There are a lot of really hot Arabic girls. I could settle down with a Coptic girl. I say we let the Coptics and the Maronites (who did nothing in wrong in the civil war) refugee to our lands.
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good fucking god, half the claptrap you write. you're avowedly anti-religious and yet you hold it against the jews for killing jesus? the fuck is going on in your demented little head?
the jews carried out larger pogroms than the holocaust? really? can you point these out? careful you don't refer back to mythical events in the old testament again. you'll be claiming that magic jews can part large bodies of water next!
the jews carried out larger pogroms than the holocaust? really? can you point these out? careful you don't refer back to mythical events in the old testament again. you'll be claiming that magic jews can part large bodies of water next!
oh shut up you overweening little cretin. you don't even attend church.SuperJail Warden wrote:
There are a lot of really hot Arabic girls. I could settle down with a Coptic girl. I say we let the Coptics and the Maronites (who did nothing in wrong in the civil war) refugee to our lands.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and … a_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kataeb_Party
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uziq wrote:
oh shut up you overweening little cretin. you don't even attend church.SuperJail Warden wrote:
There are a lot of really hot Arabic girls. I could settle down with a Coptic girl. I say we let the Coptics and the Maronites (who did nothing in wrong in the civil war) refugee to our lands.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and … a_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kataeb_Party
another tough guy who looks at gore subreddits and thinks he is ready for a culture war. the revolutionary front of camden, NJ.
the french president probably was a devil figure for many islamic people throughout the 20th century. algerians aren't exactly fond of de gaulle. we are not talking long or deep history, here. there is something decidedly suspect about the president of a 'secular' republic presiding over quite so much muslim-baiting.
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The French are the saviours of Europe. Their defeat of the Muslims at Tours was one of the greatest victories in history.
I mean come on now. Are you really calling his statements muslim baiting?
Your stance is exactly the reason the far right has gained so much ground; such an incredible focus on being culturally sensitive to the point that whoever takes the most offence gets to decide what the social rules and norms are. It's as though you're implying that Macron saying France will 'keep its cartoons' and that 'Islam is in crisis' is some sort of undue insult of Islamic faith. If a large subset of one of the world's most powerful and largest religious communities flies into a rabid rage over such absolutely tame statements that's entirely their problem.
Meanwhile we have a turkish foreign minister calling people 'sons of whores' for caricaturing dear leader Erdogan. You're talking about restrained dialogue? They're combative, they want confrontation and there's a point where you have to draw a line.
The algerians won their independence in a bloody war, I think they'll find plenty pride in that fact.
Your stance is exactly the reason the far right has gained so much ground; such an incredible focus on being culturally sensitive to the point that whoever takes the most offence gets to decide what the social rules and norms are. It's as though you're implying that Macron saying France will 'keep its cartoons' and that 'Islam is in crisis' is some sort of undue insult of Islamic faith. If a large subset of one of the world's most powerful and largest religious communities flies into a rabid rage over such absolutely tame statements that's entirely their problem.
Meanwhile we have a turkish foreign minister calling people 'sons of whores' for caricaturing dear leader Erdogan. You're talking about restrained dialogue? They're combative, they want confrontation and there's a point where you have to draw a line.
The algerians won their independence in a bloody war, I think they'll find plenty pride in that fact.
insulting a quarter of the world's population by announcing that their religion is effectively broken is not 'being overly culturally sensitive'.
macron's government have ample means to enact all the counter-terror legislation and raids they want. pissing off a bunch of otherwise moderate and uninvolved muslims is going to have a contrary effect. are you stupid? george w bush's 'crackdown' and 'war on terror' didn't achieve very much, did it? other than helping right-wing govts in the middle-east portray him as yet another 'christian crusader'.
the rhetoric only panders to the already right-wing and already anti-islamic. good luck getting rid of the problem by confronting the entire religion as a monolithic entity. i really wish you well. i suggest you are fucked.
macron's government have ample means to enact all the counter-terror legislation and raids they want. pissing off a bunch of otherwise moderate and uninvolved muslims is going to have a contrary effect. are you stupid? george w bush's 'crackdown' and 'war on terror' didn't achieve very much, did it? other than helping right-wing govts in the middle-east portray him as yet another 'christian crusader'.
the rhetoric only panders to the already right-wing and already anti-islamic. good luck getting rid of the problem by confronting the entire religion as a monolithic entity. i really wish you well. i suggest you are fucked.
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Kick his ass LarssenLarssen wrote:
I mean come on now. Are you really calling his statements muslim baiting?
Your stance is exactly the reason the far right has gained so much ground;
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Pls go play with your card games. Didn't you claim native americans descent as well? The love for medieval and colonial Europe is interesting to say the least.SuperJail Warden wrote:
The French are the saviours of Europe. Their defeat of the Muslims at Tours was one of the greatest victories in history.
There is no comparison to be made between the war on terror and a head of state saying a religion is in crisis. If civil and proxy wars between sunni and shia and the advent of religious terrorism aren't enough reason for you to say that, perhaps, the religious community is having problems, then what IS the problem uziq?uziq wrote:
insulting a quarter of the world's population by announcing that their religion is effectively broken is not 'being overly culturally sensitive'.
macron's government have ample means to enact all the counter-terror legislation and raids they want. pissing off a bunch of otherwise moderate and uninvolved muslims is going to have a contrary effect. are you stupid? george w bush's 'crackdown' and 'war on terror' didn't achieve very much, did it? other than helping right-wing govts in the middle-east portray him as yet another 'christian crusader'.
the rhetoric only panders to the already right-wing and already anti-islamic. good luck getting rid of the problem by confronting the entire religion as a monolithic entity. i really wish you well. i suggest you are fucked.
