| Yes, I believe and go to Church | 19% | 19% - 83 | ||||
| No, I don't believe but get dragged to Church | 2% | 2% - 13 | ||||
| Yes, I believe and don't go to Church | 20% | 20% - 88 | ||||
| I'm an Athiest - booyah | 26% | 26% - 116 | ||||
| I know there's something out there.. | 16% | 16% - 71 | ||||
| Nothing is out there | 14% | 14% - 65 | ||||
| Total: 436 | ||||||
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LoLCameronPoe wrote:
Apparently God is working on another book on the back of the success of his last bestseller. It's gonna be called 'The Bible II: This time IT'S PERSONAL!'. It's a collaborative effort with Dan Brown.jollyrodger wrote:
It was Written by man not God.:XDR:.PureFodder wrote:
Then god should have made the bible clearer or us less stupid.
Oh yeah I forgot about the rules. Silly me. Do you have a link to them by any chance, I think I deleted the bookmark. Do you mind telling me where God is by the way? I couldn't get him on his mobile number.JaMDuDe wrote:
God doesnt need a creator. Hes not physically in this universe so the rules dont apply to him. This is a concept that you cranially challenged atheists find difficult to comprehend.CameronPoe wrote:
Yeah NOW there's an interesting question:
If god created the universe then .... who created god???????
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here's my thought: if you're praying and it's for nothing, then what's the real loss?bobby177 wrote:
I really dont know but I have been heavily leaning towards no for my whole life.
I don't want to waste all those hours and days praying for.... nothing. I just need some proof.
Within an hour you'll have some godboy telling you that 'Maybe God invented the matrix ha?'. To which you'll respond, 'The Matrix is fictional, please refrain from posting in future.'GhostStalker0 wrote:
There is no god, everything is controlled by the Matrix!
I meant everything needs a first cause by "the rules", but you dont believe that anyway. No i dont have Gods cell number. Ill try to find it for you.CameronPoe wrote:
Oh yeah I forgot about the rules. Silly me. Do you have a link to them by any chance, I think I deleted the bookmark. Do you mind telling me where God is by the way? I couldn't get him on his mobile number.JaMDuDe wrote:
God doesnt need a creator. Hes not physically in this universe so the rules dont apply to him. This is a concept that you cranially challenged atheists find difficult to comprehend.CameronPoe wrote:
Yeah NOW there's an interesting question:
If god created the universe then .... who created god???????
Rules? What are you smoking?JaMDuDe wrote:
I meant everything needs a first cause by "the rules", but you dont believe that anyway. No i dont have Gods cell number. Ill try to find it for you.CameronPoe wrote:
Oh yeah I forgot about the rules. Silly me. Do you have a link to them by any chance, I think I deleted the bookmark. Do you mind telling me where God is by the way? I couldn't get him on his mobile number.JaMDuDe wrote:
God doesnt need a creator. Hes not physically in this universe so the rules dont apply to him. This is a concept that you cranially challenged atheists find difficult to comprehend.
Masonic God right?CyrusTheVirus wrote:
In God We Trust
Either way, God loves you.CameronPoe wrote:
Within an hour you'll have some godboy telling you that 'Maybe God invented the matrix ha?'. To which you'll respond, 'The Matrix is fictional, please refrain from posting in future.'GhostStalker0 wrote:
There is no god, everything is controlled by the Matrix!
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Science, logic, and reasoning have never been unable to explain anything given the proper information. Religion often relies on trust rather than explanation.DesertFox423 wrote:
Avioid twisting words such as this "divine intelligence" when it is simple belief.
Somehow, people will believe other unexplainable events without proof but a god is too much for them. Science has done nothing to conclusively prove there is or is not a god in existence. People such as yourself will not accept the unexplainable and pass it off as logic when there is no conclusion. Thought of the day, though- atheism is still a minority, so these are some pretty big arguements right here.
