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Jay wrote:

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Jay wrote:


Oldest son and my two youngest brothers.
How old were you and why didn't your brothers learn at school?
I'm 10 and 14 years older than them. They, like my son, learned to read before kindergarten.
So you spent your high school years teaching them to read? That sounds like child abuse.
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

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That's not what I meant by boot camp style. I am talking more about the culture and environment. From what I understand it is a meat head locker room environment. I am not saying the thing needs to be like college but perhaps it should be more of an academic learning environment than an U.S. Army boot camp. We can't really be surprised when cops have an urban commando mindset when we use the same training system we train infantry for.

I keep making comparisons between my teacher training and certification and police stuff. It seems like police have built up a system that encourages a certain personality type while also discouraging more thoughtful people. And the results show.
https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confession … 14d17bc759
All Cops Are Bastards. There I said the thing.

I honestly dread going through the process of becoming a cop especially the the boot camp part. I don't look forward to having to make friends, placate, and get along with pig men. Same reason why I wouldn't want to join a yacht club or motorcycle club or frat. I am not going to put myself into a situation to be bullied or hazed.
Don't fucking do it then. You have better opportunities than to be a man among pigs.
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

All Cops Are Bastards. There I said the thing.

I honestly dread going through the process of becoming a cop especially the the boot camp part. I don't look forward to having to make friends, placate, and get along with pig men. Same reason why I wouldn't want to join a yacht club or motorcycle club or frat. I am not going to put myself into a situation to be bullied or hazed.
Don't fucking do it then. You have better opportunities than to be a man among pigs.
But I really want a teacher wife.

Male police officers are most likely to marry female or male elementary- and middle-school teachers.
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Why not become an artist by that thinking. Also allows the gay option.
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RTHKI wrote:

Why not become an artist by that thinking. Also allows the gay option.
Macbeth is probably aware that people getting in on the illustrator scene will possibly resort to furry porn commissions to make a living.

Though he could get his start by partially fulfilling dilbert's desire for a butthole cut of Cats '19, but in the form of pages.
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

http://womenandpolicing.com/violenceFS.asp

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10 … 0510368156

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/D … 96d87c4a4d

You have a higher than average likelihood of beating your teacher wife if you become a cop.
That would never happen with me. I have proven over the decade here that I am a champion for women's health and rights. And I am not weird about women.
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RTHKI wrote:

Why not become an artist by that thinking. Also allows the gay option.
Thinking it over...if I become a cop, art teachers are off the table. No hipster/hippy art teacher wants to marry "the man". All they want to do is smoke weed and be strange. And only the art teachers do the things with hair I like and play dress up.
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

http://womenandpolicing.com/violenceFS.asp

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10 … 0510368156

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/D … 96d87c4a4d

You have a higher than average likelihood of beating your teacher wife if you become a cop.
That would never happen with me. I have proven over the decade here that I am a champion for women's health and rights. And I am not weird about women.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vjBW3XqCDI
You literally talk about women like they are objects.
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

http://womenandpolicing.com/violenceFS.asp

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10 … 0510368156

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/D … 96d87c4a4d

You have a higher than average likelihood of beating your teacher wife if you become a cop.
That would never happen with me. I have proven over the decade here that I am a champion for women's health and rights. And I am not weird about women.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vjBW3XqCDI
You literally talk about women like they are objects.
No I don't. I think you are confused. I created the #MeToo thread to promote women's rights and the tranny thread to protect their bathrooms.
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RTHKI
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You sound like Trump
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SuperJail Warden
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And you should be watching the Simpsons video I posted.
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Excerpt from interview:

Bernie Sanders Is Not Done Fighting 6/9
https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-new- … e-fighting

In that letter to Schumer, you got some pushback from some of your supporters for a proposal to give better resources to police departments. [The letter argued for “ensuring that the resources are available to pay wages that will attract the top tier officers.”] The criticism was that a lot of people in the progressive movement now are calling for defunding or abolishing the police. Do you—
Do I think we should not have police departments in America? No, I don’t. There’s no city in the world that does not have police departments. What you need are—I didn’t call for more money for police departments. I called for police departments that have well-educated, well-trained, well-paid professionals. And, too often around this country right now, you have police officers who take the job at very low payment, don’t have much education, don’t have much training—and I want to change that. I also called for the transformation of police departments into—understanding that many police departments and cops deal every day with issues of mental illness, deal with issues of addiction, and all kinds of issues which should be dealt with by mental-health professionals or others, and not just by police officers.

