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SuperJail Warden
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Stalin's management of the Soviet Union encouraged the Nazi invasion. If any credit is due to Stalin it is in him not screwing up the diplomatic/political part of the war which Hitler famously did by starting a two front war. Yes, Stalin did get a lot of his people killed but he also controlled almost all of Eastern Europe which is no small feat.
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uziq wrote:

crediting him with 'winning' ww2 is a bit fucking funny.
It's like the next evolutionary step that comes after an amateur WW2 "historian" stops polishing General "if-we'd-just-have-given-him-the-fuel" Patton's boots enough to realize that the eastern front was a thing. The Costco Father's Day Special Starter Pack.
uziq
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Stalin's management of the Soviet Union encouraged the Nazi invasion. If any credit is due to Stalin it is in him not screwing up the diplomatic/political part of the war which Hitler famously did by starting a two front war. Yes, Stalin did get a lot of his people killed but he also controlled almost all of Eastern Europe which is no small feat.
in 1938 the soviet union did not control 'almost all of eastern europe'. what are you talking about? it didn't own the baltic states and only had slightly enlarged borders with belarus/ukraine.

didn't almost all of the original red army get wiped out before 1941? i feel like you're crediting stalin for 'controlling all of eastern europe' when they were marching on berlin, or something. stalingrad was what, 42? 43? that city/the german offensive was a long way in from 'eastern europe' ...

during the decisive early stages of the war russians pulled through despite stalin, not because of him. he basically handed victory to the germans.

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SuperJail Warden
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uziq wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Stalin's management of the Soviet Union encouraged the Nazi invasion. If any credit is due to Stalin it is in him not screwing up the diplomatic/political part of the war which Hitler famously did by starting a two front war. Yes, Stalin did get a lot of his people killed but he also controlled almost all of Eastern Europe which is no small feat.
in 1938 the soviet union did not control 'almost all of eastern europe'. what are you talking about? it didn't own the baltic states and only had slightly enlarged borders with belarus/ukraine.

didn't almost all of the original red army get wiped out before 1941? i feel like you're crediting stalin for 'controlling all of eastern europe' when they were marching on berlin, or something. stalingrad was what, 42? 43? that city/the german offensive was a long way in from 'eastern europe' ...

during the decisive early stages of the war russians pulled through despite stalin, not because of him. he basically handed victory to the germans.
I was referring to the end of the war. I think that is obvious enough to everyone. Stalin deserves credit for securing western support while also avoiding another direct conflict immediately after Germany's defeat. Compare his diplomatic handling of the war to Hitler's and you can see how he could have managed to screw the whole thing up.
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So did Macbeth actually split into two personalities? One half upstanding teacher/budding bureaucrat, and the other bane of all dogs?
SuperJail Warden
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

So did Macbeth actually split into two personalities? One half upstanding teacher/budding bureaucrat, and the other bane of all dogs?
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uziq
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

uziq wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Stalin's management of the Soviet Union encouraged the Nazi invasion. If any credit is due to Stalin it is in him not screwing up the diplomatic/political part of the war which Hitler famously did by starting a two front war. Yes, Stalin did get a lot of his people killed but he also controlled almost all of Eastern Europe which is no small feat.
in 1938 the soviet union did not control 'almost all of eastern europe'. what are you talking about? it didn't own the baltic states and only had slightly enlarged borders with belarus/ukraine.

didn't almost all of the original red army get wiped out before 1941? i feel like you're crediting stalin for 'controlling all of eastern europe' when they were marching on berlin, or something. stalingrad was what, 42? 43? that city/the german offensive was a long way in from 'eastern europe' ...

during the decisive early stages of the war russians pulled through despite stalin, not because of him. he basically handed victory to the germans.
I was referring to the end of the war. I think that is obvious enough to everyone. Stalin deserves credit for securing western support while also avoiding another direct conflict immediately after Germany's defeat. Compare his diplomatic handling of the war to Hitler's and you can see how he could have managed to screw the whole thing up.
i mean, dilbert is crediting him with 'winning' the war, where he seemed to be losing it in style for most of its duration. his best strategy seemed to be to throw as many young russians as possible into the meatgrinder and to bleed out the germans before the russian populace gave way.

sure, i'll give you the diplomatic point, although it's not exactly as if he had to practice master statecraft. the western allies were taking a 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' approach.

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uziq
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

So did Macbeth actually split into two personalities? One half upstanding teacher/budding bureaucrat, and the other bane of all dogs?
he's trying to find out the hard way that that 'SWIM' shit doesn't stand up in a court of law.
SuperJail Warden
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You are right. Fine I will just leave then. Good bye forever.
uziq
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https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/se … m-training

The barrister who was mistaken for a defendant three times in one day at court has called for compulsory anti-racism training at every level of the UK legal system.

