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2006-08-30 09:06:35
Zimmer
Un Moderador
+1,688|7000|Scotland

Police sirens....
Now what are they for?
Scaring the kidnappers away, making murderers kill more...
I mean really, they get the traffic out of the way...
But they alert the culprits/kidnappers/vandals, whatever you wanna call them.

Now you picture yourself being a terrorist or something.
And having hostages, you specifically make it clear that if somone calls the police they die.
Someone, as usual calls the police, and the police come running to the rescue.
You are a professional, you keep your word.

And of course, what gives away that someone calls the police is those lovely sirens booming through the city.
So what do you do, of course youre the pro, you kill the hostages and flee. Leaving no trace whatsoever.

The police find it hard to figure out what gave it away.....
You laugh at their stupidity.

I find sirens a problem, they might help to get there faster, but what about the noise they make, and the lovely alert they give the crooks.
"We are coming for you, FLEE, FLEE, FLEE!"

Discuss.
2006-08-30 09:12:58
Kung Jew
That one mod
+331|6989|Houston, TX
Actually most police, fire, and ambulances have very restricted rules as to when and where they are allowed to run code (Sirens and/or lights).

In the event of hostages the police aren't sending in standard street beats and black and whites, they go to S.W.A.T. or better.  As the situation escalates, so does the level of enforcement. (think 4 stars to 5 or 6 on GTA)

What is the point of taking a hostage unless you have already been caught or are looking to exchange their safety for your own or procure something else?  If you are trying to get away clean, You don't take hostages, and you leave no witnesses....

KJ
2006-08-30 09:16:42
Zimmer
Un Moderador
+1,688|7000|Scotland

Kung Jew wrote:

Actually most police, fire, and ambulances have very restricted rules as to when and where they are allowed to run code (Sirens and/or lights).

In the event of hostages the police aren't sending in standard street beats and black and whites, they go to S.W.A.T. or better.  As the situation escalates, so does the level of enforcement. (think 4 stars to 5 or 6 on GTA)

What is the point of taking a hostage unless you have already been caught or are looking to exchange their safety for your own?  If you are trying to get away clean, You don't take hostages, and you leave no witnesses....

KJ
Yes, maybe in America, but in Britain its just armed police officers.
And if it escalates a lot, then they would send in the SAS, but that has only ever happened once in the history of Britain ( that i can recall of ), and that was when the Israeli embassy was attacked.
And the armed police officers come in normal police cars.
Normally with sirens on.
2006-08-30 09:20:15
scottomus0
Teh forum ghey!
+172|6881|Wigan. Manchester. England.
Zims right ^^
2006-08-30 09:29:37
SuperSlowYo
slow as you go
+124|6804|Canaduhhh.. West Toast

Kung Jew wrote:

As the situation escalates, so does the level of enforcement. (think 4 stars to 5 or 6 on GTA)
thats right real life is just like GTA ... if i steal a car and drive on the beach and kill enough pedestrians and police eventually i will get a chance to steal a sweet blacked out fbi truck or possibly the tank... oh no my car is onfire what was that health cheat again? R1,R2... +1 for you Kung Jew for keeping it real
2006-08-30 09:32:29
jonsimon
Member
+224|6739
Getting there is more important than the criminal still being there.
2006-08-30 09:37:36
Zimmer
Un Moderador
+1,688|7000|Scotland

And the criminal killing all the hostages or taking away with him the victim?
I dont think so.....
2006-08-30 09:39:06
blisteringsilence
I'd rather hunt with Cheney than ride with Kennedy
+83|6946|Little Rock, Arkansas

Kung Jew wrote:

Actually most police, fire, and ambulances have very restricted rules as to when and where they are allowed to run code (Sirens and/or lights).

In the event of hostages the police aren't sending in standard street beats and black and whites, they go to S.W.A.T. or better.  As the situation escalates, so does the level of enforcement. (think 4 stars to 5 or 6 on GTA)

What is the point of taking a hostage unless you have already been caught or are looking to exchange their safety for your own or procure something else?  If you are trying to get away clean, You don't take hostages, and you leave no witnesses....

KJ
Totally true. I recently started work for my sheriff's department (paramedic, search and rescue, extrication, swift water, dive, technical/rope), and along with my badge and ID, I got $1000 to outfit my POV with lights and a siren. I don't qualify for a squad car, as 1. They're really touchy on who gets to drive them, and 2. there's not nearly enough room in the back of a crown vic for the shit that I need to take when I get called out.

So, now I have these lights and siren, and I had to go and take a class called the EVOC, or emergency vehicles operators course. You wouldn't beleive the restrictions that are placed on running code 1 (lights and sirens). One of the things that I do is staff the county command post when we have a SWAT action, and let me tell you, when we run SWAT or Hostages, there's an entirely different rulebook on what you can and can't do. For example, you don't run your siren within hearing range of the hostage-taker, for fear of increasing his stress level.

