Because a "civilian shield" is exactly what it is.PRiMACORD wrote:
When did i say Hezbollah were not a bunch of cowards? Are you admittiting that IDF are cowards? Why do you people insist on using the term 'civilian shield'
Were you attempting to make sense? I can't tell with the "lol" added on the end.PRiMACORD wrote:
It's obviously not a fucking shield if the aggressor doesn't stop shooting, lol?
This is a shield:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search? … =0&y=0
Whether or not the aggressor stops attacking doesn't change its purpose. That's like saying a bullet-proof vest isn't a shield if someone shoots you while you're wearing one.
Oh, you mean your rambling?PRiMACORD wrote:
Also, try addressing the other points i made, oh wait you can't?
PRiMACORD wrote:
The fact is Israel does not give a fuck about Lebanon, they hate it and the people in it.
Isreal has its own standing army and military. This is a matter of preventing terrorists from obtaining more weapons. What are you going to tell me text? That Bin laden was a freedom fighter and a hero?..teddy..jimmy wrote:
Then i assume hezbollah should do the same to prevent weapons arriving from the U.S to Isreal..Wot kind of argument is that
A cease fire is a cease fire and should be respected
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Be careful PRiMACORD you are now being regarded as a "pre-teen on a internet forum".
WELCOME TO THE DARK SIDE.
WOT ? happy .
WELCOME TO THE DARK SIDE.
WOT ? happy .
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You should've used "wot" again. That word was beginning to make me chuckle.mafia996630 wrote:
Be careful PRiMACORD you are now being regarded as a "pre-teen on a internet forum".
WELCOME TO THE DARK SIDE.
Learn how to read?Fancy_Pollux wrote:
Oh, you mean your rambling?PRiMACORD wrote:
Also, try addressing the other points i made, oh wait you can't?
"Why else would they leave mind fields when they stopped occupying the southern parts of Lebanon in 2000? Here is your land back, try and avoid the mines...need maps? Sorry, we can't do that.
They bombed Lebanons infastructure to shit and i'd like to hear you justify that since Hezbollah Katyusha attacks increased as the war went on. You would think if they were bombing targets so crucial to Hezbollah there rocket attacks would get weaker and weaker over time."
Thats rambling? Oh i guess rambling is when someones beats you in an argument.
Fail.
No, they go to were the rocket was fired and attack there. That's how they protect their peoples.jonsimon wrote:
LOL You're silly. Thats not even logical. The IDF just joins hands and forms a human shield whenever they see a rocket heading in.
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I may be way outa line trying to enter this argument, but if there were to be more ground forces instead of bombings, then say you storm a building that has been said to have rockets and such launched out. There's no way to identify the real terrorist, as they'd all play innocent..yada yada yada. But bombing them just solves the whole deal and you can know 80-99% sure that you've gotten your target. If Hezbollah were trying to force Israel into ground forces, then it would make it significantly easier for Hezbollah to do their thing.
And yes, by saying that Israel is...aware of the repercussion of using ground forces, and that Israel is using their bombings all too well, supports both sides of the argument.
And yes, by saying that Israel is...aware of the repercussion of using ground forces, and that Israel is using their bombings all too well, supports both sides of the argument.
Fail? How? You went way off topic, yet consider that an argument to the situation at hand? You do realize that we are talking about whether or not Israel is indiscriminately attacking civilians and if they are justified in attacking Hezbollah, right? Or does that "fail" simply describe your own post? In that case its just another instance of you proving yourself wrong in your own "argument".PRiMACORD wrote:
Learn how to read?
"Why else would they leave mind fields when they stopped occupying the southern parts of Lebanon in 2000? Here is your land back, try and avoid the mines...need maps? Sorry, we can't do that.
They bombed Lebanons infastructure to shit and i'd like to hear you justify that since Hezbollah Katyusha attacks increased as the war went on. You would think if they were bombing targets so crucial to Hezbollah there rocket attacks would get weaker and weaker over time."
Thats rambling? Oh i guess rambling is when someones beats you in an argument.
Fail.
You:
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Hezbollah are not regarded as terroists..Fancy_Pollux wrote:
Isreal has its own standing army and military. This is a matter of preventing terrorists from obtaining more weapons. What are you going to tell me text? That Bin laden was a freedom fighter and a hero?..teddy..jimmy wrote:
Then i assume hezbollah should do the same to prevent weapons arriving from the U.S to Isreal..Wot kind of argument is that
A cease fire is a cease fire and should be respected
How can u possibly use Osama as an example. he primarily targeted civilians, hence 9/11.
9/11- civillian deaths 2752
-0 soldiers
Lebanon Death Toll-civillian death toll 500+
Israel- Civilian death toll 38
-soldier 120
Hezbollah have, according to the figures have not primarily targeted civillians.
My points are completely on topic, you just avoid them because you have no counter-point. Too hard to admit huh?Fancy_Pollux wrote:
humor to cover more failure
Wrong...teddy..jimmy wrote:
Hezbollah are not regarded as terroists..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah# … _Hezbollah
You're making this too easy.
