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I was planning on putting a large piece of text here.

But I think people like usmarine2005 already proved that how dumb they can be, grabbing back to ancient events and still dragging 9-11 in. You people have no idea what suffering is. You people have no sense of history except for your own.

Things like "The 80 year war" won't ring a bell on that side of the Atlantic - though, not for the most off you - .

I am still wondering how our ancestors who went to America have deliverd such uncomplicated offspring.

Last edited by Bernadictus (2006-08-22 12:53:01)

I have nothing but respect for the US forces. Hell I had a great time during the first Gulf War when I was deployed with my unit in Rotterdam getting all the hardware from Germany towards Saudi Arabia. I forgot which unit it was but we had a great time on the shooting range and we were the first regular Dutch platoon that fired the M16 on our home turf. Some of the US guys took turns with my FN FAL which was fitted with a scope atm, because I was going up for my Marksman test. Tons of fun we had. US forces allways have a lot of gear and equipment which shows how dedicated the Army is in outfitting its men with the best possible. Cheers to them.

@usmarine2005, you should take a short course in history before you comment on what happened in WW2. You obviously havent got a single clue as to what day to day life was for people in occupied countries.
As was allready mentioned the Dutch did what they could in the 5 days before the capitulated. In fact the Fokker G1 and the dutch Anti Air units downed a lot of planes which even made Hitler and Goering think twice about using paratroopers again on a large scale during the early stages of the war.

The Dutch resistance is reknowned for saving hundreds of Allied pilots during the course of the war. Most of these pilots returned to England by way of the resistance and the dutch navy which did runs for espionage and recovery of pilots all along the dutch coastline.

Better yet the dutch resistance, ordinary people in the city and farmers saved thousands upon thousands of Jews by hiding them in cellars, barns and just about anywhere a human could fit during razzias held by the Germans.
One of the most famous books ever to be written is Het Achterhuis by Anne Frank. It tells the story of a jewish girl that lived in a secret room with her family for a period during the war. Try to give it a read if you want to be taken serious when discussing these matters. It doesnt have a Hollywood end btw.

There even was an uprising on the 25 of February 1941 when the whole of Amsterdam and places outside went on strike. They wanted to send a message to the Germans they were no longer accepting the deportation of Jews from their country. The Germans were taken by surprise but reacted in force ending the strike with loss of life on our side. This strike sparked the whole of the country to defy the Germans in whatever way we could uniting our country as one and being the stepping stone for a lot of covert actions against the germans.

So about doing nothing ... the Dutch did what they could from day 1 of the occupation.
And did it for 5 years more, while being occupied and in the end being starved to death by the Germans.
We never had the luxury of not being in the frontlines of that war.

So next time before you think you have something to say it would be wise if you would just not reply. You obviously are an uneducated person who doesnt represent his country very well in these matters.

This shows the area that Germany had during that time. I'm not really sure who you're talking about here, perhaps Spain, but then again, that was also under the rule of fascists at the time, and didn't want any involvement in the war, as they had just finished their own. To the best of my knowledge, all of the countries fought the invaders, (except probably the French ) You are right in the fact that most of Europe was occupied, but I'd like to hear which countries "sat back and watched".

And actually, whilst you may claim you know a lot about the subject, the other post you made about the Netherlands sitting around on its ass, shows that despite what you may think, you really know fuck all about it.

Could you not have clarified that about 2 pages ago? It would have made this topic a lot less confused.

I'm not a leader from the time, so I can only speculate, but I would imagine that the main reason was that people were far more willing to solve things with politics, and no one really wanted to start a full scale war with a country with a far larger armys than anyone in Europe, over the abuse of some of their citizens. A full scale war would, and did, result in far more deaths than what Germany was doing to the Jews and others. Europe did what it could, but short of invading Germany pretty much all it could do was accept refugees from Germany, which the Netherlands I might add, did a great deal of.

Bernadictus wrote:

The build-up usmarine is refering to was allowed, due to the political charms of Adolf Hitler and the fear of another episode of the Trenchwar (WW1).

And just sit back and watch? You are the most retarded American on this forum.

*drum rolls* You have been promoted. Rank : Sergeant Retard Of The Core.

