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“Undoubtedly, the most unattractive women in the world are the Indian women,” Nixon can be heard saying in a tape recording from June 1971 that the Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum released in response to Bass’s declassification request. “The most sexless, nothing, these people. I mean, people say, ‘What about the Black Africans?’ Well, you can see something, the vitality, there. I mean, they have a little animallike charm. But God, those Indians, ack, pathetic.”
Funny quote from Nixon. I thought about Dilbert when I read this one.
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uziq wrote:

i've been to paris many times, dilbert, and have spent a lot of time in the city.
I'm guessing you spent your time walking around with your nose in the air and not taking anything in then.
I used to ride the metro in paris when I was 12.
the gendarmes are not the national guard. they're not there to break heads. breaking down a bunch of tents in a square is not quite a riot. you haven't justified their behaviour at all. it's simply nonsensical to say 'they're riot police! of course innocent civilians and bystanders, journalists and photographers, are going to be brutalized!'
Larssen and I have both told you're wrong.
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Larssen wrote:

Gendarmerie are a bit different depending on the country. Mostly they are military police and guards for border crossings (airports) and infrastructure, political leadership etc. They are military but it's different from, say, the US national guard or regular infantry. Gendarmerie types are a common sight in many European cities.

I'm not sure if the anglosaxon world has a similar organisation.
Not really, the whole Hitler thing finally cemented the idea the military should have no authority over civilians.

The nearest would be sending in the paratroops to deal with the Irish.
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gendarmes like paratroops
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Dilbert_X wrote:

the gendarmerie is a branch of the armed forces responsible for internal security in parts of the territory
They are not police
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are you getting confused that they both have 'para-' as a prefix or something?

a paratrooper is a specialist military unit who deploy into armed conflicts via parachute.

a paramilitary organization is one that exists in parallel to the military, i.e. adjacent to, i.e. sharing some peacetime civilian duties with.

this is a paratrooper.

https://www.paradata.org.uk/sites/default/files/styles/modal/public/pictures/EX%20Cockfeather%20Barry%20Buddon%201990%201.JPG?itok=vbNwZ9MM

this is a gendarme.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4248070-3x2-940x627.jpg

gendarmes are a national police force, they're not the military sent in to enforce martial-law or to 'break heads'.

NONE of what you're saying justifies in the slightest the brutalization of photojournalists in the streets of paris, it doesn't justify the beating of black people and racist abuse, it doesn't justify clubbing homeless people and turning them out of tents.

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Its not a paramilitary organisation, its a military organisation with some police duties.

When was the last time you saw a bobby with a fixed bayonet on his assault rifle?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Air_Transport_Gendarmerie_Bastille_Day_2013_Paris_t110557.jpg/2880px-Air_Transport_Gendarmerie_Bastille_Day_2013_Paris_t110557.jpg
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Larssen and I have both told you're wrong.
also larssen quite accurately spoke about the ‘gendarmerie’ in european history generally, which, taken as a blanket term, means many things and has done throughout history. it’s about as relevant as talking about a jacquerie or chevalier.

the national gendarmerie (proper noun, as in the french version specifically) is considered a police force. they’re not jumping out of cargo planes in their training or daubing their face with mud in the jungles of borneo. they’re not deployed on ‘peacekeeping’ missions or sent to deal with republican terrorists. they fall equally under the french ministry of the interior, like the london met and the home office.
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When was the last time you saw a bobby with a fixed bayonet on his assault rifle?
when's the last time anyone used a bayonet in, well, any circumstances? the falklands?

i wonder why they didn't affix their bayonets or just perform a cavalry charge to clear that tent city. i guess poncing about on parade with a bayonet totally justifies the brutalization of civilians.

also your analogy to northern ireland and the paratroopers is just bad. northern ireland was a warzone with an republican insurgency. the paratroopers were sent there as an explicitly military force. the streets of paris are not a warzone. it's not belfast or sarajevo. the paratroopers role in civilian mistreatment (and massacres) has been harshly criticized too. people do not take the same blithe 'well, it's the paras, they do break heads!' stand as you do.

