BF2S Forums Race relations thread

uziq wrote:

racial attitudes were different, yes, but white supremacist: no. not officially.

of course the propaganda simplified the picture, but even still, the war was still fought between powers with fundamentally different visions of society: open, free democracy versus fascist totalitarianism.

125,000 african-americans served in WW2 who would probably disagree with your characterization of the allies as being 'white supremacist'. presumably they were fighting for the idea at the heart of american democracy -- very different to the ethno-nationalist, fascist creed espoused by nazi germany.

Pretty sure the US military was thoroughly segregated at the time, segregation being a thing in the US for quite a while longer.
Quite similar to the nazi vision in fact.

And les noirs are thoroughly integrated into french society n'est ce pas? Le Pen only making second place having been in front for quite a while.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Fren … l_election

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_se … ted_States

In 1967, Mildred Loving, a black woman, and Richard Loving, a white man, were sentenced to a year in prison in Virginia for marrying each other.

Most countries and races are racist, not sure why you're still surprised about this.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Most countries and races are racist, not sure why you're still surprised about this.

yes and i’m not sure why you’re surprised that, nowadays, nazism and white power movements are seen as closely inter-related in modern times.

defending a kid’s right to make white power signs whilst talking about ‘the africans taking over like nazi germany’ is mindbendingly stupid.

the group espousing the ideology that we went to war against, you know, are the ones throwing up the white power signs today. many of them literally identify as neo-nazi. derp derp derp. yet by some bizarro mental sleight of hand you think black people are the ‘nazi’ threat

just the level of weasel-like behaviour that is involved in such a shuffling and positioning is really repugnant. ‘let’s defend neo-nazis by accusing their black targets of being nazis’.

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uziq wrote:

defending a kid’s right to make white power signs whilst talking about ‘the africans taking over like nazi germany’ is mindbendingly stupid.

Where did I defend his 'right'?

It seems like a pretty stupid thing for bail attorneys to be getting excited about, what next?

Maybe they should have thought about this before he was given bail, wasn't that my point?

Will he be not be allowed to make hand signs at all or only those from a pre-approved list?
Its inane.

whatever next, will mass-murderers even be judged for waving to their friends on the court bench?



a simple wave? it's INANE !!!!

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uziq wrote:

what's inane is you needing to have it explained to you why making 'white power'  hand signs is different from, er, being an air traffic controller.

maybe take a basic course in semantics? symbols don't exist in a vacuum. this one has a context and a meaning.

in the context of a possibly politically or racially motivated murder, i think a hand symbol explicitly associated with a race-hate ideology is pertinent.

fuck me you love being dense don't you? i know you can't be this stupid.

they should have thought about this before he was given bail, wasn't that my point?

and how did 'they' grant him bail? how did he get bail? by becoming a martyr for the far-right who mass crowdfunded his bail funds, duh. but wow i guess it's silly to talk about the possible political angle.

Its been raised as a bail issue you vegetable, thats whats inane.

Will he be allowed to give a thumbs up while on bail? Hmm better go to court to have a judge decide.

What exactly can he and can't he have written on his t-shirt? Lets get a dictionary and start crossing words out.

Amazing how you guys protest freedom of speech, innocence before conviction and the 'right' to break unjust laws when it suits you, but jump right onto someone you don't like or agree with and pull their rights away.

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Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

what's inane is you needing to have it explained to you why making 'white power'  hand signs is different from, er, being an air traffic controller.

maybe take a basic course in semantics? symbols don't exist in a vacuum. this one has a context and a meaning.

in the context of a possibly politically or racially motivated murder, i think a hand symbol explicitly associated with a race-hate ideology is pertinent.

fuck me you love being dense don't you? i know you can't be this stupid.

they should have thought about this before he was given bail, wasn't that my point?

and how did 'they' grant him bail? how did he get bail? by becoming a martyr for the far-right who mass crowdfunded his bail funds, duh. but wow i guess it's silly to talk about the possible political angle.