Alexandra Wilson, who specialises in criminal and family cases, put in a complaint on Wednesday and spoke of her frustration about the incident on Twitter. Her tweets, which quickly went viral, resulted in an apology by the head of the courts service in England and Wales.

Since tweeting about what happened to her, Wilson said she has been flooded by responses from other black and minority ethnic lawyers who have had similar experiences. She added the frequent occurrence of such incidents points to the failure of current training in the legal system that only focuses on unconscious bias or diversity.

In the past 24 hours, she said three black QCs had got in touch with her to say they had had similar experiences. “Something needs to change because how can it be that people who are sitting as judges are being questioned as to why they’re going into certain parts of the building.”

Wilson has called for lawyers and the court system to introduce far more ambitious anti-racism training that actively tackles discrimination in the legal profession.

Wilson said she was initially stopped at the entrance by a security guard who “asked me what my name was so he could ‘find [my] name on the list’ [the list of defendants]”. She thought that might have been an “innocent mistake”.

Then a member of the public told her not to go into a courtroom and to wait for the usher to sign her in for her case. She had to explain again that she was the barrister.

When she was inside the courtroom, a barrister or solicitor told her to wait outside and see the usher. Wilson explained that she was a lawyer.

At one point on Wednesday, Wilson was shouted at and told to leave the court room by the clerk who had asked her if she was represented. She said there needs to be training to ensure respect is shown to black people in the court system – whether they are lawyers or defendants.

“If a barrister is treated like that, you wonder how a defendant’s going to be treated, and whether the defendant is going to be treated fairly. There needs to be more and better training. If there is training already for staff, it’s clearly not going far enough,” Wilson said.

“I don’t think it’s enough any more to say, ‘I don’t have racist views and therefore I’m not racist.’ I think we actually have to be consciously fighting racism.”
dilbert: these people are full of special pleading, they already have equality!!!

imagine being a QC, one of the most senior and prestigious positions in the entire legal profession, and continually being confused for a criminal defendant.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ … defendants

More than 20 Asian lawyers have come forward to say they have been mistaken for defendants in court, in the same week that the black barrister Alexandra Wilson said the same had happened to her three times in a day.

At a webinar for the Society of Asian Lawyers (SAL) attended by 86 lawyers, 33% said they had at times been mistaken for the defendant and that this happened despite them being appropriately dressed.

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SuperJail Warden
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This music video from 2004 is a good example of what I said before about "thick" girls. Back when the western world peaked in the year 2005 the ideal body type was that of a Victoria secret model.

Now we are in the world where "thicc" is in. Why am I putting this in the racism thread? Because this trend all started with Kim Karshadian and the rap music.
https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/09/NINTCHDBPICT000597300896.jpg
uziq
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i mean fat/curvy women were considered more attractive at various periods in history. it did not begin with rap music or callipygian kim kardashian.

why do you care about women's bodies so much? does it affect you in any way at all? a curvy person can be in good physical shape.

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SuperJail Warden
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uziq wrote:

why do you care about women's bodies so much? does it affect you in any way at all?
Why do you care about circumcised penis so much? Secret homo!
lil_droo
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damn rappers.

but seriously mac this is dumb bro lol. "thicc" is not a fad or whatever. people are attracted to what they're attracted to and that's that. most current top models are still slim/fit or whatever anyways and like zique said "fat" women have been considered the ideal at other times in history too.

i'm not into BBWs or whatever but i've loved curvy-ish women ever since i hit puberty basically lol. slim waist, nice ass is the GOAT
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unnamednewbie13
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Athletic ideal is definitely not restricted only to aerobics instructors. In this area, lots of different body types are sculpted into different shapes by various sports.

It's kind of a stupid trend for people to see maybe 1% extra fat on someone outside their "type" and call them obese.
uziq
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so with the president of the united states, on a national (if not global) platform, refusing to explicitly denounce white supremacist groups, what can that possibly mean for BLM and co.? isn't it purely fucking nonsense to accuse them of being 'self-interested radicals and terrorists'? the president of the united states shouted out the proud boys last night by echoing one of their slogans.



they are treating this as a major victory. it's undeniable that such groups have been emboldened during the trump presidency. not only are white supremacist groups and far-right cells the biggest domestic terrorist thread as per the FBI, there are now routinely huge face-offs between armed militias and BLM protestors.

In their publicly viewable Telegram channels, the Proud Boys immediately responded to Trump’s words with an eruption of praise. “Stand by!!! PROUD BOYS ARE HEROES!!!” one member of a large channel wrote. “They begged him to stab us in the back and he didn’t,” another wrote in a different channel.