One of the problems with this is that one of the components of noise, in an American city at least, is the siren. Police cars, ambulances, fire trucks, there's always some kind of siren going by. When that background noise disappears, it clues the hostage taker in on the fact that something's going on.

Now as far as police in the UK, well, I don't have any real experience. We're supposed to do an officer swap with London metro sometime, but that hasn't come to fruition yet, so about all I know is that the armed police are a small subset of the police as a whole, and despite their name, they're not that well armed.

Here in the states, just about every law enforcement department has a SWAT/SRT/HRT/ERT of their own, or is a member of a collection of other departments that has a joint unit. So if an even escalates beyond the normal police, you call these guys in. If its too big for that, and high enough profile, you can normally get a federal LEO team from the FBI or ATF or SS, one of those guys. The military doesn't have the right to operate as LEO's within the borders of this country, it's specifically prohibited in the Constitution.
2006-08-30 09:41:02
jonsimon
Member
+224|6739

zimmer92 wrote:

And the criminal killing all the hostages or taking away with him the victim?
I dont think so.....
You're right. Cops should never show up to a crime scene. Every criminal should finish what he is doing, and then escape.
2006-08-30 09:46:27
Zimmer
Un Moderador
+1,688|7000|Scotland

jonsimon wrote:

zimmer92 wrote:

And the criminal killing all the hostages or taking away with him the victim?
I dont think so.....
You're right. Cops should never show up to a crime scene. Every criminal should finish what he is doing, and then escape.
Why cant you understand this?
They SHOULD show up. But without their stupid sirens blaring, so they actually have the upper hand and have time to take down the criminals before they even know what happened.
2006-08-30 10:11:51
jonsimon
Member
+224|6739

zimmer92 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

zimmer92 wrote:

And the criminal killing all the hostages or taking away with him the victim?
I dont think so.....
You're right. Cops should never show up to a crime scene. Every criminal should finish what he is doing, and then escape.
Why cant you understand this?
They SHOULD show up. But without their stupid sirens blaring, so they actually have the upper hand and have time to take down the criminals before they even know what happened.
And their sirens increase response times dramatically. Either they use the sirens and show up in time, or they show up too late.
2006-08-30 10:17:27
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6888|Seattle, WA

Kung Jew wrote:

What is the point of taking a hostage unless you have already been caught or are looking to exchange their safety for your own or procure something else?  If you are trying to get away clean, You don't take hostages, and you leave no witnesses....

KJ
+1
2006-08-30 10:18:28
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6888|Seattle, WA

jonsimon wrote:

And their sirens increase response times dramatically. Either they use the sirens and show up in time, or they show up too late.
+1, excellent point.  Good job jonsi
2006-08-30 13:18:07
The_Fighting_69th
Combat medic
+6|6997

zimmer92 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

zimmer92 wrote:

And the criminal killing all the hostages or taking away with him the victim?
I dont think so.....
You're right. Cops should never show up to a crime scene. Every criminal should finish what he is doing, and then escape.
Why cant you understand this?
They SHOULD show up. But without their stupid sirens blaring, so they actually have the upper hand and have time to take down the criminals before they even know what happened.
Dispatch tells us when we can roll code 3 (lights and sirens), it's not up to us.  Most calls we get we run with just lights and sometimes without lights.  The only time we run code 3 is when we HAVE to get there fast, IE: another officer needs help, accidents, etc.
2006-08-30 13:19:30
Simon
basically
+838|6902|UK

zimmer92 wrote:

Police sirens....
Now what are they for?
Scaring the kidnappers away, making murderers kill more...
I mean really, they get the traffic out of the way...
But they alert the culprits/kidnappers/vandals, whatever you wanna call them.

Now you picture yourself being a terrorist or something.
And having hostages, you specifically make it clear that if somone calls the police they die.
Someone, as usual calls the police, and the police come running to the rescue.
You are a professional, you keep your word.

And of course, what gives away that someone calls the police is those lovely sirens booming through the city.
So what do you do, of course youre the pro, you kill the hostages and flee. Leaving no trace whatsoever.

The police find it hard to figure out what gave it away.....
You laugh at their stupidity.

I find sirens a problem, they might help to get there faster, but what about the noise they make, and the lovely alert they give the crooks.
"We are coming for you, FLEE, FLEE, FLEE!"

Discuss.
Zimmer I love you xD
2006-08-30 13:24:42
motherdear
Member
+25|6895|Denmark/Minnesota (depends)
the SAS was called in at the prison riot a few years after the queens gate incident, they frigging assaulted the place without firearms only taser and the bat thingies that the police have.
2006-08-30 17:12:36
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7016|PNW

jonsimon wrote:

zimmer92 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:


You're right. Cops should never show up to a crime scene. Every criminal should finish what he is doing, and then escape.
Why cant you understand this?
They SHOULD show up. But without their stupid sirens blaring, so they actually have the upper hand and have time to take down the criminals before they even know what happened.
And their sirens increase response times dramatically. Either they use the sirens and show up in time, or they show up too late.
I don't know if you're aware of this or not, zimmer, but the police do run silent from time to time when the situation requires it. The reason the sirens are there is because flashing lights alone just don't attract enough attention from traffic, if drivers aren't looking at them head on. I for one don't know why you're so angry over it. Did a siren interrupt a 'late-nite TV movie?'