Fancy_Pollux:
I wish Israel would just carpet bomb Lebanon. I fail to see how anyone there could claim to be a civilian. They allow Hezbollah to live and operate among them which is the same as supporting and helping them. Screw the Muslims, if more countries would just start carpet bombing them, THEY would clean up THEIR terrorist problem.
It's like trying to stop the Nazi's during WWII without harming a German, the Idiots on this board need a few rockets fired at them by Hezbollah, then be force to try to root out the terrorists in Lebanon with a rifle to protect the people supporting your enemy. A lot of Stupid people in this world, and this forum is a magnet for them.
It's like trying to stop the Nazi's during WWII without harming a German, the Idiots on this board need a few rockets fired at them by Hezbollah, then be force to try to root out the terrorists in Lebanon with a rifle to protect the people supporting your enemy. A lot of Stupid people in this world, and this forum is a magnet for them.
While the Hezbollah is considered by the US, Israel, and Canada to be a terrorist organization, the governments of many Muslim and Arab nations regard Hezbollah as a legitimate resistance movement.[8]Fancy_Pollux wrote:
Wrong...teddy..jimmy wrote:
Hezbollah are not regarded as terroists..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah# … _Hezbollah
You're making this too easy.
Obviously they r gonna be regarded as terrorists by Israel and the USA. I only see three nations on that list regarding hezbollah as a terrorist organisation.
I was going to save you the embarassment, but here we go anyway.PRiMACORD wrote:
My points are completely on topic, you just avoid them because you have no counter-point. Too hard to admit huh?
That's a different argument for a different thread. We are talking about the Israeli-Hezbollah/Lebanon conflict of 2006, and whether or not Israel is justified in its actions.PRiMACORD wrote:
Why else would they leave mind fields when they stopped occupying the southern parts of Lebanon in 2000? Here is your land back, try and avoid the mines...need maps? Sorry, we can't do that.
It is justified because Lebanon harbors terrorists and those terrorist have influence in the government.PRiMACORD wrote:
They bombed Lebanons infastructure to shit and i'd like to hear you justify that since Hezbollah Katyusha attacks increased as the war went on. You would think if they were bombing targets so crucial to Hezbollah there rocket attacks would get weaker and weaker over time."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah# … Activities
You don't see 1/3rd of the US's cabinet occupied by Al-Queda, do you?
Additionally, the rocket attacks getting stronger and stronger does not change a thing. They are not reflective of Hezbollahs military strength or Israel's success in killing Hezbollah. These are homemade rockets.
Quoted for irony.PRiMACORD wrote:
Thats rambling? Oh i guess rambling is when someones beats you in an argument.
You mean other terrorist nations such as Iran, Libya, Sudan, and Syria don't consider Hezbollah terrorists? What a shock! I highly doubt Bin Laden would label himself as a "terrorist" either...teddy..jimmy wrote:
the governments of many Muslim and Arab nations regard Hezbollah as a legitimate resistance movement.
If you had scrolled down some more, it's not only USA, Israel, and Canada, it's the UK, Netherlands, and Australia too...teddy..jimmy wrote:
While the Hezbollah is considered by the US, Israel, and Canada to be a terrorist organization, the governments of many Muslim and Arab nations regard Hezbollah as a legitimate resistance movement.[8]
Obviously they r gonna be regarded as terrorists by Israel and the USA. I only see three nations on that list regarding hezbollah as a terrorist organisation.
What? You actually expected that he possessed reading comprehension skills in addition to abilities as a typist?SaladForks wrote:
If you had scrolled down some more, it's not only USA, Israel, and Canada, it's the UK, Netherlands, and Australia too...teddy..jimmy wrote:
While the Hezbollah is considered by the US, Israel, and Canada to be a terrorist organization, the governments of many Muslim and Arab nations regard Hezbollah as a legitimate resistance movement.[8]
Obviously they r gonna be regarded as terrorists by Israel and the USA. I only see three nations on that list regarding hezbollah as a terrorist organisation.
So, you're saying the reason Hezbollah has more IDF kills than civ kills is because the IDF throws its soldiers upon Hezbollahs guns?rawls2 wrote:
No, they go to were the rocket was fired and attack there. That's how they protect their peoples.jonsimon wrote:
LOL You're silly. Thats not even logical. The IDF just joins hands and forms a human shield whenever they see a rocket heading in.
Hahaha, yeah. If i shoot you, miss, and you shoot back, your shooting back is not reflective of my missing you?Fancy_Pollux wrote:
Additionally, the rocket attacks getting stronger and stronger does not change a thing. They are not reflective of Hezbollahs military strength or Israel's success in killing Hezbollah. These are homemade rockets.
Logic hates you.
Every time Israel bombed a bridge, an airport, a power plant they all said it was to hamper the supply lines of Hezbollah to stop them from continuing katyusha attacks on Israel. Yet, katyusha attacks increased as the war progressed.
To sum it up, Israeli attacks on Lebanons infastructure did fuck all besides kill a bunch of civilians.