all of the major national conflicts and power struggles in the middle-east can be construed as 'proxy wars' for religious factions, including most obviously the jews and to a lesser extent the christians (with smatterings of rebel groups like the kurds or houthis). for you to make out that the sectarian conflict between sunni and shia is in some way an existentialist threat to the west (they refer to one another as the 'near enemy' and the west as the 'far enemy', fyi) is an exaggeration in the extreme.
i am also very confused as to how you're so casually blending this with the small-c conservative populist 'moslems aren't compatible with our way of life' stuff. you claim multiculturalism has failed and then elide into talks of sunni-shia power struggles. why? focus on the issue for christ's sake.
i am also very confused as to how you're so casually blending this with the small-c conservative populist 'moslems aren't compatible with our way of life' stuff. you claim multiculturalism has failed and then elide into talks of sunni-shia power struggles. why? focus on the issue for christ's sake.
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My ancestors fought the Reconquista while your ancestors were collaborating with the Ottoman Turks.Larssen wrote:
Pls go play with your card games. Didn't you claim native americans descent as well? The love for medieval and colonial Europe is interesting to say the least.SuperJail Warden wrote:
The French are the saviours of Europe. Their defeat of the Muslims at Tours was one of the greatest victories in history.
we get it, you've played crusader kings for 2,000 hours. you haven't even left north america. you are literally nothing and no one.
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What a hurtful thing to say. I am someone. Everyone is a someone.uziq wrote:
we get it, you've played crusader kings for 2,000 hours. you haven't even left north america. you are literally nothing and no one.
Why are you putting everyone down in order to defend the murderous Muslims who would kill you and the bisexuals you publish?
The issue was his statement about Islam being a religion in crisis. If civil war within the religious factions is not indicative of this, then I don't know what is.
Saying a religion is in crisis and stating that it is an existential threat are two totally different things.
If we're talking about the relationship with regards to the west, the fact is that quite a few Islamic schools, through their dogmatism, rigidity, idealisation of the first caliphate, have a (very) hard time accepting or tolerating any progressive social ideas let alone western cultural norms, media or social practices. Qutb's writings weren't the ravings of a madman, and much of it perfectly defensible in the context of his environment. In the advent of a smaller and technologically connected world, that isolationist fundamentalism can be termed as a crisis within the religion as well.
Saying a religion is in crisis and stating that it is an existential threat are two totally different things.
If we're talking about the relationship with regards to the west, the fact is that quite a few Islamic schools, through their dogmatism, rigidity, idealisation of the first caliphate, have a (very) hard time accepting or tolerating any progressive social ideas let alone western cultural norms, media or social practices. Qutb's writings weren't the ravings of a madman, and much of it perfectly defensible in the context of his environment. In the advent of a smaller and technologically connected world, that isolationist fundamentalism can be termed as a crisis within the religion as well.
why would he say it's a religion in crisis in response to a terror attack in france? what's the connection between that and sunni-shia?
the vagueness and casual elision of these matters is what makes it easy to portray him as a crusader who is specially singling out islam for some time-tested, age-old european laundering.
again, really seems worth pissing off 1/4 of the world's population for. qutb and wahhabism, those enormous threats.
the vagueness and casual elision of these matters is what makes it easy to portray him as a crusader who is specially singling out islam for some time-tested, age-old european laundering.
to be sure, everything from the muslim brotherhood onwards is a fascistic strain in islam. but not an existential threat to the west, nor was it in 2001, either. only ever construed that way by right-wing conservatives and warhawks. the bigger terrorist threat to western nations thesedays is posed by the far-right, as recent FBI reports have portrayed - who, incidentally, love to portray the majority of law-abiding, peaceful, tax-paying muslims as 'threats' to society and 'incompatible' with our way of life.If we're talking about the relationship with regards to the west, the fact is that quite a few Islamic schools, through their dogmatism, rigidity, idealisation of the first caliphate, have a (very) hard time accepting or tolerating any progressive social ideas let alone western cultural norms, media or social practices. Qutb's writings weren't the ravings of a madman, and much of it perfectly defensible in the context of his environment. In the advent of a smaller and technologically connected world, that isolationist fundamentalism can be termed as a crisis within the religion as well.
again, really seems worth pissing off 1/4 of the world's population for. qutb and wahhabism, those enormous threats.
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9/11 killed more people than all of right wing terrorism in the U.S. combined. More people in France were killed at the Bataclan than in National Front's entire history.
I wonder how much dismissive language from far-right politicians and officials have contributed to the miserable COVID-19 deaths of over 200k Americans alone.
yes, both events were enormous tragedies. but your intelligence and security services are devoting more of their efforts to stopping white nationalist plots than other type. it wouldn't take many more oklahoma city bombings or kidnapped senators for people to notice.SuperJail Warden wrote:
9/11 killed more people than all of right wing terrorism in the U.S. combined. More people in France were killed at the Bataclan than in National Front's entire history.
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The relative peacefulness of American Muslims is probably related to the United States security services and broad culture clapping down on them so harshly. The Asian parent treatment.
White American radicalization is probably related to the fact that they have media and cultural institutions that encourage their negative feelings and sense of victim hood.
White American radicalization is probably related to the fact that they have media and cultural institutions that encourage their negative feelings and sense of victim hood.
no, it's really not. they are not peaceful and law-abiding because they're under the kosh or kept in terror of retribution.
american muslims weren't responsible for 9/11. this may surprise you.
american muslims weren't responsible for 9/11. this may surprise you.
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You know good point. We shouldn't let any foriegn Muslims travel or immigrate here since those are the real terrorist.uziq wrote:
american muslims weren't responsible for 9/11. this may surprise you.