Dozens of other members of Proud Boy groups responded with waves of praise for Trump’s comment, approvingly and repeatedly quoting the phrase “stand back and stand by.” In one major group, the users made their pinned post an image of the words surrounding a golden wreath that the Proud Boys have taken as their logo.

Trump’s decision to not clearly condemn white supremacy and the Proud Boys in particular could have dangerous consequences. Proud Boys have already exhibited a pattern of violence by routinely assaulting protesters they see as not on their side, often without any physical provocation. According to the Daily Beast, Joey Biggs, a Proud Boys leader, chimed in on the right-wing social media app Parler with his interpretation of the president’s remarks: “Trump basically said to go fuck them up!…this makes me so happy.”
and yet dilbert will still maintain that BLM protestors are only out to achieve 'black supremacy' and not, er, to rightly call out the worrying levels of institutional and official racism in the states. how can anyone discredit or dismiss the claims of BLM when the president fails to denounce white supremacism? he was given multiple opportunities in the debate and purposefully took a line of ambiguity.

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Dilbert_X
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Are there any groups which actually identify as 'white supremacists'? Typically they're conservatives who want to maintain the status quo - which is white supremacy.

Once again, find a black dominated culture which tolerates other races and isn't a corrupt shithole.
Thats what they're agitating for, and when they get it they won't like it, again.
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Larssen
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But remember dilbert, the jews who wrote the fresh prince of bel air are really at fault here. How can you blame the black population if Israel has been manipulating those poor people all this time?

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SuperJail Warden
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Unique wrote:

In their publicly viewable Telegram channels, the Proud Boys immediately responded
It's interesting they use telegram to communicate with the world. After the U.S. strongarmed internet companies into removing jihadist content those groups created official Telegram pages. I have never used that service and assume it's meant to be used to give extremist platforms since I have only ever seen it used as such.
uziq
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Are there any groups which actually identify as 'white supremacists'? Typically they're conservatives who want to maintain the status quo - which is white supremacy.

Once again, find a black dominated culture which tolerates other races and isn't a corrupt shithole.
Thats what they're agitating for, and when they get it they won't like it, again.
no, once again, they are not agitating for a 'black dominated' culture. how can you even claim such a thing when the BLM mission statement literally talks about inclusivity, about giving voices not only to black voices, but latin voices, native voices, women's voices, gay voices, trans voices, etc? they are almost meticulously not exclusionary. and yet you talk about 'domination'. it is such arrant fucking nonsense.

and, yes, proud boys are a white supremacist organization. neo-fascist, male-only.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate … proud-boys

what groups nowadays 'actually identify' as white supremacists? or neo-nazis? that isn't the modus operandi of the far-right anymore, and hasn't been since the late 90s and orange county skinheads or whatever. they are more subtle now; dogwhistling is the norm. talking about being 'western chauvinists' or 'anti-white guilt' is the same thing as white supremacy, dilbert, when you go to BLM protests and assault black people.

gavin mcinnes, the founder of proud boys, is a typical slippery coward. he formed the group, incited it to violence, and then began to distance himself from the more 'hands-on' groups when actual violence was committed. the unite-the-right rally -- you know, the one full of people with flaming torches -- and the vehicular murder at charlottesville spooked him, basically. gavin is nothing but a narcissist desiring attention and latching onto a 'culture war'. the guy used to self-style himself as the 'inventor of the hipster' during his Vice magazine days, ffs. so the proud boys 'official distancing' from the alt-right should be understood in that context. for all intents and purposes, their followers are still turning up in numbers to alt-right rallies, still partaking in street violence, and still spewing racist hate ideologies on their internet channels, public and private. there is NO difference.

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uziq
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america: now officially and systemically racist, where voter suppression of blacks is the norm, and which kills and incarcerates its black population in hugely disproportionate numbers.
dilbert: these 'black lives matter' folks already have perfect equality, they just want to dominate whites!
SuperJail Warden
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Are there any groups which actually identify as 'white supremacists'? Typically they're conservatives who want to maintain the status quo - which is white supremacy.

Once again, find a black dominated culture which tolerates other races and isn't a corrupt shithole.
Thats what they're agitating for, and when they get it they won't like it, again.
I don't dispute that our countries are the creation of white northern Europeans. Our political system was inspired by British and French thinkers. I accept that white countries are better than black and brown countries. I would even say white western Europeans and Americans have created the most ethnically tolerant societies. I do have the same bias in favor of white things and against black things that most whites have too. I will admit to that completely.

But a white dominated cultural system cannot be maintained by the barrel of a gun. Especially if the people holding the gun are internet weirdos who hang out on terrorist instagram. The public threats of violence by these groups only encourages reciprocal desires for harm.

