BF2S Forums another example of why liberals have their heads in the sand.

Spumantiii wrote:

I ain't got the patience.  Change the constitution??  Burn flags??  Laws doing harm??  I don't know where to start.  Talk about appreciation there is so much irony in all of it..  And good job The Media, for making libs look like the enemy.  Remember you're talking about American Dems not liberal people..      That's a classic example of what I was talking about.   Btw the reps are trying to change the constitution, and more southern rep voters burn union jacks as far as I know than any other Americans this is such bs.  Who put you up to thinking like that?  I bet it was your constituent rep reps.   
Good luck Cameron.

Don't call people idiots in a spelling-challenged post

To bad all the media is liberal.

the media is liberal, the cops are liberal, your football team are liberals, the next door neighbor mailman and milkman are liberals, the bus driver's a goddamn liberal too, friggin commies, why can't I just open up a sludge factory and empty it into the river, and hire workers from other countries for no money where there are no unions, and tax the people while saying I won't, why?  What the hell is wrong with these assholes, why can't I have a gun, just because I can't read?  Why can't we just occupy any land we feel like?  And why oh why are those goddamn whiny libs still getting on my case?  Screw internationally recognized standards and institutions that provide justice for others.  Goddamn fags and their gay marriages.  Bless the lord, jesus died for our sins.  Now why can't we go hunting for some a-rabs and some fricken liberals?  Why should I care if my family has problems with increasing cost of living?  I bought a house with the money I made on sludge.  Screw them.  All the money I made from deadbeat foreigners (screw them too) means I can pay for my shit, so who cares about anyone else?  Why should I give a shit about those who voted for me?  If you can't afford an operation, you're dead, sucker haha.  Damn, when something bad in the world happens, can't I just watch the football game or play golf instead?  Wait!  If something happens in MY country then you better bet you're gonna pay!  Why the hell should I care what people think?  Go sludge!  What the hell is france good for anyway?  Parking lot- let's nuke em with

nuc-yeller weapons

Last edited by Spumantiii (2006-09-03 15:13:01)

you'd be surprised to find out those people don't necessarily represent liberal viewpoints, and are more likely just trying to 1 up on the local reps they face.   Both parties are JUST as guilty of this.

I heard about 10 new Dems that are all vets of American gulf wars.  There is only 1 for the reps.  War vets know the current rep system is not working for them as well as it should, since they foot most of the bill for what this round of reps is doing, and that goes against the right idealogue.  So does allowing stem cell research (private but not public), even though it should benefit the public, and not pharmaceutical giants.  So too with the laws regarding peoples' freedoms, and the constitution has been labelled, under this admin, as 'unsuitable'  [FBI and CIA]. 

What it comes down to is this:  Would you take a bill just because it came from your party, even if you disagree with it?  What comes first, people's welfare or the govts?  If I disagree then it's my democratic responsibility to say something: that's called patriotism.  Patriotism does not mean everyone agreeing with the govt, it means doing what's best for your fellow countrymen/women.

Liberal thinking has resulted in unmeasurable advances in technology, medicine, space travel, quality of life, and FREEDOM.  Let's not forget the freedom ideal is on the left side not the right.  The right wants absolute political control.  Forget the labels politicians put on themselves and judge them by their policies.

Last edited by Spumantiii (2006-09-03 15:57:22)

Phantom2828 wrote:

All of my experiences with liberals has been unsatifactory. To me liberal means those idiots that are always trying to bann guns leave Iraq and afganistan and to put it bluntly fuck this country over. They think backwards its like they have selective seeing and hearing. Always trying to change the constitution. Major feel good shit laws that will do more harm then good. My image of a liberal is some skinny little pussy that dosnt have one ounce of appretiation for his country or the soldiers that died to give him his right to burn the flag. Extream propaganda absolutle shit like that ranger story thread a while ago. The people that support the fucking terrorists if you look at the quotes from them they say the same thing as osama! Why dont they go live with some terrrorists they seem to defend them so much lets see how long intill they get beheaded and throw in a river. I understand not all liberals are like this but the leaders and the majority are. You guys should see the picture of a george bush rally and a john kerry rally the difference is the flags are showing only at Bush's rally. Liberals are the idiots who oppose tapping phone calls to and from know terrorists. Imagine if the phones would have been tapped on 9/11. O yeah for you libs that say tapping phones is illegal the president is granted certain abilitys in war time. If I think of any more I wil edit. They dont seem to understand that those "Freedom fighters" would kill you and your family without a flinch.

