So its our fault not theirs, right.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Speaking for myself, I think it's accepting it as the inevitable conclusion of poor governance and malicious/negligent crisis handling.Dilbert_X wrote:
How many times has uziq said, "well you have to accept burning, looting and graffitiing is a normal part of protest these days"
it’s not a ‘white country’, though, is it? it’s meant to be a multicultural, multi-ethnic, post-imperial country. stop pretending it’s some white ethno-state and you have precedence as a white man.Dilbert_X wrote:
And once again, as a white person living in a white country I wouldn't expect to, however when I've strayed into ethnic enclaves I have based purely on my skin colour.uziq wrote:
i asked you if you’ve ever suffered racism equivalent to those examples, as you were talking about ‘racism’ mostly being a tit-for-tat exchange of banter, and nothing more. this is patently nonsense.Dilbert_X wrote:
Your point was white people are never harassed or killed for being white, the fact is they are.
Black people are just as racist as whites, they're in the minority and downtrodden so you don't really see it, and when you do you dismiss it as a 'reaction'.
This would have never had happened if this man's parents were forced to convert to Christianity in order to live in the U.K.Dilbert_X wrote:
I can remind you of the last time a white person was killed for being in the wrong place in Londonuziq wrote:
remind me the next time a white jogger gets hunted down and shot for being in the wrong area of london.
the men were british-nigerian. they are very christian people. in fact both attackers were raised in christian households.SuperJail Warden wrote:
This would have never had happened if this man's parents were forced to convert to Christianity in order to live in the U.K.Dilbert_X wrote:
I can remind you of the last time a white person was killed for being in the wrong place in Londonuziq wrote:
remind me the next time a white jogger gets hunted down and shot for being in the wrong area of london.
Thats great and all but thats not what I said.uziq wrote:
it’s not a ‘white country’, though, is it? it’s meant to be a multicultural, multi-ethnic, post-imperial country. stop pretending it’s some white ethno-state and you have precedence as a white man.
america has huge latino and black populations. they are entitled to demand equal treatment. it’s rather the whole advertising byline of america, the brochure subtitle. they are not some downtrodden fringe group making special pleading. they’re a huge contingent of the population!
your attitude stinks. it’s ‘too bad, you’re in a white country’. black labour literally built america’s wealth. black culture drives a huge amount of its cultural production today. their protests are valid.
and, again, your experience of being in a turkish neighbourhood one time doesn’t really seem to compare to any number of the incidents i listed above. you haven’t done a very persuasive job.
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They should have converted to Marvel Universe instead of Islamuziq wrote:
the men were british-nigerian. they are very christian people. in fact both attackers were raised in christian households.SuperJail Warden wrote:
This would have never had happened if this man's parents were forced to convert to Christianity in order to live in the U.K.Dilbert_X wrote:
I can remind you of the last time a white person was killed for being in the wrong place in London
Your tolerance is breaking out again.please shut up and fuck off.
tolerance does not mean equal and unending patience with stupidity. you seem confused. tolerating someone’s religious freedom is not the same as listening to macbeth’s non-stop trolling about catholicism.Dilbert_X wrote:
They should have converted to Marvel Universe instead of Islamuziq wrote:
the men were british-nigerian. they are very christian people. in fact both attackers were raised in christian households.SuperJail Warden wrote:
This would have never had happened if this man's parents were forced to convert to Christianity in order to live in the U.K.Your tolerance is breaking out again.please shut up and fuck off.
Well the Islam must have come from somewhere. Islam is a religion from the Middle East. It is not indigenous to the U.K.uziq wrote:
the men were british-nigerian. they are very christian people. in fact both attackers were raised in christian households.SuperJail Warden wrote:
This would have never had happened if this man's parents were forced to convert to Christianity in order to live in the U.K.Dilbert_X wrote:
I can remind you of the last time a white person was killed for being in the wrong place in London
please shut up and fuck off.
The answer is yes.uziq wrote:
nobody has ever hurled invective at me, threatened me, or belittled me because i’m white. have you suffered this?
Christianity has the been the state religion for people living in Britain for thousands of years. Only in the last 70 years has Islam been allowed to migrate into the country with well migrants. I support the migration of good people into western countries. They just need to be baptized Christian or not be allowed in. That's not racism. It would be in their best interest in fact.uziq wrote:
christianity isn’t indigenous to the UK either, dipshit.
go and work on your pet theory on a mouldy subreddit some more.
Why don't you try visiting one of the cultural sewers whose culture you're so keen to shovel into Britain?uziq wrote:
christianity isn’t indigenous to the UK either, dipshit.
go and work on your pet theory on a mouldy subreddit some more.
i’m not shovelling any culture on the UK. i live in a liberal democracy and one of its central tenets is equality for all citizens. doesn’t seem very complicated to me. meanwhile you’re talking about ‘white countries’. you seem confused.Dilbert_X wrote:
Why don't you try visiting one of the cultural sewers whose culture you're so keen to shovel into Britain?uziq wrote:
christianity isn’t indigenous to the UK either, dipshit.
go and work on your pet theory on a mouldy subreddit some more.
