BF2S Forums Call to arms, for the Americans only, but non-Americans can chime in.

Abraham Lincoln wrote:

Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right, which we hope and believe is to liberate the world.

http://www.nonviolent-conflict.org/PDF/ … RiseUp.pdf

"We are a sad crumbling Republic..."

It's not even close to how bad it has been in the past, nor do we have it as bad as some other countries.

Stay positive or move to Canada (they speak English).

Pug wrote:

It's not even close to how bad it has been in the past, nor do we have it as bad as some other countries.

Stay positive or move to Canada (they speak English).

A very good, challenging question.

The state of American education is for me the primary factor. We Americans are as a whole not well educated. We are certainly dumber than we used to be. We are less curious about the world, we are less knowledgeable of history than were our forefathers. We approach post-secondary education (college) as a means toward gainful employment, rather than as a means toward a well-rounded, meaningful education.

It pains me to read letters written by common men during, for example, the period of the American Revolution. Self-educated men wrote on a variety of topics with a passion and eloquence that trumps anything I could hope to produce, even with a 4-year degree from a reputable, well-known university.

Some pay lip service to the "liberal arts education" but the term means nothing any more. We have come to define success through numbers rather than through trusting our own individual sense of happiness and fulfillment. As such we champion our own selfish interests while trampling on the greater good of the country and of the world.

At the end of the day, if we are happy with the state of our bank accounts, we believe the world to be in good order, and we can plop down on the sofa to watch Prison Break without a care in the world. We have grown fat and ignorant off of our own successes. We have become so comfortable that we don't believe it's necessary to really challenge ourselves any more.

Out of this eroded education comes a diminished worldview. Our moral relativism allows us to be easily pursuaded. We allow other people to worry about the important stuff. Smart people realize this and, lacking a moral compass of their own, manipulate the situation for their own benefit.

Education is the key here. Fundamentally speaking, we need to convince ourselves that education is its own reward, and not the job that comes as a result of it.

I would highly recommend an excellent, provocative book for anyone interested in studying the subject: "The Closing of the American Mind" written in 1987 by Allan Bloom, since deceased, who had been a professor of philosophy at Cornell and University of Chicago. Amazon link here.

Vote Libertarian.

if people hate and bad mouth this country so much they should either get the fuck out, or work through democratic means to change things

Crumbling Republic?  You have got to be joking?  There are countries in Africa where rebels cut off the heads of children, put them in a bag, and show them to the mothers of the dead children.  After you see something like that, how can you even use the word crumbling?

I cant say that our republic is crumbling after what usmarine2005 said. But I will say that I believe that our government is stumbling further and further away from the "By the people, For the people." Im not saying which party since they are all filled with not nessecarily corrupt people but they definitly look after themselves before the people they are supposed to represent. Which can be said for all levels government public figureheads.   I firmly agree with old Ben Franklin and think that these political positions should not be given salaries. Perhaps a per diem rate, but they should be doing this for the love of country not because they get paid 150,000+ a year. Not including benifits.

Well as a Canadian your all welcome up here if you want to move. We got plenty of room.

MAJ-DMK- wrote:

Well as a Canadian your all welcome up here if you want to move. We got plenty of room.

Not in toronto. You get like a whole 3 points on immigration if you're not going to live in the GTA.

MAJ-DMK- wrote:

Well as a Canadian your all welcome up here if you want to move. We got plenty of room.

I lived in Canada for a few years.  I love Canada.  No offense meant on the Canada comment...

DesertFox423 wrote:

Pug wrote:

Stay positive or move to Canada (they speak English).

D00D! Haven't you seen what they do there? That movie The Whole Nine Yards? They put MAYONNAISE ON BURGERS! (according to the film)

You guys don't put mayonnaise on hamburgers?

Seriously though I firmly believe the solutions to all the problems in the United States lie within those two eternal documents, the Declaration of Independence and The Constitution. If you don't have a copy of both in your room or office you should.

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States."

People don't talk like that anymore, and we don't act like that anymore either. This country was founded on rebellion, and we are brought up to be good Americans like TV tells us, instead of good Americans the way Thomas Jefferson told us.

Yes, I am not an American, but I love America, not necessarily its leaders or foreign policy, but the ideals it was founded upon. And those ideals are still the same ones that can save America today.

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government."