BF2S Forums another example of why liberals have their heads in the sand.

Sorry lowing, if liberals have their head in the sand, than neo-conservatives have their heads up their asses.

I'm not going to try to convince you, because tons of people have wasted tons of time trying to as well.  Next time, make an unoffensive, unbiased post and maybe we'll post what we think.  But, right of the start, you assume you're right and we're wrong.  How will this ever be a good debate?

Last edited by Spearhead (2006-09-02 17:41:55)

Spearhead wrote:

Sorry lowing, if liberals have their head in the sand, than neo-conservatives have their heads up their asses.

I'm not going to try to convince you, because tons of people have wasted tons of time trying to as well.  Next time, make an unoffensive, unbiased post and maybe we'll post what we think.  But, right of the start, you assume you're right and we're wrong.  How will this ever be a good debate?

Ahhh, but no response to the video I see.

I might agree with you there, the Republicans are really letting me down on many issues.


  These terrorists and their agenda have been discussed tirelessly by both sides. I am merely showing you another example  that their intentions are no less than world convertion to Islam. Not the abandonment of Iraq or Israel which has been widely suggested by the left.

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Spearhead wrote:

lowing wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

Sorry lowing, if liberals have their head in the sand, than neo-conservatives have their heads up their asses.

I'm not going to try to convince you, because tons of people have wasted tons of time trying to as well.  Next time, make an unoffensive, unbiased post and maybe we'll post what we think.  But, right of the start, you assume you're right and we're wrong.  How will this ever be a good debate?

Ahhh, but no response to the video I see.

I might agree with you there, the Republicans are really letting me down on many issues.

Did you read what I JUST wrote?  I have a response, but I'm not going to bother writing it.  It would be a waste.

yeah i read your respponse, but you edited it AFTER I responded...sorry

so read up again please

Last edited by lowing (2006-09-02 17:50:05)

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

lowing wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

Sorry lowing, if liberals have their head in the sand, than neo-conservatives have their heads up their asses.

I'm not going to try to convince you, because tons of people have wasted tons of time trying to as well.  Next time, make an unoffensive, unbiased post and maybe we'll post what we think.  But, right of the start, you assume you're right and we're wrong.  How will this ever be a good debate?

Ahhh, but no response to the video I see.

I might agree with you there, the Republicans are really letting me down on many issues.

How is anyone going to have watched the video yet lowing?  It's 48 minutes long, give me a chance.  I'll have plenty to say when I've watched the whole thing tomorrow.

Glad to see that you've got plenty to say without hearing both sides, but wouldn't expect less of you.

Inviting someone to join your religion because you might die tomorrow and be damned in hell is also a Christian characteristic.  So the quote you mention means absolutely fuck all given that Evangelical preachers say exactly the same fucking thing all the fucking time.

I really had no idea when the video came out. I assumed you already watched by the way you were defending it. Shoulda known you would defend it feverishly. Again re read what I said about it. I don't give a shit what else is said. The quote speaks volumes to me.

Also, We are not talking about some abscure cleric in some desert shit hole somewhere. We are talking about the number 2 man behind the biggest terrorist network in the world. Big difference, since they have tried to remain true to their word as far as carrying out attacks.

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What's your point?  They want people to convert to Islam.  Is this supposed to be news?

Could you expand? What does 'liberal' mean to you?

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/09/02/zawahiri.tape/index.html


Can't wait to hear how this is gunna be dismissed away by the left. Or how pulling out of Iraq is going to bring peace to the world.


My personal favorite part. 

"We invite all Americans and believers to Islam, whatever their role and status in Bush and Blair's world order," Gadahn says. "Decide today, because today could be your last day."

'how pulling out of Iraq is going to bring peace to the world' - did any liberal suggest that peace on earth would result from withdrawing from the western occupation of Iraq? You have warped views about what you would describe as 'liberal' thinking. LOL

PS This guy is some fucking retard in a cave in some barren desert in the asshole of nowhere. You paying a blind bit of attention to his tired rhetoric is a victory for Al Qaeda. The west has little to fear, please engage brain.

Ahhhh yeah, all you guys say is for us to try and understand them, and you use Iraq and Israel as to why they are hostile toward us.

As far as this "fucking retard" goes, he is number 2 in the same organization that headed up 911, Spain, London etc.....your attitude is the classic reason why you are accused of having your head in the sand.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Ahhhh yeah, all you guys say is for us to try and understand them, and you use Iraq and Israel as to why they are hostile toward us.

As far as this "fucking retard" goes, he is number 2 in the same organization that headed up 911, Spain, London etc.....your attitude is the classic reason why you are accused of having your head in the sand.

I don't think you understand guerrilla warfare Lowing. We have a lot of experience of it here in Ireland. Our country was liberated with guerrilla warfare. 'Al Qaeda' is merely a label people who commit a particular aggressive act against the west use to rubber stamp their action. Leadership in cell-based guerrilla warfare is practically non-existent. You seem to have swallowed the 'big bad mega-evil enemy with a base in a hollowed out volcano' BS. No one man 'headed up' the Spain or London bombings. It's an ethos not an organisation. Osama gave NOTHING that actively contirbuted to the London or Madrid bombings bar his extremely sporadic 'addresses to the nation'. You really must differentiate criminality from actual warfare.

Tell it to the dead Cameronpoe, I am sure they give a fuck about the difference. All the rest is just smoke filled BS.

They have now posted their agenda for America, and Iraq and Israel HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!! yet, you liberals still won't defend....God help us in 2008

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Ahhhh yeah, all you guys say is for us to try and understand them, and you use Iraq and Israel as to why they are hostile toward us.

