cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6940|NJ
LAS VEGAS (Aug. 29) - The fugitive leader of a polygamist Mormon sect has been arrested in southern Nevada, the FBI said Tuesday.

   


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Warren Steed Jeffs, 50, was taken into custody after he and two other people were pulled over late Monday by a Nevada Highway Patrol trooper on Interstate 15 just north of Las Vegas, FBI spokesman David Staretz said.

The leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was wanted in Utah and Arizona on suspicion of sexual misconduct for allegedly arranging marriages between underage girls and older men.

Since May, Jeffs has been on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list, with a $100,000 reward offered for information leading to his capture.

   
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The other two people in the vehicle were identified as one of Warren Jeffs' wives, Naomi Jeffs, and a brother, Isaac Steve Jeffs, both 32, Staretz said. They were being interviewed by the FBI in Las Vegas but were not arrested.

Jeffs was in federal custody in Las Vegas pending a court hearing on a federal charge of unlawful flight to avoid prosecution, Staretz said. It was not immediately clear if Jeffs would face extradition to Arizona or Utah.

Jeffs was indicted in June on an Arizona charge of arranging a marriage between a 16-year-old girl and a married man, and unlawful flight to avoid prosecution. He is charged in Utah with two felony counts of rape as an accomplice, for allegedly arranging the marriage of a teenage girl to an older man in Nevada.

The FLDS Church split from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints when the mainstream Mormon Church disavowed plural marriage more than 100 years ago.


8/29/2006 10:15:37




Now this is just one of the many cases that happened between many organized religions out there, But why is it that having God on your side attract the wrong people. Are they looking for salvation against something they know is wrong? Or are they looking for a postion of power that "use" to give them trust so they can get to said victoms? Now I'm not flaming any religion here but all I know about with these such cases is the Christ based religions if there are any more out there let me know.

Thanks
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7016|PNW

What is it that attracts them? Easy access to fearful, gullible children, and the fact that parents won't be as suspicious if they're in your company as they would be if you were merely a neighbor who lived down the street.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-08-29 09:41:29)

cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6940|NJ
Sex-abuse report rocks Irish Church 

Oct. 27, 2005 (CWNews.com) - Both Church and government leaders in Ireland have been shaken by the October 25 publication of a report showing a systematic failure to curb sexual abuse by priests in the Diocese of Ferns.

The report, prepared under the direction of former Supreme Court Judge Frank Murphy, uncovered more than 100 allegations of abuse by 26 priests of the Ferns diocese. The report covered the years between 1962 and 2002; it was based on a government investigation that lasted more than 2 years.

The report on the Ferns investigation faulted police and local officials for their failure to follow up aggressively on complaints of sexual abuse. But the most scathing criticism was leveled against Church leaders who covered up charges, silenced accusers, and ordained "clearly unsuitable men into the priesthood."

The government investigation of the Ferns diocese was organized in 2002, shortly after the resignation of Bishop Brendan Comiskey. Bishop Comiskey had become the focal point for complaints about the Irish bishops' handling of sex-abuse cases, especially after the 1999 suicide of Father Sean Fortune, a priest of the Ferns diocese, who was facing criminal charges on a series of sex-abuse complaints.

Bishop Donal Herlihy, who preceded Comiskey as the head of the Ferns diocese, is also heavily criticized in the report. Bishop Herlihy, who died in 1983, is said to have ordained men whose aberrant behavior was already manifest, and transferred abusers from one parish to another to avoid public disclosure of their misbehavior.

Bishop Eamonn Walsh, who was appointed to head the Ferns diocese after Bishop Comiskey's hurried resignation, said that the report "is a sober reminder to me and to the priests of the Diocese of Ferns of the depth of damage that has been done to those who were abused by priests." Apologizing to the victims, he said: "There are no excuses for what has happened in the past."

The prevalence of sexual abuse uncovered in the Ferns diocese rivals any revelations elsewhere in the world. The number of priests credibly accused of molesting children-- 26, of whom 8 are now dead-- represents nearly 10 percent of the total number of priests who served in the Ferns diocese during the period under investigation.

Archbishop Sean Brady of Armagh conceded that the allegations contained in the 270-page Ferns report "make for very uncomfortable readings." The Irish primate said: "The betrayal of trust is horrendous."
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6786|Texas - Bigger than France
I think you actually got it wrong.  I would not know if being ultra-religious would increase or decrease the tendency for these types of crimes.  But I would guess that these types of stories get more publicized - So you hear about them more, because its a train wreck and you have to look.
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6940|NJ
Pug this has really nothing to do with being religious or not, this has more to do with the draw to Priest hood. I know that there are Child molesting Teachers and every other walk of life but between what's going on with the mormons and the Church doesn't it seem like it has some sort of draw to these type of people? Do you think that they are going to the Church to "CURE" themself?
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6786|Texas - Bigger than France
No, I'm saying that I do not believe that priests have more of a chance nor do they have less of a chance to be a child molester.  I'm saying that it SEEMS to be more prevalent because when the average joe molests a child, its not national news. 

I'm arguing the news coverage is more extensive because it's a sideshow, therefore it seems like the church is plagued by this problem.  So I disagree with you based on my opinion that the media makes it easier to follow these stories than others.

The only way to truly prove it would be to see % of molesters in society versus % of priests.  I'm not up to that kind of research.

Here some examples - Columbine.  Jon Benet Ramsey.  That story a few years back about the guy who alledgedly (or was convicted...can't remember) of drowning his pregnant wife on the West Coast.