That saying of yours proves you have no political / general view of the situation back in those days.

And why the neverending repeat of WW2. Why do you - Americans in general - always have to grab back to 1939? Or in your case : 1934 to 1939.

Side note
Moderators I apologize for any saying that may not be in-line with forums guidelines, please feel free to correct.

I am retarded for pointing out that sometimes appeasement and sanctions will not solve everything?  If you let crazy dictators do what they want, then you end up with more trouble than if you put a stop to it in the first place.  If thinking like that makes me retarded, then I accept your award with a big smile.

usmarine2005 wrote:

JohnnySupreme wrote:

I think people here should calm down.  USMarine, you appear to be the typical blue coller American who has no idea, consideration or interest in anyone outside America. 

They go through life thinking they are great when the fact of the matter is that no-one likes them.

No consideration for anyone outside America?  I am immature and uneducated?  You can go fuck yourself asshole.  I spent a lot of time all over Africa trying to help bring food to people who were being murdered for no reason.  Sounds like consideration to me.

My battalion helped build a few schools in Afghanistan and Iraq, and we actually put in women's bathrooms, which would never have been there before.  Sounds like consideration to me.

We have brought over cancer patients and kids with horrible diseases to America for treatment, all at the expense of the US taxpayer.  Sounds like consideration to me.

In the Marines we helped small countries recover and rebuilt after floods and earthquakes and volcanoes.  Sounds like consideration to me.

I could go on, but I won't, because that is just a few things I have been involved with while in the Marine Corps.

What have you done to help the world?

If that is all true then why do you choose to act like a complete retard when talking about other countries?  It makes you sound like you must have done those things begrudgingly while under orders?  If you did it purely from the kindness of your heart then hats off to you but I doubt it.

I'd also point out that the USA spend more in a day fighting in wars like Iraq than they do in a year for good causes.  Many of the countries you "help" are in such a bad way due to serious trade embargos and exploitation imposed by the west.  In essence, all the aid work is just a big PR stunt when compared to what could and should be done to help the poor nations and people of this world.  Oh and don't forget that the USA supported Saddam in the Iraqi coup of the 1960s.

Great nation?  More like the cause and "solution" to the worlds problems.

"Wasn't Iraq under British control?"

When?  What?  No, never.  Us Brits and you American are currently working together over there.  I don't agree with us being there either.  I can admit things about my country.  Can you?

Oh and quoting yourself ("I have two moods, drunk and hungover." - usmarine2005) is just sad.

Last edited by JohnnySupreme (2006-08-22 14:30:50)

usmarine2005 wrote:

JohnnySupreme wrote:

"Wasn't Iraq under British control?"

When?  What?  No, never.  Us Brits and you American are currently working together over there.  I don't agree with us being there either.  I can admit things about my country.  Can you?

Oh and quoting yourself ("I have two moods, drunk and hungover." - usmarine2005) is just sad.

The brits were in control of Iraq during the early part of the 1920's I beleive.  And I think they went there for oil.  But lets not forget Kuwait. 

"In 1961, Kuwait gained independence from Britain and Iraq claimed sovereignty over Kuwait. Britain reacted strongly to Iraq's claim and sent troops to Kuwait to deter Iraq. Qāsim was forced to back down and in October 1963, Iraq recognised the sovereignty of Kuwait."

Sounds like something the US would do no?

If you want to go back through history then we occupied many countries at one stage or another.  Ever heard of the British Empire.  We even has a fair size chunk of what is now the USA.  However, most people have moved on over the last 150 years.  Dude, its 2006.  We could talk about American history but you don't really have any.

Bernadictus wrote:

david363 wrote:

Jim_Bred wrote:

Gay video, glorifying the stupidity of the american army

this douche needs to be banned,

Your whole damn continent needs to be banned, from the world, and at the rate your goverment is going, north-korea will soon do that banning.

Glorifying an army is pure mental insanes. I went to america about a year ago, and people at the airport actually applause for those who were dumb enough to do the oil war for mr. G. W. Bush.

I do not have problems with the US, I have a problem with your damn foreign policy, letting others do your fighting! The Dutch in afghanistan, the Brits, Italian, Japanese; all fighting your so-called war for democracy!