Right, let's decipher your catch-all post and deal with your points one by one.

1) 'All my experiences with liberals has been unsatisfactory'. What, pray tell, do you mean by that? You found that certain people didn't agree with you? *Shock Horror*. I don't get what you mean by that sentence, it sounds sinister almost. Please expand on it.

2) 'To me liberals are...' - tar large number of INDIVIDUALS with the same brush much!? LOL. I have great difficulty with the constant categorisation of people on these forums. By default if you support one viewpoint people presume you to hold a raft of additional stereotypical viewpoints. Newsflash: people can hold a variety of views on different issues that do not fit the 'black or white', 'good or evil', binary world view you appear to hold.

3) 'Skinny little pussy' - what a childish and retarded statement. The statement speaks volumes about you.

4) Maybe you have difficulty interpreting complex sentences and paragraphs but I think you won't find any instance of anyone, let alone a 'liberal' if you want to use your pigeon-holing, who writes in support of terrorist activity. You seem to be the picture postcard FOX news lapdog who has little if any understanding of the outside world. Go to point 7 for more on this.

5) Fighting a war in Iraq is securing your freedom how? Fighting a war in Iraq is diminishing terror how? Fighting a war in Iraq is not putting American lives at risk how? Everyone owes the troops of their nation their unqualified support but everyone also owes it to the troops to rise up in protest at government lies, malpractice and unjust wars so that their lives are not needlessly and non-chalantly put in danger any longer, by people who swan around in Armani suits, eating foie gras and sipping fine champagne, and who have little appreciation for the sacrifices troops are asked to make for their country.

6) Wasn't there a detailed CIA report which stated Al Qaeda planned to use planes to attack America BEFORE 9/11? And at about the same time Bush cut anti-terror funding? Who needs phone taps when you already were told what was going to happen!! The government you seem to have such blind faith in failed you there buddy.

7) 'Those freedom fighters will kill you and your family without a flinch'. That's funny - I thought I saw two reporters from the PRO-ISRAELI FOX news channel released from captivity in Palestine recently. I must have imagined it. LOL. I survived TWO WHOLE WEEKS there - it must be some sort of miracle. Seriously - you seem to have issues with differentiation here. I support the causes of various movements that are actually noble - like the liberation of Palestine, etc. I don't always endorse the methods used and I certainly don't lump TRUE terrorists like Al Qaeda in the same category as the likes of the PLO. The middle east is a complex place with myriad factions with different causes and grievances. Read up, improve your understanding and then start making rational non-general comments.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-09-04 03:38:34)

lowing wrote:

These terrorists and their agenda have been discussed tirelessly by both sides. I am merely showing you another example  that their intentions are no less than world convertion to Islam. Not the abandonment of Iraq or Israel which has been widely suggested by the left.

Fundamentalism doesn't represent the whole of Islam. I'm sure you've been given the domestic equivalent of abortion clinic bombers before.

But hey, don't let me interrupt your egomaniacal genocide-in-the-making.

Last edited by Skexis (2006-09-03 16:40:11)

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

lowing, have you watched the full video yet

This video merely attempts to dispel the myths around Islam.  He talks about what Muslims believe, the differences between Christianity, Judaism and polythesic religions.  The stated motives are lifting the shroud of mystery to stop Americans being afraid of Islam, and show them that there is no need to be ignorant of Muslims and religion in this day and age.  He explains why the American version of forced democracy is not needed by Muslims, and isn't too happy with the methods and hollow gestures of the Televangelists.  At no point does he say "convert or die".  The message is "convert or go to hell" and that is what all the other religions say.  He says that their message was never that they want to slit the throat kill unbelievers, the message has always been to invite all to join their religion, even the most obsinate enemy, but they they will fight to defend their religion, life and liberty if forced.

btw George Galloway gets a special mention for his sympathy and consideration of Muslims, but out of concern they invite him to convert because he's still damned to the hellfire if he doesn't.

All in all the whole tone of the video is not American are unredeemable sinners who must die, more like we care about the people in West and think you'd be better off with Islam.   It doesn't say that they want to kill Americans, more that Americans cannot win a fight against a religion and will continue to be killed if they try.