Its been raised as a bail issue you vegetable, thats whats inane.

Will he be allowed to give a thumbs up while on bail? Hmm better go to court to have a judge decide.

What exactly can he and can't he have written on his t-shirt? Lets get a dictionary and start crossing words out.

Amazing how you guys protest freedom of speech, innocence before conviction and the 'right' to break unjust laws when it suits you, but jump right onto someone you don't like or agree with and pull their rights away.

people have aggravating and mitigating factors in a court of law, dipshit. this guy is possibly incriminating himself when on bail.

nobody is saying it forfeits his right to a fair trial. but it is maximally poorly advised.

and, of course, simply in poor taste. you'd think someone who had killed a human being would be contrite, rather than posing for photos like a sports star and enjoying their measure of celebrity. it's simply odious conduct.

why can't you tell the difference between words as inert objects and words having meanings, words having context? you're the one exhibiting the thought processes of a vegetable, here. 'camp auschwitz' on a tshirt and 'white power' hand signs MEAN something in these politically and racially charged contexts. he's not an innocent bystander wearing some innocuous tshirt that could be interpreted any number of ways. he is a person who SHOT AND KILLED SOMEONE at a BLACK LIVES MATTER protest.

the 'right to break unjust laws' lmao hahahah. oh my god the lengths you will go to in order to make excuses for someone who has killed another human being, likely with racist undertones or motivations. yes, that well-known unjust law: murder. 'the war against murder' has been a miserable failure!

i assume judges in a court of law can rely upon that elusive quality, common sense, when determining which hand signs and words are relevant and germane, and which are not. "hmph, judging someone for shouting 'die n*gger die!' before they shot them. whatever next, will judges go through the entire OED and determine which words murderers can shout and which they cannot? free speech is dYiNG!!!"

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I agree with the people that argue that multicultural societies don't work or don't work very well. But Obama, literally the best president we have had in the post Cold War period, was an English speaking only, half white Christian who is better educated than 99% of Americans. He did just about everything right to assimilate and was met with intense hatred.

I think at that point the people complaining about Obama, the democrats, and cultural Marxism were the ones being unreasonable. And if they are going to act like that then I guess I really don't have any choice but to side with the multiculturalist even though I think they often go too far and ask too much.

uziq wrote:

society stumbles forward based on half-unachievable ideals; at least it gets somewhere.

i don't see anything positive in the vision proposed by critics of multiculturalism. they want all the benefits of globalism but for people to stay ghettoized in their global souths, processing raw materials and making them $10 shirts. they want ex-subjects of empire to stay in their debt-bonded third-world nations and accept their lot at the bottom of the global pyramid. they're afraid of human beings mixing or cultures changing -- something which has happened for thousands of years.

outlooks guided by fear and (often petty) resentment is not really my thing.

Personally, I am not bothered by the vast amount of multicultural practices that makes most cultural conservatives froth. Someone with an accent or people speaking a different language doesn't bother me. I think it is cool to see things like Chinese New Year celebrations and those colorful Hindu holidays. I like the food of all different people too.

I am strongly against accommodations for Islam or Islamic practices. Islam at its base is a cultural dominating force. It breaks delicate and longstanding cultural arrangements wherever it flourishes.

I agree that white nationalist are currently a bigger issue for western countries then Islamism. I have never heard a good response as to why terrorism follows wherever Muslims migrate to and how every great civilization that host Muslims also has terrorism issues.

And the 20 years of waves of off and on of Islamic terrorism in Europe and the U.S. went a long way to radicalizing a lot of white people. 9/11 and ISIS certainly didn't help race relations.

i find it really hard to talk about the 'problem' of muslim immigration when islamic terrorism was brought to the west as a consequence of western foreign policy. the muslims didn't just decide to wage a holy war on the states for no reason.

like dilbert, it might surprise you to learn that not many muslim migrants are salafists or wahhabists.

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