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Just give Greece Constantinople back and let the Turks have their caliphate in Asia.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ … slim-world

what could possibly go wrong?

The backlash has cut across an extraordinarily diverse Muslim world with a myriad of cultures, sects, political systems and levels of economic development. It has stoked historical and present-day grievances from the markets of Herat in Afghanistan to the upmarket neighbourhoods of Amman and the universities of Islamabad.

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Even to less fiery observers in Bangladesh, Macron’s defence of the right to caricature Islam’s prophet provoked deep disquiet. “The French president said this is their right to talk, their right of expression, but I don’t think free speech means disrespecting other religious beliefs,” said Fida Hasan, 26, a Dhaka-based doctor.

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The perception that the French leader was seeking to remould Islam touched deep wounds, said Asma Barlas, a retired professor of political science at the University of Ithaca in New York.

“Emmanuel Macron is following in the centuries’ old tradition of Europeans telling Muslims how we need to interpret, or live, our religion – which Europeans rarely tell people of other religious faiths – because of the actions of a handful of Muslims,” she said.

the problem is definitely turks doing national service.

Last edited by uziq (2020-10-28 01:14:41)

He has stated in an earlier interview that the law is not a moral code, i.e. blasphemy is legal and the state's only duty is to safeguard that principle.

Several cities, which are autonomous entities, projected the cartoons on buildings. I imagine he may not have been pleased, but were the French president to go around and express his distaste of this in the background of the beheading, what do you think the domestic backlash would be like? But I suppose vitriol and violence from domestic actors is better?

He isn't saying people can't respond, or that you're not allowed to take offence to things, but the death threats & terror attacks on people who dare utter anti Islamic sentiments have to stop. Of course we have to target the radicals who perpetrate such acts but in extension it helps to remove the quiet enabling forces that preach intolerance and who turn a blind eye to radicalisation. The extreme dogmatism in the religion doesn't help.

If all these people start burning effigies of Macron because of the above, including the indignation on his remark that Islam is in crisis all around the world and that he'll fight Islamic radicalism, why are you giving that a pass? From Qutb to Osama to ISIS, worldwide terror attacks from Mumbai to Boston, it's a fucking understatement that there's severe issues within that religious community.

Yeah, its just a tiny extremist minority, nothing to see here.

I would conclude that Christians are a bunch of batshit-crazy nuts also.

How many teachers heads did the catholics cut off in the last hundred years?

Can you put out the fire of radical islam with enough laicite?

Well, pretty much the whole of europe cooperated in getting rid of the jews, it wasn't exactly just the catholics, just as they'd probably cooperate to get rid of the muslims now.

Pretty well everyone was christian back then, you might as well say people with two feet are all evil because it was people with two feet who cooperated with the Germans.

Radical Islam would be far worse if it were given a chance, worse than the Nazis, they'd eradicate the Jews for a start.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2020-10-28 03:12:12)

OK great, the three Abrahamic religions can't get along with each other or anyone else.
We should stop tolerating any of them.

uziq wrote:

wow, it's almost like enabling populist sentiments and making gestures towards the far-right ... is not a good idea!

who makes death threats against people based on that, anyway? again, the 0.0001%. even all the muslims interviewed in the above piece said (as if they had to) that killing someone in response to these actions was totally wrong, taking life is unacceptable, morally untenable, etc.

islam makes up a quarter of the world's population, again. why is it 'in crisis all over the world'? really? what would you say if the ayatollah proclaimed that 'christianity is in crisis all over the world' the next time a right-wing christian gun nut shoots up a sikh temple?

Well honestly that's the choice you're then most comfortable with. You know that if the French president spent his time correcting his fellow countrymen to please not offend Islam in the wake of a religiously motivated beheading, there will be protests, there may even be violence. But evidently the emotions of that identity group is of lesser value and not to be understood, contrastingly, the same type of people all throughout the Middle East who are now spending their time burning french flags are the group you do have sympathy for.

The point is in the orders of magnitude and the recent history of religious conflicts. While there have been patches of christian terrorism in places like India and Algeria, it is not even comparable to the level of mobilisation and brutality seen in the Sunni-Shiite conflicts, ISIS, the various international terror cells from Al Shabaab to Al Qaeda etc. In general there's a worldwide resurgence of religious-nationalist conflicts since the last 10 years of the cold war, but its era is defined in the Middle East and violent ideologues among muslim populations in various parts of the globe.

People have a hard time understanding why this is so. And while religion certainly isn't the only factor in this outsized violent uprising among muslim populations, I argue you'll have a very hard time denying to the average person that the religion itself plays a part when all these terror attacks are perpetrated by people who in the act appeal quite vocally to Allah and Muhammad. ISIS above all telling us that it's a little more organised than lone wolves and assemblies of crazy people. It's not an undue question to wonder why violent radicalism is so much more prevalent among one specific religious identity.

Last edited by Larssen (2020-10-28 03:29:32)

only you would minimize the holocaust and make it sound as if people were fed-up of being put on hold for a phonecall, or something.

It's as though you both keep asking why can't we just do things in the good old days of Subotai or Caesar. Does that really need to be explained?

Sure life is much easier if you can casually decide to erase entire peoples or villages at the tiniest slight. Go forth and conquer. Unless, of course, you're the one being conquered.