The way you pander to these fuckers is really really sickening unorginalnuttah. THERE IS NO explanation you can defend, no reason you can offer, no excuse you can conjure, that is going to make me believe these fuckers are anything less than insane. Your defending them and forgiving them and actually wanting to listen to them after all they have done is nauseating. But I guess you wouldn't earn the label of a lab dog without those qualities huh?

lowing is stupid.

does he know about christian missionaries?

CameronPoe wrote:

Phantom2828 wrote:

All of my experiences with liberals has been unsatifactory. To me liberal means those idiots that are always trying to bann guns leave Iraq and afganistan and to put it bluntly fuck this country over. They think backwards its like they have selective seeing and hearing. Always trying to change the constitution. Major feel good shit laws that will do more harm then good. My image of a liberal is some skinny little pussy that dosnt have one ounce of appretiation for his country or the soldiers that died to give him his right to burn the flag. Extream propaganda absolutle shit like that ranger story thread a while ago. The people that support the fucking terrorists if you look at the quotes from them they say the same thing as osama! Why dont they go live with some terrrorists they seem to defend them so much lets see how long intill they get beheaded and throw in a river. I understand not all liberals are like this but the leaders and the majority are. You guys should see the picture of a george bush rally and a john kerry rally the difference is the flags are showing only at Bush's rally. Liberals are the idiots who oppose tapping phone calls to and from know terrorists. Imagine if the phones would have been tapped on 9/11. O yeah for you libs that say tapping phones is illegal the president is granted certain abilitys in war time. If I think of any more I wil edit. They dont seem to understand that those "Freedom fighters" would kill you and your family without a flinch.

Right, let's decipher your catch-all post and deal with your points one by one.

1) 'All my experiences with liberals has been unsatisfactory'. What, pray tell, do you mean by that? You found that certain people didn't agree with you? *Shock Horror*. I don't get what you mean by that sentence, it sounds sinister almost. Please expand on it.

2) 'To me liberals are...' - tar large number of INDIVIDUALS with the same brush much!? LOL. I have great difficulty with the constant categorisation of people on these forums. By default if you support one viewpoint people presume you to hold a raft of additional stereotypical viewpoints. Newsflash: people can hold a variety of views on different issues that do not fit the 'black or white', 'good or evil', binary world view you appear to hold.

3) 'Skinny little pussy' - what a childish and retarded statement. The statement speaks volumes about you.

4) Maybe you have difficulty interpreting complex sentences and paragraphs but I think you won't find any instance of anyone, let alone a 'liberal' if you want to use your pigeon-holing, who writes in support of terrorist activity. You seem to be the picture postcard FOX news lapdog who has little if any understanding of the outside world. Go to point 7 for more on this.

5) Fighting a war in Iraq is securing your freedom how? Fighting a war in Iraq is diminishing terror how? Fighting a war in Iraq is not putting American lives at risk how? Everyone owes the troops of their nation their unqualified support but everyone also owes it to the troops to rise up in protest at government lies, malpractice and unjust wars so that their lives are not needlessly and non-chalantly put in danger any longer, by people who swan around in Armani suits, eating foie gras and sipping fine champagne, and who have little appreciation for the sacrifices troops are asked to make for their country.

6) Wasn't there a detailed CIA report which stated Al Qaeda planned to use planes to attack America BEFORE 9/11? And at about the same time Bush cut anti-terror funding? Who needs phone taps when you already were told what was going to happen!! The government you seem to have such blind faith in failed you there buddy.

7) 'Those freedom fighters will kill you and your family without a flinch'. That's funny - I thought I saw two reporters from the PRO-ISRAELI FOX news channel released from captivity in Palestine recently. I must have imagined it. LOL. I survived TWO WHOLE WEEKS there - it must be some sort of miracle. Seriously - you seem to have issues with differentiation here. I support the causes of various movements that are actually noble - like the liberation of Palestine, etc. I don't always endorse the methods used and I certainly don't lump TRUE terrorists like Al Qaeda in the same category as the likes of the PLO. The middle east is a complex place with myriad factions with different causes and grievances. Read up, improve your understanding and then start making rational non-general comments.

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1.No what I mean is almost all the liberals I have met are complete dumbasses.
2.Yes Yes generalizing. I am not induvidualy going to write about each and every liberal. I am talking about the general leadership of the liberals.