And finally, my cultural politics are pretty clearly moderate at the least. When it comes to presidential elections I almost always hope a moderate white male wins the democrat nomination in order to alleviate some of the fears of culturally conservative white Americans in order to soften their resistance to liberal economics. But I extremely resent a white person less educated, lazier, poorer and more maladjusted than me thinking they are better than me because of their race. And the white gun people showing up at these protest are clearly the bottom of the barrel because no one with genuine things to do or lives to protect will risk it for Donald Trump at a race riot.
Dilbert_X
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Right so according to a group which identifies Proud Boys as white supremacists they're white supremacists. Well done.

what groups nowadays 'actually identify' as white supremacists? or neo-nazis? that isn't the modus operandi of the far-right anymore, and hasn't been since the late 90s and orange county skinheads or whatever. they are more subtle now; dogwhistling is the norm. talking about being 'western chauvinists' or 'anti-white guilt' is the same thing as white supremacy, dilbert, when you go to BLM protests and assault black people.
LOL OK, you're grasping there.

In the whole history of the world find an example of an ethnic group which claims to be demanding equality not in fact wanting supremacy.

Indians don't want equality with their lesser castes, why should anyone give Indians 'equality'?

The family of a Dalit (formerly untouchable) woman who died after she was gang-raped has accused police officials of cremating her body without their permission.

The 19-year-old was allegedly raped by four upper-caste men in Hathras district in northern India.

She was grievously injured and died in a Delhi hospital on Tuesday after fighting for her life for two weeks.

Activists say police must explain why they took the "inhumane decision".

Her alleged attackers have been arrested and a fast-track court has been set up to hear the case.

Local journalist Abhishek Mathur, who witnessed the cremation from a distance, told the BBC that the police kept her family and media away from the funeral pyre.

Her body was brought to their village in Uttar Pradesh state around midnight. The victim's brother said that police officials were putting pressure on the family to cremate her immediately.

"When we refused, they took the body in an ambulance and cremated her," he said.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-54351744
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uziq
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you're really citing hindu nationalism as a counter-example to BLM?

you REALLY need to take a fucking humanities degree.  lmao. your analytical skills are PISS POOR.

'but wait, everyone must be racist all over the world: here's an example from india, which isn't really about race, it's about caste, and is about indians discriminating against other indians, but whatever, i'm making a point somehow!'

LOL OK, you're grasping there.
LOL OK, you're grasping there.
LOL OK, you're grasping there.
the origins of the hindu caste system and its ideology have nothing whatever to do with the history of black folks in america. they have divergent and completely unrelated histories evolving over, oh i don't know, about 500 years, dilbert. VERY hot take to claim that the intolerance of indians in modi's hindu-extremist india are somehow a 'proof' against BLM's stated wishes.

and no, i'm not reaching much with proud boys. they hang out on the internet all day saying racist things very publicly. they are an organization in which you have to be white (and male) to join. they do hitler salutes at their rallies. let's call white supremacism for what it is, shall we? what more do you want, a sticker or badge?

https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/2020-09-26T193218Z_1850388290_RC2J6J9XXT8V_RTRMADP_3_GLOBAL-RACE-PROTESTS-PORTLAND.jpg?resize=1200%2C630

https://e3.365dm.com/20/09/768x432/skynews-proud-boys-fred-perry_5111505.jpg?20200928102833

https://www.rollingstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/proud-boy-opener.jpg?w=1024

https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/c_fill,g_auto,w_1200,h_675,ar_16:9/https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.cnn.com%2Fcnnnext%2Fdam%2Fassets%2F190926021225-adl-new-hate-symbols.jpg

https://thejewishnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/proud-boys.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_gestur … wer_symbol
https://www.adl.org/education/reference … nd-gesture
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-49837898

oh, what was that i said about 'dogwhistling' and secret gestures/codes being the norm?  my characterization of the alt-right hiding beneath dogwhistles and things like irony/trolling, as opposed to being out-and-out declared white supremacists, is totally correct. same thing with all that 'pepe the frog' and 'kek army' stuff. what started out as edgy teenagers doing things on image-boards 'for the lulz' has developed into groups of people actively patrolling the streets looking to fight people as an initiation rite.

https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/styles/max_650x650/public/2019-04/OkayLarge267x296.jpg?itok=BAkTglHS

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Dilbert_X
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uziq wrote:

'but wait, everyone must be racist all over the world: here's an example from india, which isn't really about race, it's about caste, and is about indians discriminating against other indians, but whatever, i'm making a point somehow!'
People are naturally racist, Indians don't get along with themselves, black Africans don't get along with other black Africans.

Find a great example of African countries cooperating over anything, then let them have supremacy in the west - because they have equality already, supremacy is what it will be.
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