As soon as you explain the existence of an intangible 'being' such as 'god', through scientific means. I love the way many of us simple humans insist on the fact something has to start when in fact it is equally possible that it exists perpetually.Mike_J wrote:
Explain how the universe has always existed through scientific means.CameronPoe wrote:
Newsflash: how about the possibility that the universe ALWAYS existed, a concept that we mere cranially challenged humans find difficult to comprehend.JaMDuDe wrote:
Do you mind explaining a little more? Universes appearing from nothing and flowers growing arent quite the same thing. What natural cause makes a universe appear?
The loss is time, the most valuable thing in life.G3|Genius wrote:
here's my thought: if you're praying and it's for nothing, then what's the real loss?
Be careful with these "Explain Hows". A thousand years ago the humans thought the earth is flat. Today we would probably call such people stupid. Maybe in another millennium it's proven through science that the universe has always existed. And these people will think we were the stupid ones.Mike_J wrote:
Explain how the universe has always existed through scientific means.
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OK. Not difficult at all. Special and general relativity support the notion of 4-dmensional space-time. This means that time and space are intriniscly linked, without space there is no time. At the Big Bang itself the universe is thought to have had zero size, hence zero space. Without space there can be no time and hence no moment of creation.Mike_J wrote:
Explain how the universe has always existed through scientific means.
The thing about religion changing is it says that God with his incomprehensible power was actually wrong about something and we were right. Either that or the religious teachings aren't the word of god therefore are inherently flawed and all the people yapping on about how all the old testament was word for word truth are wrong.Mike_J wrote:
Science is constantly changing too. Sometimes what was fact yesterday isn't today. Alot of science is theory. Society has become too reliant on science. We don't bash science for having completely different answers to questions from one day to the next, so how come this is the case with religion? Just because you may not agree with a belief that's hundreds or even thousands of years old, doesn't mean your alternative way of thinking has to be purely scientific. People need to learn how to find a balance between the two. It's only either or because for some strange reason we tell ourselves that. Religious beliefs can progress too is what I'm trying to get at. If God is so awesome in power (which I believe is true) like many religions preach, then do you honestly think our mere human minds can comprehend spiritual truth so easily?
That's a very good point. The problem with an all powerful entity is that so many paradoxes arise from any action they could take. The obvious example being why would it take an all powerful being 7 days to create the world? It wouldn't. Why would they need a day of rest afterwards? They wouldn't. Simple as that. Either the bible is not literally right or God is not all powerful..:XDR:.PureFodder wrote:
The thing about religion changing is it says that God with his incomprehensible power was actually wrong about something and we were right. Either that or the religious teachings aren't the word of god therefore are inherently flawed and all the people yapping on about how all the old testament was word for word truth are wrong.Mike_J wrote:
Science is constantly changing too. Sometimes what was fact yesterday isn't today. Alot of science is theory. Society has become too reliant on science. We don't bash science for having completely different answers to questions from one day to the next, so how come this is the case with religion? Just because you may not agree with a belief that's hundreds or even thousands of years old, doesn't mean your alternative way of thinking has to be purely scientific. People need to learn how to find a balance between the two. It's only either or because for some strange reason we tell ourselves that. Religious beliefs can progress too is what I'm trying to get at. If God is so awesome in power (which I believe is true) like many religions preach, then do you honestly think our mere human minds can comprehend spiritual truth so easily?
Sorry man, but science has already proven things that were thought to be attributed to God. Where do you get off saying that anyone has to show empiracle evidence that he doesn't exist, or else he does, especially when there is not one shred of credible evidence to prove that he does.DesertFox423 wrote:
I'm still waiting for an atheist here to disprove the belief. They are the ones attacking and should provide some proof. I'm not trying to change your belief but I'd sure like one person in particular to quit his bitching. The law has the belief a suspect is innocent until proven guilty. Well, God is in existence until proven false.
BTW- None of you are the whiny atheists who say "Money has the word 'god' on it. change it!" are you? I can't stand people like that and that's why they no longer play the Battle Hymn of the Republic because it might offend somebody with the word "Him."