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2006-08-30 03:59:53
lowing
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PRiMACORD wrote:

lowing wrote:

PRiMACORD wrote:


I live in a white neighbourhood, i've never had that problem. My friends are a very mixed group and i have to say, the most racist groups i've ever met were..gasp..white. We just hide it better.

Personally i've never met a non-white person who was genuinely racist. Sure i've met some african americans who had a hint of it but it's not the same superiority related racism that we possess. Their hate is more of retaliatory type formed after years of being looked at different. The subtle stuff adds up.

I've never had a real problem with it but i have noticed the way some of my neighbours look at my friends when they come around, it's subtle but it's always there.

There is a scientific explination for the roots of racism which is a very interesting topic ... for another time
What the hell is an African American?? Where in Africa did these African Americans you mention immagrate from??

If you have never seen racism except from white people, you need to get out more.

If you are NOT a "racist", why did you make sure you moved into an all white neighborhood?
1) They are originally from Africa you dumb shit. Would you rather me call them blacks? I always thought calling someone by there skin color was pretty fucking stupid. IE. Brown people, yellow people, white people, none of that is accurate, it's all generalized bullshit.

2) I've traveled around a lot, probably a lot more then you. PM me if you want to know where.

3) What kind of dumb fuck comment is that. I picked the house not the neighborhood. What do you do, knock on everyones door and make sure it's white enough?
They are AMERICAN NOT AFRICANS."dumb shit" why the separate identity

you traveled around a lot more than me ONLY if you grew up in the military, and joined the military, then worked for an airline with free flight benefits

Don't even begin to think that you are going to try and bullshit me, that you did in fact consider a house in a all black neighborhood and just opted for the full front porch in the white neighborhood. I have been around the block a time or two myself. Or do I just need to avoid the obvious counter post and call you a fuckin' liar now??
2006-08-30 04:04:05
EVieira
Member
+105|6771|Lutenblaag, Molvania

lowing wrote:

Why is it that only whites can be racists?
Maybe because whites ensalved africans for hundreds of years? Or maybe because some white guy tried to make a superior white race in Europe not too long ago? Or also because some real nice guys wearing robes burned flags and denied right to blacks throuhgout the US a couple of decades ago? Or it could be that in South Africa racism there was an apartheid?

I could go on, I'm sure there's plenty more acts of racism and even a great more on discrimination. That is why we whites are deemed racists when we call others names. It recalls our very dark past, a very recent past. And lets face it, racism is still present today.
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered;  the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei  (1564-1642)
2006-08-30 04:18:01
PRiMACORD
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+190|6918|Home of the Escalade Herds

lowing wrote:

They are AMERICAN NOT AFRICANS."dumb shit" why the separate identity
They came from Africa just a generation or 2 ago, just because they were born here does not erase that African heritage. My parents are Italian, i consider myself Italian-American. Just because i was born here doesn't mean i have no ties to Italy. I'm proud of where my blood comes from, fuck you.

lowing wrote:

Don't even begin to think that you are going to try and bullshit me, that you did in fact consider a house in a all black neighborhood and just opted for the full front porch in the white neighborhood. I have been around the block a time or two myself. Or do I just need to avoid the obvious counter post and call you a fuckin' liar now??
You are seriously fucked up if you think i'm racist, go ahead you ignorant shit.

Have you ever been to South Orange County, near the beach? You try finding a house here in an all black neighbourhood, oh right, there is none. Now i'm suppose to say what, this neighbourhood isn't coloured enough for my taste? My house is nice, the area is clean, thats all i care about. You're trying to create something out of nothing and failing as usual. Keep it up grunt.
2006-08-30 04:29:23
1927
The oldest chav in the world
+2,423|6966|Cardiff, Capital of Wales
The worst racists in the Uk are the Paki's themselves.  This includes all types of asians.  And only asians.  Afro Carribeans dont do the following:

You walk into a friendly asian corner shop and they start talking in Hindu, or whatever.  You pay the £1 for your bread, have the change dropped in your hand as the shop owner refuses to touch your dirty white skin.  He almost manages to mutter a thankyou, you leave the shop find the shop owners wife outside coughing up a big green back spider and spitting it on the floor.