The media made these stories bigger than they were.  Terrible?  Yes.  Definitive news angle? Yes.  But different?
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6940|NJ
I'd have to agree with you on serval points about the news media and following the story. But IMO I feel that there is a draw to priesthood for want to be sex offenders like a Alcholic going to AA.. That's what I'm asking?
Kung Jew
That one mod
+331|6989|Houston, TX
"Abstinence makes the church grow fondlers"
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6980|Salt Lake City

Well, you also have to consider that this case is not isolated.  The FLDS have been arranging marriages with girls of that age for some time and on numerous occassions.  They don't see it so much as preferring young girls for sex as it is simply the age at which girls are expected/allowed to get married and part of their belief system...albeit a pretty fucked up one.

Just to give you an idea of how scarry their beliefs are, the town kind of considers itself to be a country unto itself.  They can at any time, for any reason, excommunicate a member.  If that member happens to be a male, his wives and property are taken away and given to another man, and he has to leave the town.
The_Shipbuilder
Stay the corpse
+261|6744|Los Angeles
It's not organized religion that attracts perverts. Rather, positions of power - of any sort - present opportunities for people to abuse. When it is an assumedly pious figure doing the dirty deed, the public outcry is much stronger. If a priest commits rape? "Blasphemous." If a Hollywood casting agent commits rape? "Typical."
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6845|132 and Bush

"Isn't it crazy with all these church scandals? I'm beginning to understand how all those Bibles ended up in hotel rooms." —Jay Leno 

BTW The_Shipbuilder You are right on the money.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6793|Southeastern USA
that can go for the recent spate of teachers sleeping with their students as well

but then again, is there any such thing as an non-organized religion anymore?
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6786|Texas - Bigger than France

cpt.fass1 wrote:

I'd have to agree with you on serval points about the news media and following the story. But IMO I feel that there is a draw to priesthood for want to be sex offenders like a Alcholic going to AA.. That's what I'm asking?
Oh sorry.  I guess I'm saying "probably not" or "same as everyone else".

PS. It's ironic you are bringing this up on Michael Jackson's 48th birthday....
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6934|Tampa Bay Florida

kr@cker wrote:

that can go for the recent spate of teachers sleeping with their students as well
That is just pure propaganda, right there, kracker.  You live in a fantasy world.  Sure, some do it, but much, much much much less than 1 percent.  They are an EXTREME minority.

Last edited by Spearhead (2006-08-29 11:34:49)

Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6980|Salt Lake City

As was already mentioned, positions of power are the key.  Church leaders are supposed to moral people that can be trusted, which is a double whammy of power and trust.  I think that is the draw to a large degree.
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6940|NJ
Lol very impressed that you know it's MJ's 48th bday I had no idea.  Well if you look at the priesthood compared to teachers the numbers have been way greater in the priesthood.

There sure is something as non-organized religion, but you don't hear about it. That's what makes it not organized...
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6786|Texas - Bigger than France
You said numbers.

Let's see them.

% of Teachers
% of Priests
% of Population
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6940|NJ
I wish I could Pug but as I do have a firewall at walk I can't properly get to child molester sites?? Don't ask me why

So I tried a google search for "% of child molesters"
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6786|Texas - Bigger than France
Ahh...Damn the Man.  You are deprived of the basic necessities of life, much like Michael Jackson wishes he could celebrate his birthday by spanking 48 boys.

You would only need to research it as curiousity.  It would be interesting to see.

See also if you can get the % of Michael Jacksons' while you're at it...

Last edited by Pug (2006-08-30 05:58:16)

cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6940|NJ
Well Michael has two I belive and is still free that is so wrong, he needs to be in jail and it's only a matter of time till he hits. So Yes he's at 200% of his own population of child molesters so he wins.

Yeah I guess my job doesn't want me to look up child molesters at work, but I can download porn??
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6786|Texas - Bigger than France
LOL I made an edit from "I would be interesting to see"
to "It would be interesting to see".

Sorry, I didn't mean to out myself as Chester yesterday.  LOL.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6825|SE London

Spearhead wrote:

kr@cker wrote:

that can go for the recent spate of teachers sleeping with their students as well
That is just pure propaganda, right there, kracker.  You live in a fantasy world.  Sure, some do it, but much, much much much less than 1 percent.  They are an EXTREME minority.
Not true. It happens. 2 teachers were recently fired from my old school for sleeping with students. One of the girls that one of them slept with (between the 2 of them there were several incidents) was under 16 as well. It was not publicised to protect the schools reputation, I only know from people who work there.

Also, religion just attracts general fuck ups. It's an evil evil thing. The sooner religion dies out the better.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2006-08-31 07:02:47)

aqempty
Member
+6|6750|international waters
u are taking this post to religions are guied by perverts or something like that, but there are everywhere teachers, nannys , even in clans of games it happens, all works or places who have kids near there are a chance to be a pervert there.
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|6966|Eastern PA
I don't know that organized religion itself attracts perverts, but there might be something about religious leadership roles that attract perverts. Molestation/rape/etc. are usually about power, exerting your will forcefully over another. So a position that reinforces your dominance and authority over a group of people might be a natural magnet for those that possess certain mental "qualities".

Now I'm not saying that all people attracted to such roles are perverts, but the authorities inherent in such positions may incentivize aberrant behavior.
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6940|NJ
Nope I'm asking a question.. I don't feel that organized religions attracts preverts would be an answer if that's your feeling.

IMO some people when younger have urges that are wrong and their relougious backing(what ever reliogion it is) reinforces that it is wrong. So they either flock to a reliougion where it's right see the mormons about or join a religion that shuns it and try's to subdue the urges like in the Catholic church... I'm not saying all just some Clergy men might have been drawn to the church because they were bad men and wantted to make them selves better. Cause let's face it the bottom line of most religions is betterment through control

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