I don't care if you insult the war...I agree, it's a pointless war, if we wanted to take out terrorism we should have gone to Iran.

We need to be banned? Just remember that if it wasn't for us Europe would probably still be under nazi-control. While this war is not very justified in my eyes, we've had many other wars which were needed at the time to help keep the world controlled. This war however is spiraling in a downwards motion due to the insurgency. We may have the firepower but the insurgency may never end.

But don't rag on the TROOPS...you think all of them support this war? They have no CHOICE if they're already in the army. They'd probably rather be stationed at a base in Alabama right now or home with family, but they go in because 1) it helps pay for college and they want to and 2) They want to serve their country no matter what and protect the USA.

And what's wrong with glorifying or supporting an army? They're the people who protect you, and you should support your country's army. Just like I've got no problem with the NK people supporting their army, if they like the govt, i've got no problem.

Stop the piss match.

Why try proving who has a bigger dick thoughout history. Plus, you argue with Dutch people! They are nice little cheese heads(sorry).

Their history is very rich with sticking it to people and countries who try to screw them. The French, Germans, Spanish, the list goes on. And never argue about WWII. The dutch resistance was more active then anyother at the time. They made market garden possible and they hated the german more then the british for starting the war.

Plus, arguing with british is stupid unless you talk about the revolutionary war of America. They are just or more nationalistic then us Americans. That might be tossers, and have a track record with colonization that makes our war in Iraq look like a sunday drive, but they crazied nationalist. They are a island nation. The saying goes "Are your british?" the response, "Could I be more!"

But then again I pick on people from Wisconsin and call them cheese heads!

Just another FIB(Fucking Illinois Bastard)

Jemme101

American history usually doesnt involve anything about the native Americans who lived on that continent for thousands of years, but starts with the pilgrim fathers or something. So American history

Dude you are so wrong!

I have taught history. American and European and Asian history.

My focus is American and European!

Native American History is taught in American schools, combined with American History. It is not that greet, but it is taught.

In college, you get to study all the cool native american history. Like the Cherokee Nation torture methods! And the comosolgy of the Crow Nation.

We call it pre-columbian history

Your comment is an assumption and makes you a person talking shit!

Last edited by ht_fly (2006-08-22 15:01:58)

the_hitman_kills wrote:

Wheres the British military tribute video section?

We wouldn't make something like that.

Poseidon wrote:

Bernadictus wrote:

david363 wrote:

this douche needs to be banned,

Your whole damn continent needs to be banned, from the world, and at the rate your goverment is going, north-korea will soon do that banning.

Glorifying an army is pure mental insanes. I went to america about a year ago, and people at the airport actually applause for those who were dumb enough to do the oil war for mr. G. W. Bush.

I do not have problems with the US, I have a problem with your damn foreign policy, letting others do your fighting! The Dutch in afghanistan, the Brits, Italian, Japanese; all fighting your so-called war for democracy!

I don't care if you insult the war...I agree, it's a pointless war, if we wanted to take out terrorism we should have gone to Iran.

We need to be banned? Just remember that if it wasn't for us Europe would probably still be under nazi-control. While this war is not very justified in my eyes, we've had many other wars which were needed at the time to help keep the world controlled. This war however is spiraling in a downwards motion due to the insurgency. We may have the firepower but the insurgency may never end.

But don't rag on the TROOPS...you think all of them support this war? They have no CHOICE if they're already in the army. They'd probably rather be stationed at a base in Alabama right now or home with family, but they go in because 1) it helps pay for college and they want to and 2) They want to serve their country no matter what and protect the USA.

And what's wrong with glorifying or supporting an army? They're the people who protect you, and you should support your country's army. Just like I've got no problem with the NK people supporting their army, if they like the govt, i've got no problem.

Yes its a pointless war in many ways.

So the Americans saved Europe did they?  Thats a very big statement to make and pisses me off!  You helped and that has always been appreciated but the American attitude of, "We saved you all and won the war for you" is bullshit.

...and how is fighting a war in Iraq protecting your country?  America has never properly been invaded.

Last edited by JohnnySupreme (2006-08-22 15:20:38)