You return to work, an hour later the same chap and his "buddy" come to your shop, they see the goods are priced, they still ask how much?  When you tell them, they mutter amonsgt themselves in what ever language they use then ask for money to be knocked off.

Ive come to learn, pay what you have to in their business but stick 30% ontop of yours.  Knock 10% off, their happy as larry and you make an extra 20% due to their barterring.

Im not racist I have many asian, afro, multi cultural friends.  I just think this is our culture, we do things our way, if you don't agree, fuck off.
2006-08-30 05:24:29
imortal
Member
+240|6958|Austin, TX

PRiMACORD wrote:

lowing wrote:

They are AMERICAN NOT AFRICANS."dumb shit" why the separate identity
They came from Africa just a generation or 2 ago, just because they were born here does not erase that African heritage. My parents are Italian, i consider myself Italian-American. Just because i was born here doesn't mean i have no ties to Italy. I'm proud of where my blood comes from, fuck you.
That is not entirely correct.  If we assume the last slave ship arrived in 1865, at the end of the civil war (they actually stopped sooner, but I am just making a point), and estimate an average of 30 years per generation (commonly, a generation is about 20 - 25 years), then the most recent a black family can claim a former slave in their family tree is about 6 generations ago, from the people most likely to be playing this game.
If a person was born in 1864, they would have been 80 in 1924.  If they had a kid when they were 75, then that child would be 80 in 1995.  If that person had a child when they were 75, then that grandchild of slavery would be 11 years old right now, and playing BF2 with everyone else.  Note the ages there.  How many 75 year olds are having kids these days?  That is what I had to do to try to make it a 'generation or 2 ago.'

by the way, why do the Dutch escape the whole slavery issue with a clean slate?  They are the ones who actually took the slaves transported them, and sold them in America.

Oh, and to really play with your minds, the Dutch hired African tribes and gave them 'modern' weapons. Those tribes fought their neighboring tribes, who they had been fighting with for generations.  The Dutch supported tribes won, of course, thanks the the firearms provided by the Dutch.  The tribes then sold the losing tribes as slaves to the Dutch in exchange for more guns and other fun products of civilization.  And yet it is America that always bears the brunt for the slavery issue.  Okay, America was the end user, granted.  But do you only blame the drug user for the drug trade, or do you also blame the drug lords and dealers?  There are arguments both ways; interested what the rest of you think.
2006-08-30 05:28:55
BoomBox
Member
+3|6750|Israel
You are so right.

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2006-08-30 05:36:07
imortal
Member
+240|6958|Austin, TX

EVieira wrote:

lowing wrote:

Why is it that only whites can be racists?
Maybe because whites ensalved africans for hundreds of years? Or maybe because some white guy tried to make a superior white race in Europe not too long ago? Or also because some real nice guys wearing robes burned flags and denied right to blacks throuhgout the US a couple of decades ago? Or it could be that in South Africa racism there was an apartheid?

I could go on, I'm sure there's plenty more acts of racism and even a great more on discrimination. That is why we whites are deemed racists when we call others names. It recalls our very dark past, a very recent past. And lets face it, racism is still present today.
So, you would blame a woman in Illinois in the middle of america today for the actions of a German leader that died more than 60 years ago?

Okay, There were black slaves in America for about 200 years.   Again, in another post, I asked why the Dutch avoided blame for transporting the slaves.  South Africa was a Dutch colony.  Still pissed at America, though?

The Romans also kept slaves.  The difference is that they were not race based.

As I believe those men in robes were fighting to keep those blacks from getting to excercise thier newly found rights, not denying them what they already had.  That, admittidly, is a minor difference.