3.look around you
4.Nice job with the insults it sure helps your already losing argument.
5.Read this and dont instantly dissmiss it as Neo con shit. http://www.rightwingnews.com/category.php?ent=2987 now please stfu about stuff you know nothing about.
6.9/11 was almost all clintons fault.
7.Yes I know about the different terrorist organizations but realy what does it matter I dont give a shit if you are fucking shooting rockets at my kids I am going to kill you regardless.

Phantom2828 wrote:

I think the liberals you are talking about from where you are from are completly diffent from the liberals in the U.S you keep describing things about conservitives not all but some.

Sorry phatom, but the definition of liberal is the same everywhere. Maybe you're more liberal than you think.

lowing wrote:

The way you pander to these fuckers is really really sickening unorginalnuttah. THERE IS NO explanation you can defend, no reason you can offer, no excuse you can conjure, that is going to make me believe these fuckers are anything less than insane. Your defending them and forgiving them and actually wanting to listen to them after all they have done is nauseating. But I guess you wouldn't earn the label of a lab dog without those qualities huh?

Exactly, so why bother coming here lowing. The rest of us are willing to consider all points of view. But as you have stated there is nothing we can say that will change your mind so why do you post on this site? Your worldview is childish and simplistic to say the least, you see only in black and white and have way too much faith in what you see on tv. You have a lot to learn but you don't seem to want to hear it unless it agrees with what you already think. So why do you come to the Debate section you never present anything except blatantly partisan pablum and arguments that Rush Limbaugh would be embarrassed to make.

lowing wrote:

JimmyBotswana wrote:

lowing wrote:

The way you pander to these fuckers is really really sickening unorginalnuttah. THERE IS NO explanation you can defend, no reason you can offer, no excuse you can conjure, that is going to make me believe these fuckers are anything less than insane. Your defending them and forgiving them and actually wanting to listen to them after all they have done is nauseating. But I guess you wouldn't earn the label of a lab dog without those qualities huh?

Exactly, so why bother coming here lowing. The rest of us are willing to consider all points of view. But as you have stated there is nothing we can say that will change your mind so why do you post on this site? Your worldview is childish and simplistic to say the least, you see only in black and white and have way too much faith in what you see on tv. You have a lot to learn but you don't seem to want to hear it unless it agrees with what you already think. So why do you come to the Debate section you never present anything except blatantly partisan pablum and arguments that Rush Limbaugh would be embarrassed to make.

Ahhh, I am not open minded enough for you is that it??

Ya mean there really is a good reason why I should forgive, forget, pander, convert, negotiate, succumb, listen to, sympathize, justify and understand terrorists and their blowing up innocent civilians??? Please by all means, I am all ears.

I think he means that not all terrorists are the same witch I am sure you know I do but not that it realy matters if you kill 3000 of my own or launch rockets at my kids schools or blow yourself up in schools (like in russian) or in hotels restraunts you are the same to me and will be destroyed no matter how "Just" you consider yourself.

lowing wrote:

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

lowing, have you watched the full video yet

This video merely attempts to dispel the myths around Islam.  He talks about what Muslims believe, the differences between Christianity, Judaism and polythesic religions.  The stated motives are lifting the shroud of mystery to stop Americans being afraid of Islam, and show them that there is no need to be ignorant of Muslims and religion in this day and age.  He explains why the American version of forced democracy is not needed by Muslims, and isn't too happy with the methods and hollow gestures of the Televangelists.  At no point does he say "convert or die".  The message is "convert or go to hell" and that is what all the other religions say.  He says that their message was never that they want to slit the throat kill unbelievers, the message has always been to invite all to join their religion, even the most obsinate enemy, but they they will fight to defend their religion, life and liberty if forced.

btw George Galloway gets a special mention for his sympathy and consideration of Muslims, but out of concern they invite him to convert because he's still damned to the hellfire if he doesn't.

All in all the whole tone of the video is not American are unredeemable sinners who must die, more like we care about the people in West and think you'd be better off with Islam.   It doesn't say that they want to kill Americans, more that Americans cannot win a fight against a religion and will continue to be killed if they try.

The way you pander to these fuckers is really really sickening unorginalnuttah. THERE IS NO explanation you can defend, no reason you can offer, no excuse you can conjure, that is going to make me believe these fuckers are anything less than insane. Your defending them and forgiving them and actually wanting to listen to them after all they have done is nauseating. But I guess you wouldn't earn the label of a lab dog without those qualities huh?

I still give America a chance after all it's atrocities.  Don't pretend it has a spotless record.