Psssh. Medieval Britain has nothing on the vatican. In fact, back then Britain wasn't esspecially cruel at all. It was the norm all across europe. You think drawing and quartering is bad? Man, I would prefer it to being burned at the stake.JohnnySupreme wrote:
Historically the English/British have been mush more evil and nasty than just about anyone else. We could go back to medeival times when we would attack towns and villages, kill all the men, rape all the women and burn the place down. The Scotish have still not forgoten that one. Ever seen Braveheart? We really did hang, draw and quarter the man. Wallace has 4 burial sites in different ends of the UK. Nice!
Then we started on the world and founded the British Empire. Thats full of lovely stories too.
The difference is that we now live in the 21st century. The world is a very different place now. Im not saying that America is a modern day Britain (in terms of our Empire), in fact we have gone way off track here. What I am saying is that we should all be doing something to make the workd a better place instead of fighting wars that benefit a handful of nations. My country fight alongside your people as one. This unity is good if the power is used properly but who is to decide that.
So I am not saying that my country is better than yours and neither should you. That attitude which you first took was what got me so pissed off.
^^^^^^^ All for usmarine2005 ^^^^^^^^
Jemme101
you can not read!
You have never been in an american history class in the USA.
You have no reason for making those comments without evidence.
I told you what is taught in American history class with native americans!
Your a troll!
Try reading a bad history, but a good starter--- Bury my Heart at Wound Knee- By dee Brown
Or
At the CrossRoads: Indians & Empires on a Mid-Atlantic Frontier -by Merritt, Jane T.
But I do not expect you too since you are a troll and a chicken for quiting!
you can not read!
You have never been in an american history class in the USA.
You have no reason for making those comments without evidence.
I told you what is taught in American history class with native americans!
Your a troll!
Try reading a bad history, but a good starter--- Bury my Heart at Wound Knee- By dee Brown
Or
At the CrossRoads: Indians & Empires on a Mid-Atlantic Frontier -by Merritt, Jane T.
But I do not expect you too since you are a troll and a chicken for quiting!
True. A choice of medieval death method would not be a fun choice to make.jonsimon wrote:
Psssh. Medieval Britain has nothing on the vatican. In fact, back then Britain wasn't esspecially cruel at all. It was the norm all across europe. You think drawing and quartering is bad? Man, I would prefer it to being burned at the stake.JohnnySupreme wrote:
Historically the English/British have been mush more evil and nasty than just about anyone else. We could go back to medeival times when we would attack towns and villages, kill all the men, rape all the women and burn the place down. The Scotish have still not forgoten that one. Ever seen Braveheart? We really did hang, draw and quarter the man. Wallace has 4 burial sites in different ends of the UK. Nice!
Then we started on the world and founded the British Empire. Thats full of lovely stories too.
The difference is that we now live in the 21st century. The world is a very different place now. Im not saying that America is a modern day Britain (in terms of our Empire), in fact we have gone way off track here. What I am saying is that we should all be doing something to make the workd a better place instead of fighting wars that benefit a handful of nations. My country fight alongside your people as one. This unity is good if the power is used properly but who is to decide that.
So I am not saying that my country is better than yours and neither should you. That attitude which you first took was what got me so pissed off.
^^^^^^^ All for usmarine2005 ^^^^^^^^
Yep, as I said, it is.JohnnySupreme wrote:
Yes its a pointless war in many ways.Poseidon wrote:
I don't care if you insult the war...I agree, it's a pointless war, if we wanted to take out terrorism we should have gone to Iran.Bernadictus wrote:
Your whole damn continent needs to be banned, from the world, and at the rate your goverment is going, north-korea will soon do that banning.
Glorifying an army is pure mental insanes. I went to america about a year ago, and people at the airport actually applause for those who were dumb enough to do the oil war for mr. G. W. Bush.
I do not have problems with the US, I have a problem with your damn foreign policy, letting others do your fighting! The Dutch in afghanistan, the Brits, Italian, Japanese; all fighting your so-called war for democracy!
We need to be banned? Just remember that if it wasn't for us Europe would probably still be under nazi-control. While this war is not very justified in my eyes, we've had many other wars which were needed at the time to help keep the world controlled. This war however is spiraling in a downwards motion due to the insurgency. We may have the firepower but the insurgency may never end.
But don't rag on the TROOPS...you think all of them support this war? They have no CHOICE if they're already in the army. They'd probably rather be stationed at a base in Alabama right now or home with family, but they go in because 1) it helps pay for college and they want to and 2) They want to serve their country no matter what and protect the USA.
And what's wrong with glorifying or supporting an army? They're the people who protect you, and you should support your country's army. Just like I've got no problem with the NK people supporting their army, if they like the govt, i've got no problem.