Look around the world.  There is hate there for anything different.  If you do not see it, then you are not looking closely.  Anyone different is suspect.  Prodestant vs. Catholic, Shiite vs. Sunni, Socialist vs. Capitolist, left vs. right.  Everyone has a suspicion of anything different.  Everyone does.  It is a survival response.  The known is survivable.  The unknown can kill you.  The difference is in how we are raised.  Our enviroment.  How we are taught.  America, for all of its differences, is nearly a model to the rest of the country of how to live together in peace.  No, it is not perfect, and it is a slow, painful, and still ongoing process.  But it is still among the best in the world.
2006-08-30 07:06:24
Erkut.hv
Member
+124|7028|California

imortal wrote:

America, for all of its differences, is nearly a model to the rest of the country
Lol, I get what you were going for, but it's still funny.
2006-08-30 07:18:15
SharkyMcshark
I'll take two
+132|7078|Perth, Western Australia
Point is that the people who have these "offensive" (<<---- Sarcasm) events, organisations, and days, were down trodden upon for centuries because of their race. Ergo through the promotion of these events it is hoped that we might realise the atrocities that have been commited in the past and never do such things again.
2006-08-30 09:15:00
EVieira
Member
+105|6771|Lutenblaag, Molvania

imortal wrote:

EVieira wrote:

lowing wrote:

Why is it that only whites can be racists?
Maybe because whites ensalved africans for hundreds of years? Or maybe because some white guy tried to make a superior white race in Europe not too long ago? Or also because some real nice guys wearing robes burned flags and denied right to blacks throuhgout the US a couple of decades ago? Or it could be that in South Africa racism there was an apartheid?

I could go on, I'm sure there's plenty more acts of racism and even a great more on discrimination. That is why we whites are deemed racists when we call others names. It recalls our very dark past, a very recent past. And lets face it, racism is still present today.
So, you would blame a woman in Illinois in the middle of america today for the actions of a German leader that died more than 60 years ago?

Okay, There were black slaves in America for about 200 years.   Again, in another post, I asked why the Dutch avoided blame for transporting the slaves.  South Africa was a Dutch colony.  Still pissed at America, though?
Wtf? My post was not directed at the US or any country in general, but I wonder why you got so defensive...

imortal wrote:

The Romans also kept slaves.  The difference is that they were not race based.

As I believe those men in robes were fighting to keep those blacks from getting to excercise thier newly found rights, not denying them what they already had.  That, admittidly, is a minor difference.
So is there a point to this minor difference? Does it make them less racist? Does it justifiy in way what they did and still do? That's right, the KKK still exists...

imortal wrote:

Look around the world.  There is hate there for anything different.  If you do not see it, then you are not looking closely.  Anyone different is suspect.  Prodestant vs. Catholic, Shiite vs. Sunni, Socialist vs. Capitolist, left vs. right.  Everyone has a suspicion of anything different.  Everyone does.  It is a survival response.  The known is survivable.  The unknown can kill you.  The difference is in how we are raised.  Our enviroment.  How we are taught.  America, for all of its differences, is nearly a model to the rest of the country of how to live together in peace.  No, it is not perfect, and it is a slow, painful, and still ongoing process.  But it is still among the best in the world.
I beg to differ, imortal. America is known for having "white neighborhoods" and "black neighborhoods". White and black kids rarely mix together in school, even the classes they take are usually different. And the OJ Simpson trial and the riots in LA are good examples that Ameira is waaaaay far from being a model country in terms of racism, discrimantion and prejudice.
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered;  the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei  (1564-1642)
2006-08-30 09:36:23
jonsimon
Member
+224|6788

EVieira wrote:

I beg to differ, imortal. America is known for having "white neighborhoods" and "black neighborhoods". White and black kids rarely mix together in school, even the classes they take are usually different. And the OJ Simpson trial and the riots in LA are good examples that Ameira is waaaaay far from being a model country in terms of racism, discrimantion and prejudice.
Uhhh. No? Yes, there are some extremes like ghettos or the prissy rich neighborhoods, but your average suburban neighborhood varies from place to place. Stop making generalizations, you're perpetuating racism.

And black and white kids, if they go to same school, are not only mixed, but take the same classes.
2006-08-30 09:48:19
imortal
Member
+240|6958|Austin, TX

Erkut.hv wrote:

imortal wrote:

America, for all of its differences, is nearly a model to the rest of the country
Lol, I get what you were going for, but it's still funny.
Ok, oops.  meant the rest of the world, sorry.  Yes, it is funny the way I said it.
2006-08-30 09:50:40
EVieira
Member
+105|6771|Lutenblaag, Molvania

jonsimon wrote:

EVieira wrote:

I beg to differ, imortal. America is known for having "white neighborhoods" and "black neighborhoods". White and black kids rarely mix together in school, even the classes they take are usually different. And the OJ Simpson trial and the riots in LA are good examples that Ameira is waaaaay far from being a model country in terms of racism, discrimantion and prejudice.
Uhhh. No? Yes, there are some extremes like ghettos or the prissy rich neighborhoods, but your average suburban neighborhood varies from place to place. Stop making generalizations, you're perpetuating racism.

