative Hillsdale College. Other members include Charlie Kirk, a conservative activist, and Mr. Trump’s former domestic policy adviser, Brooke Rollins.

The document asserts that the Civil Rights movement evolved into “identity politics,” which it said “teaches that America itself is to blame for oppression.”

It also said that progressives had created a “fourth branch of government” or “shadow government” which operates with no checks or balances, and likened American liberals to the Italian fascist leader Benito Mussolini, whom it said “sought to centralize power under the management of so-called experts.”

The commission and its report are in part a rebuke to The New York Times Magazine’s 1619 Project, which reframes American history around the consequences of slavery and the contributions of Black Americans. The report denounces the project, as did Mr. Trump in his September speech announcing the commission.

With only days left in office Trump manages to squeeze in just one final insult to liberals.

I doubt he knows or cares about any of this. This is pure Republicanism and it should be remembered as such when people advocate voting R for anything.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

The Trump White House on Monday released the report of the presidential “1776 Commission,” a sweeping attack on liberal thought and activism that calls for a “patriotic education,” defends America’s founding on the basis of slavery and likens progressivism to fascism.

President Trump formed the commission in September, saying that American heritage was under assault by revolutionary fanatics and that the nation’s schools required a new “pro-American” curriculum.

Its report, released on Martin Luther King’s Birthday, denounces the charge that the American founders were hypocrites who preached equality even as they codified it in the Constitution and held slaves themselves. “This charge is untrue, and has done enormous damage, especially in recent years, with a devastating effect on our civic unity and social fabric,” it says.

The report argues that “distorted histories” of the United States “labor under the illusion that slavery was somehow a uniquely American evil,” and that the institution must “be seen in a much broader perspective,” including “the unfortunate fact” that slavery “has been more the rule than the exception throughout human history.”

“Historical revisionism that tramples honest scholarship and historical truth, shames Americans by highlighting only the sins of their ancestors, and teaches claims of systemic racism that can only be eliminated by more discrimination, is an ideology intended to manipulate opinions more than educate minds,” the report says.

The report is the product of the 18-member commission, which is chaired by Larry Arnn, a Trump ally and president of the conservative Hillsdale College. Other members include Charlie Kirk, a conservative activist, and Mr. Trump’s former domestic policy adviser, Brooke Rollins.

The document asserts that the Civil Rights movement evolved into “identity politics,” which it said “teaches that America itself is to blame for oppression.”

It also said that progressives had created a “fourth branch of government” or “shadow government” which operates with no checks or balances, and likened American liberals to the Italian fascist leader Benito Mussolini, whom it said “sought to centralize power under the management of so-called experts.”

The commission and its report are in part a rebuke to The New York Times Magazine’s 1619 Project, which reframes American history around the consequences of slavery and the contributions of Black Americans. The report denounces the project, as did Mr. Trump in his September speech announcing the commission.

With only days left in office Trump manages to squeeze in just one final insult to liberals.

what an immense amount of historical abuse.

this bullshit talks about history and historiography as if professional historians (and those dreaded college professors) haven't been honestly appraising the legacy of slavery since, er, 1900?

the right-wing really love to rewrite and abuse history whilst blaming everything on the left, don't they? how many times have we seen this play now? ah yes, a fifth column of progressives that are seeking to undermine society ... we must bundle together for strength, bruders!

I'm quite confused what these things have to do with each other, if indeed they are true. Saying "college professors" have "traditionally" been left wing is a broad brush. I take that to mean people in the social sciences tend (and therefore history?) to lean more left, though economics is a notable area where there's a sizeable group on the right.

Does any real white person actually have this self-hate? I think I saw a sign that was ridiculed that was like "I'm sorry for being white" or something ridiculous like that, but that doesn't seem to be the mainstream opinion at all. I've not heard anything close to even being ashamed of one's whiteness, but more recognition of the privileges it provides in our society through no effort of one's own.

Lastly, are vegetarians unable to be concerned about the future or something? The issue is so vague that I'm not really sure what the implication is; however, I have come across it before of military recruitment heavily relying upon a crop of poorer people with a lack of prospects.

Dilbert_X wrote:

OK but college professors have traditionally been left wing and the level of wokeness and white self-hate really has been becoming out of control lately.

Its every level of education now, even my sister - who works in primary and secondary education and doesn't eat risotto because it may have chicken stock in it - has been wondering how the next generation is going to get anything done, populate the armed services etc.

what have you done to ‘populate the armed forces’? shooting peashooters at paper targets isn’t quite the same thing as joining the ADF and fighting off chinese landing craft, is it dilbert?

what the FUCK are two middle-aged adults who live at home with their parents doing, crowing about ‘the next generation’ populating anything? you absolute losers.

‘college professors have always been left-wing’, i mean really. which ones? the eugenicists at UCL? the dons at oxford? the ecclesiasts and sherry swilling priests at durham? the scots lairds’ sons at st. andrew’s? where are all these ‘traditional’ hotbeds of woke politics?

or perhaps, more to the point in american history, are you trying to suggest the dominant trend in american historiography for MOST of the 20th century wasn’t widely conservative? the most influential take on the abolition of slavery and period of reconstruction was, for most of the 20th c, that reconstruction was a disaster because ‘the blacks over-reached’ or ‘the blacks tried to ruin things’. this was the standard take in history departments from columbia to harvard. there was in fact a huge rear-guard effort, politically motivated, to tip the historical balance this way and to perpetuate the causes of the south and powerful southern interests in just this way: through history texts, lectures, pamphlets and higher education. 

but please. let’s talk some more about how historians have ‘badly erased our history’ with their ‘woke leftism’.

the right-wing are vague on detail and dishonest to their rotten core. including yourself. your capacity for bad faith and selective argument is boundless. YOU yourself regurgitate these politically blinkered takes – ‘slavery wasn’t such a big deal’, ‘slavery wasn’t so bad’, ‘i sincerely doubt america really actually benefitted much from slavery’ – today in 2020. where’d you think all these atrocious takes came from? there’s a venerable tradition of this claptrap ffs.

you are playing with the culture wars claque and joining in with the insipid gossip without having read a single salutary fucking book on these subjects. you don’t know anything about the historiography of this period and can only offer vague stereotypes about ‘woke college professors’. do better. you’re a grown man.

Last edited by uziq (2021-01-18 22:57:49)

We've done this all before, do I need to list all the stupid courses undergraduates have to wade through "Why white people are bed" etc, and the inane PhDs people are doing at the gay department at (IIRC) UCL? I think I found "Lesbianism through the dark ages"

My sister is an accountant and business manager BTW, and its the non-norman side of the family which was multi-generation chimney sweeps so there.

Pretty sure academia has been champagne socialist for a little while.

America is a bit different, it does seem to be composed of a good few people who compete to outdo each other in their radical leftism, coupled with some fairly aggressive student factions.