So the Americans saved Europe did they? Thats a very big statement to make and pisses me off! You helped and that has always been appreciated but the American attitude of, "We saved you all and won the war for you" is bullshit.
...and how is fighting a war in Iraq protecting your country? America has never properly been invaded.
The fact is, WE DID WIN THE WAR FOR YOU. France had fallen, the rest of europe was next, Russia already suffered great losses, and Britain would have been annihilated from airstrikes. I'm not saying this is why you should always support us, but to say we should be "banned" or basically wiped away from earth is not the best thing to say.
Although Al Qaeda IS in Iraq, it's not [protecting us]. Precise reason why I don't support the war. You should still support your troops though, as I do. I will support them and send money to funds for wives of soldiers, etc etc. Just because they're (mostly) american citizens from america who are fighting for one of america's wars.
What a monumental pile of fucking bollocks. Sentimental my ringpiece. 3 and a half minutes glorifying violence and a monumental fuckup.
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Do you say the same about movies glorifying the IRA?CameronPoe wrote:
What a monumental pile of fucking bollocks. Sentimental my ringpiece. 3 and a half minutes glorifying violence and a monumental fuckup.
Pretty much yeah. The modern IRA ain't exactly the most noble collection of characters in the world. I'll put it like this - a WWII montage would have been better - with less snippets of soldiers hungrily brandishing heavy duty weaponry and pictures of civilian areas such as Baghdad city centre being blown apart.usmarine2005 wrote:
Do you say the same about movies glorifying the IRA?CameronPoe wrote:
What a monumental pile of fucking bollocks. Sentimental my ringpiece. 3 and a half minutes glorifying violence and a monumental fuckup.
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Best example of American "History" - Better known as - "There is no other History then that off America.ht_fly wrote:
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What are you replying on? And why are you dragging in the native americans, when we are discussing global issues/history?
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When I was watching that I remembered the difference in the size of a supercarrier and that little rowboat called the Essex. Back on topic, that song makes that video the best internet video I've ever seen. When I was watching it I knew that I would never be able to comprehend what the hell is going on over there. This is my Thank-You to all of our armed forces. God really needs to establish a pernament residence in Iraq.
Captain "Still too young" Kris
Captain "Still too young" Kris
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CameronPoe wrote:
What a monumental pile of fucking bollocks. Sentimental my ringpiece. 3 and a half minutes glorifying violence and a monumental fuckup.
Doesn't BF2 glorify violence?JohnnyBlanco wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:
What a monumental pile of fucking bollocks. Sentimental my ringpiece. 3 and a half minutes glorifying violence and a monumental fuckup.
But it brings with itself redeeming qualities, its purpose is not to glorify violence.usmarine2005 wrote:
Doesn't BF2 glorify violence?JohnnyBlanco wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:
What a monumental pile of fucking bollocks. Sentimental my ringpiece. 3 and a half minutes glorifying violence and a monumental fuckup.
Sorry video didn't "touch" me at all. It was partially the horrible music and partially cause there was nothing sad or patriotic about it in my opinion. Just a bunch of lame pictures. Don't get me wrong I like america, this video is just a lame cheaply made youtube video and why the hell you pussys cry about it is beyond me.
Bernadictus
Responding to Jemme101 comments on US history education and native americans.
That is all, that is it.
I also commented here or in another post, that it is pointless to argue about who did what when, even more so when the dutch and english are involved, cause their history of resistance and all that other stuff.( that would be props to our oversea motha fuckers aka "friends")That would be me saying something nice cause I think thread has turned into a rant of bullshit.
Nothing else.
Responding to Jemme101 comments on US history education and native americans.
That is all, that is it.
I also commented here or in another post, that it is pointless to argue about who did what when, even more so when the dutch and english are involved, cause their history of resistance and all that other stuff.( that would be props to our oversea motha fuckers aka "friends")That would be me saying something nice cause I think thread has turned into a rant of bullshit.
Nothing else.
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Yes, but not in a unhealthy way and bf2 is too unrealistic to be considered violent. Its hard to feel sympathetic towards the allied troops in Iraq when they are there for the wrong reasons, i feel more sorry for them then anything else to be honest.usmarine2005 wrote:
Doesn't BF2 glorify violence?JohnnyBlanco wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:
What a monumental pile of fucking bollocks. Sentimental my ringpiece. 3 and a half minutes glorifying violence and a monumental fuckup.
Please, no more of that "U.S saved Britain from Nazi Germany", it really is an insult to just about everyone, from all theatres, that fought that war. I don't even think U.S veterans think that, it's only the stupid kids of nowadays...Poseidon wrote:
Yep, as I said, it is.JohnnySupreme wrote:
Yes its a pointless war in many ways.Poseidon wrote:
I don't care if you insult the war...I agree, it's a pointless war, if we wanted to take out terrorism we should have gone to Iran.