And black and white kids, if they go to same school, are not only mixed, but take the same classes.
When I first posted here I was not talking about the US, but when some guy said the US is a model country, that is just some very near-sighted argument. About white and black neighborhoods, I'm not the only one saying that in this topic.

And about kids being in the same school getting mixed, I don't know if that happens in private schools, but all the public ones I attended black, whites, latinos, and imigrants tended to make very diferent groups in the classrooms and in recess.

And these are not generalizations, they are my personal experiences.

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"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered;  the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei  (1564-1642)
2006-08-30 10:15:02
jonsimon
Member
+224|6788

EVieira wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

EVieira wrote:

I beg to differ, imortal. America is known for having "white neighborhoods" and "black neighborhoods". White and black kids rarely mix together in school, even the classes they take are usually different. And the OJ Simpson trial and the riots in LA are good examples that Ameira is waaaaay far from being a model country in terms of racism, discrimantion and prejudice.
Uhhh. No? Yes, there are some extremes like ghettos or the prissy rich neighborhoods, but your average suburban neighborhood varies from place to place. Stop making generalizations, you're perpetuating racism.

And black and white kids, if they go to same school, are not only mixed, but take the same classes.
When I first posted here I was not talking about the US, but when some guy said the US is a model country, that is just some very near-sighted argument. About white and black neighborhoods, I'm not the only one saying that in this topic.

And about kids being in the same school getting mixed, I don't know if that happens in private schools, but all the public ones I attended black, whites, latinos, and imigrants tended to make very diferent groups in the classrooms and in recess.

And these are not generalizations, they are my personal experiences.
So kids like to hang out with people they can relate to? Obviously jocks are racist against nerds, considering they have different cliques.

Unless you have had personal experiences with every school in the nation, they are generalizations when you claim they exist in all schools.
2006-08-30 10:15:13
imortal
Member
+240|6958|Austin, TX

EVieira wrote:

imortal wrote:

EVieira wrote:

Maybe because whites ensalved africans for hundreds of years? Or maybe because some white guy tried to make a superior white race in Europe not too long ago? Or also because some real nice guys wearing robes burned flags and denied right to blacks throuhgout the US a couple of decades ago? Or it could be that in South Africa racism there was an apartheid?

I could go on, I'm sure there's plenty more acts of racism and even a great more on discrimination. That is why we whites are deemed racists when we call others names. It recalls our very dark past, a very recent past. And lets face it, racism is still present today.
So, you would blame a woman in Illinois in the middle of america today for the actions of a German leader that died more than 60 years ago?

Okay, There were black slaves in America for about 200 years.   Again, in another post, I asked why the Dutch avoided blame for transporting the slaves.  South Africa was a Dutch colony.  Still pissed at America, though?
Wtf? My post was not directed at the US or any country in general, but I wonder why you got so defensive...
No, actually your post was directed to provide a possible excuse justifying racism against whites.  A pretty weak one, at that, which is why I attacked it.  Oh, and as to me seeming to get defensive, attacking a person instead of the idea is the sign of an unsupportable argument.

EVieira wrote:

imortal wrote:

The Romans also kept slaves.  The difference is that they were not race based.

As I believe those men in robes were fighting to keep those blacks from getting to excercise thier newly found rights, not denying them what they already had.  That, admittidly, is a minor difference.
So is there a point to this minor difference? Does it make them less racist? Does it justifiy in way what they did and still do? That's right, the KKK still exists...
Yes, the KKK still exists, I am sorry to say.  So does the neo-nazi movement and the American Communist Party.  The United States have no shortage of idiots.  They are the exception, however, and not the standard.