Then maybe you'll have something to talk about.
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also the ‘indigenous’ state religion can only be argued back to henry viii, so a few centuries at most. before that it was literally a roman church, i.e. endogenous and not indigenous. please stop committing historical abuse.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Christianity has the been the state religion for people living in Britain for thousands of years. Only in the last 70 years has Islam been allowed to migrate into the country with well migrants. I support the migration of good people into western countries. They just need to be baptized Christian or not be allowed in. That's not racism. It would be in their best interest in fact.uziq wrote:
christianity isn’t indigenous to the UK either, dipshit.
go and work on your pet theory on a mouldy subreddit some more.
If you're going to argue christianity isn't part of british culture can we agree jews don't belong in the levant?uziq wrote:
also the ‘indigenous’ state religion can only be argued back to henry viii, so a few centuries at most. before that it was literally a roman church, i.e. endogenous and not indigenous. please stop committing historical abuse.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Christianity has the been the state religion for people living in Britain for thousands of years. Only in the last 70 years has Islam been allowed to migrate into the country with well migrants. I support the migration of good people into western countries. They just need to be baptized Christian or not be allowed in. That's not racism. It would be in their best interest in fact.uziq wrote:
christianity isn’t indigenous to the UK either, dipshit.
go and work on your pet theory on a mouldy subreddit some more.
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No.Dilbert_X wrote:
So its our fault not theirs, right.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Speaking for myself, I think it's accepting it as the inevitable conclusion of poor governance and malicious/negligent crisis handling.Dilbert_X wrote:
How many times has uziq said, "well you have to accept burning, looting and graffitiing is a normal part of protest these days"
This is a weird one to bring up by way of comparison. The NAACP and even Turnbull commented on it. Noor was convicted of third degree murder and second degree manslaughter and afaik is serving time, and not being shunted back onto the force with a slap on the wrist.Did whites go on the rampage over Justine Damond?
In the time of Shakespeare, were there Mosque in London? No. According to Wikipedia, the first mosque in the U.K. was built in 1889. There is a major difference between having Muslim visitors and letting the Muslims recruit within Christian communities with state protection. And the good Iberian Catholics did eventually expel Islam like the west needs to do nowadays. And note, I said Islam and not people. The Muslim Arabs of Europe can become good Christians like the Lebanese that resisted Islamic terrorism for decades.uziq wrote:
islam and berbers/moors have been present in the UK since shakespeare’s time. spain, our neighbour, was an islamic kingdom for most of the middle ages. christian scholars and islamic scholars exchanged ideas and texts.
the UK was involved with the middle-east from the collapse of the ottoman empire onwards.
please stop making out that islam is some new-fangled presence or idea. it is *checks notes* ‘historical abuse’.
no. wow you are illiterate.Dilbert_X wrote:
If you're going to argue christianity isn't part of british culture can we agree jews don't belong in the levant?uziq wrote:
also the ‘indigenous’ state religion can only be argued back to henry viii, so a few centuries at most. before that it was literally a roman church, i.e. endogenous and not indigenous. please stop committing historical abuse.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Christianity has the been the state religion for people living in Britain for thousands of years. Only in the last 70 years has Islam been allowed to migrate into the country with well migrants. I support the migration of good people into western countries. They just need to be baptized Christian or not be allowed in. That's not racism. It would be in their best interest in fact.
I mean, they weren't there before they were there were they?
Isn't Judaism native to Egypt?
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Noor only got 12 years in prison which again shows cop privilege exist and transcends race. Would your average black non-cop guy in Minnesota get only 12 years for shooting a white woman in the chest?unnamednewbie13 wrote:
No.Dilbert_X wrote:
So its our fault not theirs, right.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Speaking for myself, I think it's accepting it as the inevitable conclusion of poor governance and malicious/negligent crisis handling.This is a weird one to bring up by way of comparison. The NAACP and even Turnbull commented on it. Noor was convicted of third degree murder and second degree manslaughter and afaik is serving time, and not being shunted back onto the force with a slap on the wrist.Did whites go on the rampage over Justine Damond?
That said, he didn't chase her down and shoot her in the back. He didn't kneel on her neck or put her in a dangerous chokehold. He didn't kick her in the face while she was already on the ground and cuffed. From what the public has been informed, it was a regrettable reflex shot by one of the two nervous officers checking the area.
What do you think the exceptional feature of this incident really is, dilbert?
That's kind of a cherry pick in a sea of officers who slide back into their jobs despite complaints of excess force. That said, I wonder what charges (and a more cynical part of me adding "if any") Officer Chauvin would have faced if not for the fallout.Dilbert_X wrote:
Is the George Floyd officer "back onto the force with a slap on the wrist"?
I'm just saying what they said it was, not what I know it was. I don't know, because their body cams weren't on at the time. Apparently his partner drew but didn't point, but Noor drew and shot."Regrettable reflex shot" LMAO