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-08-30 17:15:17)

2006-08-30 17:30:08
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6814|Portland, OR, USA

SuperSlowYo wrote:

Kung Jew wrote:

As the situation escalates, so does the level of enforcement. (think 4 stars to 5 or 6 on GTA)
thats right real life is just like GTA ... if i steal a car and drive on the beach and kill enough pedestrians and police eventually i will get a chance to steal a sweet blacked out fbi truck or possibly the tank... oh no my car is onfire what was that health cheat again? R1,R2... +1 for you Kung Jew for keeping it real
R1 R2 L1 O Left Down Right Up Left Down Right Up

i think thats for vice city
2006-08-30 18:53:14
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6888|Seattle, WA

The_Fighting_69th wrote:

Dispatch tells us when we can roll code 3 (lights and sirens), it's not up to us.
Depends on the department. 

Stay safe.
2006-08-30 19:11:06
C01d Fusion
Member
+7|6765

motherdear wrote:

the SAS was called in at the prison riot a few years after the queens gate incident, they frigging assaulted the place without firearms only taser and the bat thingies that the police have.
bat thingies meaning nightsticks i assume?
2006-08-30 19:14:19
D6717C
Anger is a gift
+174|6877|Sin City

I have been a cop for 6 years in Las Vegas, and I can tell you that rolling to a scene with lights/siren does increase our response time dramatically. If the point trying to be made is that it notifies the criminals that we are on our way, I can tell you they ALWAYS already know that. Only in very few cases is this ever not true. Even then, if we are able, we shut them down just before arriving so they won't hear them as we get closer. In a big city you hear sirens all the time from Police/Fire Dept/Ambulances, so it's not like it's a big deal. The problem is, now days we can't drive with lights only and no siren, because of a few accidents where the police had their lights on but no siren and got into an accident and someone was injured. The public want's us to catch criminals, but they sue the $&%* out of us when something like that happens. So, to answer your question..........basically it's because of liability from the public that most police agencies don't allow it. Besides, you would be suprised how many people have their head far up their ass and don't even notice a police vehicle with lights/siren blaring right behind them. Man, is that frustrating. I am trying to get somewhere in a hurry, to either catch a criminal or god forbid help another Officer in a fight and some Twit is on her cell phone with her music blaring so loud that she doesn't even notice. And when they finally do......they either slam on their brakes, or pull to the left instead of the right. And then we get "why didn't you get here faster"..........oh well.
2006-08-30 19:16:36
The_Fighting_69th
Combat medic
+6|6997

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

The_Fighting_69th wrote:

Dispatch tells us when we can roll code 3 (lights and sirens), it's not up to us.
Depends on the department. 

Stay safe.
True, a lot depends on the department, we can go code 3 on our own depending on the call.  IE:  If I was to hear  an officer call "shots fired" or that they were in a fight, I can run lights and sirens without waiting for dispatch to tell me to.
2006-08-30 19:19:31
D6717C
Anger is a gift
+174|6877|Sin City

zimmer92 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

zimmer92 wrote:

And the criminal killing all the hostages or taking away with him the victim?
I dont think so.....
You're right. Cops should never show up to a crime scene. Every criminal should finish what he is doing, and then escape.
Why cant you understand this?
They SHOULD show up. But without their stupid sirens blaring, so they actually have the upper hand and have time to take down the criminals before they even know what happened.
Hey Zimmer......it's like this. Without the lights/siren, we are forced to drive the speed limit. That means it takes WAY longer to get somewhere in an emergency. So, let me ask you then.......if someone was trying to kill or rape a member of your family, would you want me to drive the speed limit and obey every traffic law so I don't scare the guy away? Or would you rather I turn on my lights/siren and get there in time to actually do some good? If the guy runs......SO WHAT......we chase him on foot, in cars, with dogs and helicopters. The point is, WE GET THERE IN TIME TO DO SOME GOOD. Understand the point yet?
2006-08-30 19:19:34
R3v4n
We shall beat to quarters!
+433|6731|Melbourne

I have seen cop car's ushally unmarked cop cars, with only a flashing light that can be turned on and off. no sound there.
~ Do you not know that in the service … one must always choose the lesser of two weevils?
2006-08-30 19:21:57
SGT.Slayero
Member
+98|6709|Life in a vacuum sucks
i run from police and your so right........NOT!!!!




i dont realy run from police

 

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