EVieira wrote:

imortal wrote:

Look around the world.  There is hate there for anything different.  If you do not see it, then you are not looking closely.  Anyone different is suspect.  Prodestant vs. Catholic, Shiite vs. Sunni, Socialist vs. Capitolist, left vs. right.  Everyone has a suspicion of anything different.  Everyone does.  It is a survival response.  The known is survivable.  The unknown can kill you.  The difference is in how we are raised.  Our enviroment.  How we are taught.  America, for all of its differences, is nearly a model to the rest of the country of how to live together in peace.  No, it is not perfect, and it is a slow, painful, and still ongoing process.  But it is still among the best in the world.
I beg to differ, imortal. America is known for having "white neighborhoods" and "black neighborhoods". White and black kids rarely mix together in school, even the classes they take are usually different. And the OJ Simpson trial and the riots in LA are good examples that Ameira is waaaaay far from being a model country in terms of racism, discrimantion and prejudice.
America is known?  How much experience do you have with America?  Have you lived here?  Do you live here?  Where?  I ask this to determine the background behind your assumptions.  I was also curious if you have any first hand experience that your opinion is based on.  If you take things, ANYTHING, that happens in LA as typical of the rest of the country, then you have no experience with America.  Same with NY city.  ***NOTE- If any of you live in LA or NYC, I stand by my statement; get out every once in a while and see the rest of the country.***  If you want to see a riot, look in any European city during soccer (football) season on the night of any home game.

I never claimed that America is perfect in the area of rascism.  There is no other country in the world both as diverse AND with a high population that handles race relations as well as America.  There are countries that do very well with one or two minorities.  Most, not even that.  Sure, there are bound to be mistakes.  But compare the area with the rest of the country.  Realize that New York City, the largest city in America has about 14 million people.  That is more than some countries, and yet it is only about 3% of our nations population. 

As to white and black neighborhoods.  Sure, they exist.  But those 'black' neighborhoods are just as unaccepting of whites as the 'white' neighborhoods are of blacks.  The only difference is that the 'white neighborhoods' get sued to allow anyone to move in, and the black ones do not.  both types of neighborhoods are shrinking, however, and becoming fewer in number; they are also mainly found in larger, more established cities.  There are also asian, hispanic, and itallian neighborhoods.
2006-08-30 10:17:23
Jusster
Pimpin aint Easy
+11|6770|H-Town

luckeydogg wrote:

http://www.petitiononline.com/tas1488/petition.html
84 total signatures Now thats funny

Jusster
2006-08-30 10:26:23
imortal
Member
+240|6958|Austin, TX

EVieira wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

EVieira wrote:

I beg to differ, imortal. America is known for having "white neighborhoods" and "black neighborhoods". White and black kids rarely mix together in school, even the classes they take are usually different. And the OJ Simpson trial and the riots in LA are good examples that Ameira is waaaaay far from being a model country in terms of racism, discrimantion and prejudice.
Uhhh. No? Yes, there are some extremes like ghettos or the prissy rich neighborhoods, but your average suburban neighborhood varies from place to place. Stop making generalizations, you're perpetuating racism.

And black and white kids, if they go to same school, are not only mixed, but take the same classes.
When I first posted here I was not talking about the US, but when some guy said the US is a model country, that is just some very near-sighted argument. About white and black neighborhoods, I'm not the only one saying that in this topic.

And about kids being in the same school getting mixed, I don't know if that happens in private schools, but all the public ones I attended black, whites, latinos, and imigrants tended to make very diferent groups in the classrooms and in recess.

And these are not generalizations, they are my personal experiences.
You are correct, thes kids will group together and form 'clicks.'  Because they have similar backgrounds, and find it easier to relate to one another.  But this happens with everyone, not just with one or two races.  This is something that public schools need to work on, and it is difficult to.   The clicks can grow and be impossible to later change from one to another.  The same kind of groups form everywhere, however.  On the streets and in neighborhoods as gangs, and in prisons.  It is human nature to seek out a group you are comfortable in.  However, those groups are self enforced, and not pressed upon them from the outside.  If a group chooses to stay together and exclude outsiders, then it is not racism against that group.
2006-08-30 15:48:35
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6944|USA

PRiMACORD wrote:

lowing wrote:

They are AMERICAN NOT AFRICANS."dumb shit" why the separate identity
They came from Africa just a generation or 2 ago, just because they were born here does not erase that African heritage. My parents are Italian, i consider myself Italian-American. Just because i was born here doesn't mean i have no ties to Italy. I'm proud of where my blood comes from, fuck you.

lowing wrote:

Don't even begin to think that you are going to try and bullshit me, that you did in fact consider a house in a all black neighborhood and just opted for the full front porch in the white neighborhood. I have been around the block a time or two myself. Or do I just need to avoid the obvious counter post and call you a fuckin' liar now??
You are seriously fucked up if you think i'm racist, go ahead you ignorant shit.