As far as this "fucking retard" goes, he is number 2 in the same organization that headed up 911, Spain, London etc.....your attitude is the classic reason why you are accused of having your head in the sand.

I don't think you understand guerrilla warfare Lowing. We have a lot of experience of it here in Ireland. Our country was liberated with guerrilla warfare. 'Al Qaeda' is merely a label people who commit a particular aggressive act against the west use to rubber stamp their action. Leadership in cell-based guerrilla warfare is practically non-existent. You seem to have swallowed the 'big bad mega-evil enemy with a base in a hollowed out volcano' BS. No one man 'headed up' the Spain or London bombings. It's an ethos not an organisation. Osama gave NOTHING that actively contirbuted to the London or Madrid bombings bar his extremely sporadic 'addresses to the nation'. You really must differentiate criminality from actual warfare.

Tell it to the dead Cameronpoe, I am sure they give a fuck about the difference. All the rest is just smoke filled BS.

They have now posted their agenda for America, and Iraq and Israel HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!! yet, you liberals still won't defend....God help us in 2008

You really think we face any realistic threat from these monkeys that can't be combatted with watertight domestic security? Gimme a break. The focus should be on defence not on attack. Especially when you don't know who exactly it is you are supposed to be attacking! Poorly focussed 'attack' heightens the threat of further terrorism, not diminishes it.

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lowing wrote:

The_Shipbuilder wrote:

lowing wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/09/02/zawahiri.tape/index.html


Can't wait to hear how this is gunna be dismissed away by the left. Or how pulling out of Iraq is going to bring peace to the world.


My personal favorite part. 

"We invite all Americans and believers to Islam, whatever their role and status in Bush and Blair's world order," Gadahn says. "Decide today, because today could be your last day."

Some shitheads say we should join them. One of the shitheads is an American.

Am I missing something? What's the big deal about this exactly, lowing?

It is simply proof that the left's assertion that America is causing terrorism by our foreign policy with Iraq and Israel and Afghanistan is false. they hate us for our life style and our freedoms and our beliefs. Conversion or death is their agenda. It was a "big deal" on 911 for America, and if we do not unite in defense of this radical Islamic push it will be a "big deal".

I do not understand, before it was "listen to them, there is a reason why they attacked us. Our arrogance has caused all of those attacks". Now that they have posted proof of their real agenda, and it goes against everything that was said by the left in their defense you take a stance of, ignoring him, he is retarded, he is a shithead and insignificant?? How the hell can that be??

Lowing FFS. 'They' hate us for our freedoms? Who do? A minority bunch of whackjobs in caves in the Tora Bora mountains. You are again generalising. The majority of non-extremist rightly-aggrieved-feeling moderate arabs/muslims take issue with USA supporting the terrorist state of Israel and things like the occupation of Iraq. NOBODY is suggesting the tiny shithead minority that your thread addresses should be negotiated with. I don't know ANYONE who believes in negotiation with intransigent cunts like those who are members of the group known as 'Al Qaeda'.

CameronPoe wrote:

You really think we face any realistic threat from these monkeys that can't be combatted with watertight domestic security? Gimme a break. The focus should be on defence not on attack. Especially when you don't know who exactly it is you are supposed to be attacking!

I almost agree.

The focus should be on intelligence and vigilance. Attacking places in general just exacerbates things. Although I do think Afghanistan was a good idea. The Taliban were openly saying terrorists are hiding here, this is a safe haven for terrorists, you can't be putting up with that. Afghanistan was already a breeding ground for terrorism, not much chance of making things worse - it made sense to invade. Iraq, well, that's another story.

lowing wrote:

The_Shipbuilder wrote:

lowing wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/09/02/zawahiri.tape/index.html


Can't wait to hear how this is gunna be dismissed away by the left. Or how pulling out of Iraq is going to bring peace to the world.

Some shitheads say we should join them. One of the shitheads is an American.

Am I missing something? What's the big deal about this exactly, lowing?

It is simply proof that the left's assertion that America is causing terrorism by our foreign policy with Iraq and Israel and Afghanistan is false. they hate us for our life style and our freedoms and our beliefs. Conversion or death is their agenda. It was a "big deal" on 911 for America, and if we do not unite in defense of this radical Islamic push it will be a "big deal".

I do not understand, before it was "listen to them, there is a reason why they attacked us. Our arrogance has caused all of those attacks". Now that they have posted proof of their real agenda, and it goes against everything that was said by the left in their defense you take a stance of, ignoring him, he is retarded, he is a shithead and insignificant?? How the hell can that be??

Lowing, I think you are confusing a collection of different people with different viewpoints with a corporation or something.

Let me explain the difference.

If you call Ikea, and jackass #1 tells you he'll let you return your Malmicksen side table, and you bring it in to the store and jackass #2 tells you differently, then YOU HAVE A VALID POINT in saying "WTF IKEA? You're telling me two different things!"

However, there is no such thing as Liberals Incorporated.

lowing wrote:

I do not understand, before it was "listen to them"

It wasn't me, bro. If some guy you talked to argued one point 2 weeks ago, then hunt him down and bitch to him. I don't claim responsibility for anything anyone else has told you other than me.

lowing wrote:

you take a stance of, ignoring him, he is retarded, he is a shithead and insignificant?? How the hell can that be??

Q: I did indeed call him a shithead, but when did I say we should ignore him, that he is retarded, or that he is insignificant?

A: I did not say such things.

Or are you again attempting to lump multiple enemies together, blurring the differences between them and trying to trick everyone into thinking that your enemy are all in allegiance together and against you?

Hang on a second... that strategy sounds... so... familiar...

MR. RUMSFELD?!

IS THAT YOU???