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Put by wikipedia (additions highlighted):

A paramilitary organization is a semi-militarized force whose organizational structure, tactics, training, subculture, and (often) function are similar to those of a professional military, but is not generally formally part of a country's armed forces.
Added highlighted to quote, since sometimes things differ from country to country. If we're talking about the French Gendarmerie, I don't think it's generally described a paramilitary organization, though it probably often is.
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They're a domestic military organisation which falls equally under the interior ministry and the ministry of defence equivalent.

They don't have an exact UK equivalent which is why you're struggling to grasp it.
Think of them as full-time TA who don't get sent abroad and get to beat people up on special occasions.
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The National Gendarmerie (French: Gendarmerie nationale [ʒɑ̃daʁməʁi nɑsjɔnal]) is one of two national police forces of France, along with the National Police. It is a branch of the French Armed Forces placed under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of the Interior—with additional duties to the Ministry of Defense.
The Gendarmerie, while remaining part of the French armed forces, has been attached to the Ministry of the Interior since 2009.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Gendarmerie

So the attachment to the Ministry of the Interior is a new thing, historically they were not.

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Dilbert_X wrote:

They're a domestic military organisation which falls equally under the interior ministry and the ministry of defence equivalent.

They don't have an exact UK equivalent which is why you're struggling to grasp it.
Think of them as full-time TA who don't get sent abroad and get to beat people up on special occasions.
i would have said TA myself if pained analogies were required. the TA are NOT the fucking paras.

5 posts of senseless pedantry and you still haven't explained to me why it's a photojournalists' fault for having his face caved in by a gendarme?
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55100247

well, that's just what you can expect, eh! it's practically his fault. i mean, it's the french police! it's their job to be racist and violent!
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The French are more racist than the British in my experience.

I didn't say the gendarmerie are equivalent to the paras, I said sending the paras (and other army units) into NI is the only example I can think of where the UK military have been used for policing civilians.
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but gendarmes are routinely used for civilian policing matters in france all the time. hence the confusion of that analogy. i said from the outset that it’s not appropriate to ‘excuse’ their rough behaviour as if it’s troops being deployed to restore order or implement martial law. they are effectively tooled-up police men.
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No they're effectively soldiers seconded to policing.

The point was, anyone who ordered the gendarmes in to clear out migrants knew heads were going to get cracked, the migrants tried to take them on and they got whacked.
There just aren't any surprises here except why anyone would be surprised.
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the person with his face caved in was a photojournalist. what is it with you casually eliding blame all the time? be specific and accurate. BLM are not all 'looters and arsonists' and a photojournalist in a free country shouldn't expect to end up in hospital with life-changing injuries.
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At least he will get free healthcare for his fucked up face. I am somewhat more tolerant of police aggression towards civilians in western Europe since at least you guys have a strong welfare state. In America you are expected to just fuck off and die.
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whilst that's grimly and ironically true, i'd still prefer not to have my face and outward appearance permanently scarred because of some fucking pig.
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Conspiracy time:

Make your cops so evil and ruthless that people beg to be policed by an army instead.
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So I doing remodeling of the depression nest I live in. I bought these fancy jars to store my medicine instead of having prescription bottles, Tylenol containers, Benadryl bottles, 1 a day allergy medicine etc. all over my new dressers.
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My sister who is a nurse and Uzique level party drug enthusiast said this is a really bad idea. That the jars will look like drugs and the police will charge you with a misdemeanor until you can prove you don't have big jars of drugs. Exact thing happened to a friend of hers.

Is this an example of good policing? Taking your jars of medicine and charging you until you can prove you are just a hipster instead of drug pusher?
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That's not the way it works.

You should fill some of them with dried beans and pickled veggies like the picture. Maybe it will throw off the fuzz
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@mac Keep the bottles for proof of prescription if it makes you feel better. People transfer pills into schedule bins all the time.
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Appropiate here. Maybe Dilbert might learn how we got to today's situation. Imagine being a slave all your life, your parents and siblings having been slaves, then one day you get a meal and are told 'well you're free now'. You never went to school, were never allowed to read a book and spent your life only cutting and hanging tobacco. That background really sets up a community for succes right?

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