We need to be banned? Just remember that if it wasn't for us Europe would probably still be under nazi-control. While this war is not very justified in my eyes, we've had many other wars which were needed at the time to help keep the world controlled. This war however is spiraling in a downwards motion due to the insurgency. We may have the firepower but the insurgency may never end.
But don't rag on the TROOPS...you think all of them support this war? They have no CHOICE if they're already in the army. They'd probably rather be stationed at a base in Alabama right now or home with family, but they go in because 1) it helps pay for college and they want to and 2) They want to serve their country no matter what and protect the USA.
And what's wrong with glorifying or supporting an army? They're the people who protect you, and you should support your country's army. Just like I've got no problem with the NK people supporting their army, if they like the govt, i've got no problem.
So the Americans saved Europe did they? Thats a very big statement to make and pisses me off! You helped and that has always been appreciated but the American attitude of, "We saved you all and won the war for you" is bullshit.
...and how is fighting a war in Iraq protecting your country? America has never properly been invaded.
The fact is, WE DID WIN THE WAR FOR YOU. France had fallen, the rest of europe was next, Russia already suffered great losses, and Britain would have been annihilated from airstrikes. I'm not saying this is why you should always support us, but to say we should be "banned" or basically wiped away from earth is not the best thing to say.
Although Al Qaeda IS in Iraq, it's not [protecting us]. Precise reason why I don't support the war. You should still support your troops though, as I do. I will support them and send money to funds for wives of soldiers, etc etc. Just because they're (mostly) american citizens from america who are fighting for one of america's wars.
If it makes you feel any better, if the US didn't have britain I highly doubt we'd win WWII either. It was a dependence on each other.Mekstizzle wrote:
Please, no more of that "U.S saved Britain from Nazi Germany", it really is an insult to just about everyone, from all theatres, that fought that war. I don't even think U.S veterans think that, it's only the stupid kids of nowadays...Poseidon wrote:
Yep, as I said, it is.JohnnySupreme wrote:
Yes its a pointless war in many ways.
So the Americans saved Europe did they? Thats a very big statement to make and pisses me off! You helped and that has always been appreciated but the American attitude of, "We saved you all and won the war for you" is bullshit.
...and how is fighting a war in Iraq protecting your country? America has never properly been invaded.
The fact is, WE DID WIN THE WAR FOR YOU. France had fallen, the rest of europe was next, Russia already suffered great losses, and Britain would have been annihilated from airstrikes. I'm not saying this is why you should always support us, but to say we should be "banned" or basically wiped away from earth is not the best thing to say.
Although Al Qaeda IS in Iraq, it's not [protecting us]. Precise reason why I don't support the war. You should still support your troops though, as I do. I will support them and send money to funds for wives of soldiers, etc etc. Just because they're (mostly) american citizens from america who are fighting for one of america's wars.
As far as cool music on military videos is concerned, check out this one:
http://media.putfile.com/Japan_self_def … ces_mov_01
Pirates of the Caribbean + JSDF.
http://media.putfile.com/Japan_self_def … ces_mov_01
Pirates of the Caribbean + JSDF.
Good music but it could have done with a bit less of the image clip-show and a bit more video footage.Gentlesouljah.e wrote:
I was watching some very graphic videos of the Iraqi sniper known as Juba, when I came across this video as well. Its probably one of the best videos i've ever seen on the internet. I almost cryed really.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gyKjE1VUqBc& … mp;search=
The music really makes the video great, make sure you got your speakers up high.
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I don't understand this whole 'saved your ass' argument that's going back and forth 'over the pond,' so to speak. Every Ally who fought contributed their own blood and sweat in the war against the Axis powers, and it's not right to belittle any of it. Then again, it looks an awful lot like the rivalry that exists between branches of our military.Poseidon wrote:
If it makes you feel any better, if the US didn't have britain I highly doubt we'd win WWII either. It was a dependence on each other.Mekstizzle wrote:
Please, no more of that "U.S saved Britain from Nazi Germany", it really is an insult to just about everyone, from all theatres, that fought that war. I don't even think U.S veterans think that, it's only the stupid kids of nowadays...Poseidon wrote:
Yep, as I said, it is.
The fact is, WE DID WIN THE WAR FOR YOU. France had fallen, the rest of europe was next, Russia already suffered great losses, and Britain would have been annihilated from airstrikes. I'm not saying this is why you should always support us, but to say we should be "banned" or basically wiped away from earth is not the best thing to say.