"A lot of Stupid people in this world, and this forum is a magnet for them"Major_Spittle wrote:
I wish Israel would just carpet bomb Lebanon. I fail to see how anyone there could claim to be a civilian. They allow Hezbollah to live and operate among them which is the same as supporting and helping them. Screw the Muslims, if more countries would just start carpet bombing them, THEY would clean up THEIR terrorist problem.
It's like trying to stop the Nazi's during WWII without harming a German, the Idiots on this board need a few rockets fired at them by Hezbollah, then be force to try to root out the terrorists in Lebanon with a rifle to protect the people supporting your enemy. A lot of Stupid people in this world, and this forum is a magnet for them.
It's a damn good thing we have you to prove this to us, over and over again.
" I wish **** would just carpet bomb the USA. I fail to see how anyone there could claim to be an informed civilian. They allow the corrupt BS to live and operate among them which is the same as supporting terrorists and helping them. 'Screw the USA', if more countries would just start carpet bombing them, THEY would clean up THEIR terrorist problem.
It's like trying to stop the Nazi's during WWII without harming a German, the Idiots on this board need a few rockets fired at them by the USA, then be forced to try to root out the terrorists in the USA with a rifle to protect the people supporting your enemy. A lot of Stupid people in this world, and this forum is a magnet for them.
You fail to recognize that Hesbollah is fighting terror with terror. Anyone incapable of recognition: fail.
katyusha rockets < Merkava tanks
sarcasm:
rusty old russian guns (everywhere in the world) = terrorism
m16 = 'freedom'
occupying other countries: defence
retaliation by the victims: terrorism
the world's media: unbiased
Israel does not kill civilians .. !!?
Hesbollah rockets can be aimed.. !?
Hesbollah is strictly a terror otrganization
(funny because Hesbollah and Hamas provide more social services and support for their people than the Israeli govt does for theirs. These include education, health care, emergency response, utilities etc. these things comprise a PERSON'S FREEDOM.)
Israel is only but defending their homeland
(fail. Israel has increased the size of their land through unilateral force since their inception)
Terrorism is a danger in North America
(Major spittle obviously knows, from personal experience, how being a victim must feel, since he dodges terrorist attacks all day long)
/sarcasm
Major Fail you failed to recognize you just implied your support for the victims, the palestinian and Lebanese people. Explain the difference between IED roadside bombs, and land mines. One is built by your country, one is built in the countryside. Explain how one is right and one is wrong, please, I'd love to hear that.
Hesbollah has no army yet you believe them to be a threat. You believe them to be a threat because you call them terrorists. You call them terrorists because they are rising against oppression.
Therefore you just labelled yourself and your forefathers as terrorists. Good job once again.
Israel supports having less military casualties by bombing indiscriminantly.
Hesbollah can't target anybody with Katyushas. When Israel attacks, they attack the soldiers. The Israelis will kill anyone firing on them, within their ROE, but will also kill everyhting moving within 150 m of their target.
Not part of this planet's ROE. Since when is it acceptible to mow down civilians, since Fallujah?
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Another interesting, yet irrelevent analogy. Because Hezbollah has no standing army nor uniforms, and uses easily made and cheap homemade rockets, it is close to impossible to determine their military strength at a given time.PRiMACORD wrote:
Hahaha, yeah. If i shoot you, miss, and you shoot back, your shooting back is not reflective of my missing you?Fancy_Pollux wrote:
Additionally, the rocket attacks getting stronger and stronger does not change a thing. They are not reflective of Hezbollahs military strength or Israel's success in killing Hezbollah. These are homemade rockets.
Logic hates you.
The increasing attacks are not reflective of their military strength (that is a foolish assumption), only the level of their aggression at that time. Again, it is impossible to determine the military capacity of Hezbollah due to the reasons I just previously listed. Hezbollah may very well be capable of launching 1000 rockets a day. Just because they happened to increase from, for example, 100 to 200 rockets a day would not be indicative of their strength. Additionally, you have Iran and Syria allegedly supplying Hezbollah. But again, all of this is irrelevent because it doesnt change the idea that Israel was justified in attacking Hezbollah in the first place.PRiMACORD wrote:
Every time Israel bombed a bridge, an airport, a power plant they all said it was to hamper the supply lines of Hezbollah to stop them from continuing katyusha attacks on Israel. Yet, katyusha attacks increased as the war progressed.
To sum it up, Israeli attacks on Lebanons infastructure did fuck all besides kill a bunch of civilians.
Fancy_Pollux i got a question for you. What do you do when your country is invaded ? Are you suggesting that self defence is terrorism now a days. And i am referring only to Hezbollah, not Osama. Or Israel has the copyrights to the word "SELF DEFENCE" and Arabs aren't allowed to use it ?
the increasing attacks are a result of their people's vigilance and righteousness in a poor situation. Hesbollah is NOT a military organization. They are a political party that provides social services. There are, however, militant members of Hesbollah. Those marticulars' militant nature is not what got them VOTED INTO POWER
VOTED
VOTED
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