Have you ever been to South Orange County, near the beach? You try finding a house here in an all black neighbourhood, oh right, there is none. Now i'm suppose to say what, this neighbourhood isn't coloured enough for my taste? My house is nice, the area is clean, thats all i care about. You're trying to create something out of nothing and failing as usual. Keep it up grunt.
A generation or 2??!!.....250 yrs is a lot longer than a generation or 2 genius. So as a white guy, like the original post said, is a racist if HE is proud of HIS race and heritage as well huh?? Are you going to tell me if you found a house in an all black neighborhood that was nice, yo would have bought it?? Again you are a fuckin' liar!!! Do not preach to any of us about racism, when you yourself live in an all white area on PURPOSE. Because there just wasn't a black community for you to move to, IN CALIFORNIA!!.YA ok.


I never called you a racist, I asked why you are living in an all white neighborhood?? And now the fact that you are a liar is established.

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2006-08-30 15:54:37
Sgt.Kyle
Kyle
+48|6776|P-way, NJ
I wish i lived in a all white community.
2006-08-30 15:59:07
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6848

Sgt.Kyle wrote:

I wish i lived in a all white community.
Go to Munich in Bavaria. The most racially homogenous city I have EVER been to. May have something to do with the legacy of nearby Dachau however.

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2006-08-30 16:13:03
[=][=]DADDYOFDEATH
Member
+46|6745|Bradford UK
hes quite right, im a uk soldier, and uk police officers are scared to arrest Muslims and all non whites for fear of a backlash from divided cultures/backgrounds. i've seen it downtown on a saturday night pissed up....now a drunk man is the wisest man on earth. now i'll stfu!!
2006-08-30 16:57:34
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6944|USA
Anyone that says they have no problem moving to a minority neighborhood , and have their kids go to a minority school is a liar hands down no ifs and or buts. White are no different than any other race, we too, choose to live amongst our own JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. I offer all the different races that have their own communities in NYC as an example. Primacord.YOU are a liar.

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2006-08-30 17:12:24
PRiMACORD
Member
+190|6918|Home of the Escalade Herds

lowing wrote:

Are you going to tell me if you found a house in an all black neighborhood that was nice, yo would have bought it?? Again you are a fuckin' liar!!! Do not preach to any of us about racism, when you yourself live in an all white area on PURPOSE. Because there just wasn't a black community for you to move to, IN CALIFORNIA!!.YA ok.
Thank you for confirming you are the dumb shit i thought you were.

Also, thank you for telling me it's not ok to call people who recently migrated from Africa, African Americans and that it is better to call them black.

It's fucking histerical that you would rather call them something as condescending as black rather then a scientifically proper term like African-American.

I feel sorry for you.
2006-08-30 17:22:42
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6944|USA

PRiMACORD wrote:

lowing wrote:

Are you going to tell me if you found a house in an all black neighborhood that was nice, yo would have bought it?? Again you are a fuckin' liar!!! Do not preach to any of us about racism, when you yourself live in an all white area on PURPOSE. Because there just wasn't a black community for you to move to, IN CALIFORNIA!!.YA ok.
Thank you for confirming you are the dumb shit i thought you were.

Also, thank you for telling me it's not ok to call people who recently migrated from Africa, African Americans and that it is better to call them black.

It's fucking histerical that you would rather call them something as condescending as black rather then a scientifically proper term like African-American.

I feel sorry for you.
Oh my mistake, the black communities in America JUST got here from Africa...LOL and you call me the DUMB SHIT?? You side stepped my post completely and started calling me names, yet you did not challenge my accusation...I love it. Because the truth is YOU CAN'T without continually being the BOLD FACED liar that you already established yourself as.

No need to feel sorry for me, I am not the one who has to lie on the internet. LOL

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