I think we want to redefine what police departments do, give them the support they need to make their jobs better defined. So I do believe that we need well-trained, well-educated, and well-paid professionals in police departments. Anyone who thinks that we should abolish all police departments in America, I don’t agree.
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Jay wrote:

Larssen wrote:

How is anything in my second paragraph invalidated? It applies to any educational system anywhere. I know the first paragraph might hurt your feelings but let's not have that cloud our judgment now.
If someone is a fourth grade teacher, they teach fourth graders all day. If someone is a 6th grade history teacher, they teach 6th grade history all day, with the same textbook and the same lesson plan, all day. Odds are good they will teach the same subject and the same grade level for the duration of their career. They're not asked to go outside their competency, and no one is asking them their opinion. It requires about the same level of competency as running a mule team. They spend roughly 75-90% of their time trying to overcome stubborn obstinacy and stupidity, and the rest actually getting work done.
Same argument for someone teaching university maths, all they need is to be able to talk to a powerpoint, photocopy handouts and take roll call.

Teaching well isn't a simple thing.

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Jay
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Jay wrote:

Larssen wrote:

How is anything in my second paragraph invalidated? It applies to any educational system anywhere. I know the first paragraph might hurt your feelings but let's not have that cloud our judgment now.
If someone is a fourth grade teacher, they teach fourth graders all day. If someone is a 6th grade history teacher, they teach 6th grade history all day, with the same textbook and the same lesson plan, all day. Odds are good they will teach the same subject and the same grade level for the duration of their career. They're not asked to go outside their competency, and no one is asking them their opinion. It requires about the same level of competency as running a mule team. They spend roughly 75-90% of their time trying to overcome stubborn obstinacy and stupidity, and the rest actually getting work done.
Same argument for someone teaching university maths, all they need is to be able to talk to a powerpoint, photocopy handouts and take roll call.

Teaching well isn't a simple thing.
Agreed. Teaching well has to do with people skills, inherent talent, and passion, but it also requires a student body that is motivated and wants to learn. Some teachers have the genuine ability to  make their less willing students care about the subject they are teaching, as passion, in the right environment, is contagious. However, all the teaching talent, advanced degrees, latest techniques, and passion, in the world will fail when faced with the nihilism found in lower income schools.
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people who take postgraduate teaching certification also do a lot of study into, er, teaching and education itself, you know. constructivist approaches, psychology, behaviourism, various theories and approaches to learning and cognition. there's a lot more to being a teacher than just disseminating stuff from worksheets, pre-prepared lectures and course syllabi.

christ, jay, nihilism really is one of your hobby-horses, isn't it? very few people are nihilists. nihilism is an extreme philosophical position. find a new five-dollar word to describe demoralized or disadvantaged classrooms. 12 year olds are not 'nihilists'.
Jay
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What word would you use to describe an underclass that doesn't care about anything because they have no hope for a future that doesn't involve jail, drugs, and an early death? What word would you use to describe the same people that think learning is pointless, that everything is pointless, except for ephemeral pleasures?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
SuperJail Warden
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Jay wrote:

What word would you use to describe an underclass that doesn't care about anything because they have no hope for a future that doesn't involve jail, drugs, and an early death? What word would you use to describe the same people that think learning is pointless, that everything is pointless, except for ephemeral pleasures?
Culture of Poverty.
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Jay
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Jay wrote:

What word would you use to describe an underclass that doesn't care about anything because they have no hope for a future that doesn't involve jail, drugs, and an early death? What word would you use to describe the same people that think learning is pointless, that everything is pointless, except for ephemeral pleasures?
Culture of Poverty.
Rhymes with Bacchanalian
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
SuperJail Warden
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Wat
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Jay wrote:

What word would you use to describe an underclass that doesn't care about anything because they have no hope for a future that doesn't involve jail, drugs, and an early death? What word would you use to describe the same people that think learning is pointless, that everything is pointless, except for ephemeral pleasures?
that's not nihilism, sorry.

also bacchanalia is cognate with hedonism, with dionysian excess, with sybaritism.

you get 'bacchanalian' at oxford private dining societies full of the entitled children of the super-rich, not in inner city schools.

please stop using words and philosophies you have no clue about except for their haphazard use in national review comment sections.
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Jay wrote:

Agreed. Teaching well has to do with people skills, inherent talent, and passion, but it also requires a student body that is motivated and wants to learn. Some teachers have the genuine ability to  make their less willing students care about the subject they are teaching, as passion, in the right environment, is contagious. However, all the teaching talent, advanced degrees, latest techniques, and passion, in the world will fail when faced with the nihilism found in lower income schools.
Just think, if american kids weren't so obnoxious they'd learn a lot more.

As a kid watching ET I was astounded at how nasty and badly behaved the kids were.
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Jay wrote:

What word would you use to describe an underclass that doesn't care about anything because they have no hope for a future that doesn't involve jail, drugs, and an early death? What word would you use to describe the same people that think learning is pointless, that everything is pointless, except for ephemeral pleasures?
Americans?
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i do think it's really funny that american conservatives refer to its disengaged and disadvantaged underclass as 'nihilists'. like there's some infectious strain of philosophy that has taken root and has radicalized them. nietzsche meets ISIS.

'what possibly can the problem be with all these underperforming african-american youths?'
'sir, they are nihilists'.
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