Although Al Qaeda IS in Iraq, it's not [protecting us]. Precise reason why I don't support the war. You should still support your troops though, as I do. I will support them and send money to funds for wives of soldiers, etc etc. Just because they're (mostly) american citizens from america who are fighting for one of america's wars.
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damn thats the most interessting topic here since i'm around on that forums!
->>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … S+military showoff
->>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … ;q=US+navy top gun ^^
->>> http://www.filecabi.net/video/rooffireiraq.html damn that US have firepower...
->>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … S+military showoff
->>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … ;q=US+navy top gun ^^
->>> http://www.filecabi.net/video/rooffireiraq.html damn that US have firepower...
Usque Ad Finem
Nice video. The pictures look like they are out of Black Hawk Down (or something like that). The images become powerful around 1:19, with the row of rifles and helmets.
EDIT:
Listen at 33 seconds. They say Adiemus... from Wikipedia:
Released in 1995, Adiemus: Songs of Sanctuary is the first album by Welsh composer Karl Jenkins as part of the Adiemus project. This album quickly garnered critical acclaim as the title track "Adiemus" had been previously well received during its use in a Delta Air Lines television commercial and release on the album Pure Moods.
Mcminty.
I think it is Garden of Sanctuary, or something like that. I'm playing that at school (in the concert band).Gentlesouljah.e wrote:
I wish I knew the name of the song.
EDIT:
Listen at 33 seconds. They say Adiemus... from Wikipedia:
Released in 1995, Adiemus: Songs of Sanctuary is the first album by Welsh composer Karl Jenkins as part of the Adiemus project. This album quickly garnered critical acclaim as the title track "Adiemus" had been previously well received during its use in a Delta Air Lines television commercial and release on the album Pure Moods.
Mcminty.
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Music from POTC make that video so fucking cool. The editing at the beginning is awesome. It really fits with the navy stuff that is shown.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
As far as cool music on military videos is concerned, check out this one:
http://media.putfile.com/Japan_self_def … ces_mov_01
Pirates of the Caribbean + JSDF.
Mcminty.
Well said.Mekstizzle wrote:
Please, no more of that "U.S saved Britain from Nazi Germany", it really is an insult to just about everyone, from all theatres, that fought that war. I don't even think U.S veterans think that, it's only the stupid kids of nowadays...Poseidon wrote:
Yep, as I said, it is.JohnnySupreme wrote:
Yes its a pointless war in many ways.
So the Americans saved Europe did they? Thats a very big statement to make and pisses me off! You helped and that has always been appreciated but the American attitude of, "We saved you all and won the war for you" is bullshit.
...and how is fighting a war in Iraq protecting your country? America has never properly been invaded.
The fact is, WE DID WIN THE WAR FOR YOU. France had fallen, the rest of europe was next, Russia already suffered great losses, and Britain would have been annihilated from airstrikes. I'm not saying this is why you should always support us, but to say we should be "banned" or basically wiped away from earth is not the best thing to say.
Although Al Qaeda IS in Iraq, it's not [protecting us]. Precise reason why I don't support the war. You should still support your troops though, as I do. I will support them and send money to funds for wives of soldiers, etc etc. Just because they're (mostly) american citizens from america who are fighting for one of america's wars.
I served my time over there as a part of the 1st Marine Division. That aside, I think you need to understand that we didn't get to pick and choose who went over there. We joined the ranks of the U.S. Military to serve our country no matter where the fight/conflict was. We don't get to pick sides. It doesn't matter if we think we went to war for all the wrong reasons. It didn't/doesn't matter "who, what, when, where, or why", all that matters is that we had/have a job to do, and if we are called on to do it, you go.............end of story. Some servicemen/women, felt so strongly about it that they decided to run and hide somewhere. So be it. I know why I enlisted in the U.S. Marine Corps, and when I was called, guess what?????............I went.Gay video, glorifying the stupidity of the American army
With that being said, I, along with all other veterans, would kindly ask that you show some compassion and respect for those that put their lives on the line..................no matter what the cause. You can hate our President/Government all you want, but remember, we don't decide who goes where and for what. When we are told to go, we go.
As for the gentleman who stated that all Marines are hard-headed, etc, Please re-consider your opinion of the U.S. Marines. We aren't all like that. Sure, we feel strongly about our Country (not saying other branches don't), and what it stands for, along with the long and distinguished history of the United States Marine Corps, and sure, we might speak strongly about it, but don't just assume that if a Marine speaks strongly about it, that he is a Jerk, full of him/herself, etc.
That is what makes the Marine Corps what it is.
If you read this far, thanks. Sorry for the long post.
Semper Fi
Nice post, you shouldn't be sorry for the length.gsxrpilot wrote:
If you read this far, thanks. Sorry for the long post.
Even if people do not support the war, they should support the troops.
Mcminty.