The whole point is that most Conservatives on these forums such as yourself use the term liberal as an insult, as if it was some kind of disease. Then when we use the term Neo-Con as the same thing, they go on crying about how we're ignorant and how we fail at lifeghoward79 wrote:
As a 'conservative' or 'neocon' or whatever label liberals would call me - I believe in those same items - does that mean i'm a liberal? I think it is HOW you accomplish those beliefs that makes you different - either liberal or conservativeUnOriginalNuttah wrote:
In list form that's:sergeriver wrote:
After taking part in some threads, in the debate and serious talk? section I was called several times as a liberal populist or leftist. Well, I'm not american, but you could call me liberal. I'm certainly not conservative.
But, why do a great number of conservative people in this forum call liberal people this way??
I came to the conclusion they were brainwashed by the neoconservative propaganda that sells that everyone that's not a conservative is a "communist" or terrorist lapdog. If being a liberal is what it's writen below, then you can call me communist if you are happier, because I'm liberal.
-liberty (i.e. freedom) is the primary polital value
-emphasizing the rights of the individual
-freedom of thought
-free market economy with private enterprise (taxed, of course)
-the power of government should be limited
-the power of religion should be limited
-rule of law
-free public education
-transparent government
-protection of the rights of all citizens
-open and fair elections
-equal rights by law
-all citizens should have the opportunity to succeed
The funny thing is many of the posters on these forums who bandy the term liberal about as though it's an insult would actually probably qualify as liberal themselves. Just a thought.
Insult all ya want, the fact is in America there is no need for poverty, the opportunities are too great for those that choose to persue them. Those that do not, get left behind. I do not feel bad about it one bit.Spearhead wrote:
The fact you are ignorant about less fortunate people in the same society as you says tons about you and your generosity. I know, why go out of your way to help people in lower brackets of wealth when you can just....... not give a shit? Neo-Conservatism is beautiful.lowing wrote:
Sorry Spearhead, I am of the working middle class and I do not consider myself a failure. I also do not NEED the govt. to take care of me because I am irresponsible or unwilling to take care of myself..Spearhead wrote:
lowings idea of small government : provide a military. Gives no shit about the working class, because to him it's their fault they fail at life and they should burn in hell because they make no money. He won't say it on public forums, but just use Search and look at what he and his neo con colleagues think of the working class of America.
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Oh, did I mention poverty is a choice, too? We all know those Africans dying over there are just lazy n*ggers who don't know shit and can't make money. It's in no way shape of form the fault of the white colonists of oppressed and raped their people and land for centuries, and anyone who disagrees with me is obviously a dumbshit communist who can't make a living for himself because he fails at life. Oh yea and the media, education, and all things which advance cultural society is part of a giant liberal conspiracy. They also hate Israel so they hate all the Joos, too!!
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It's because of people like you why the French Revolution took place. Have you ever read A Tale of Two Cities? Oh, it's a book, I guess you don't read liberal propaganda. My bad
Yes all these job oppertunities that are arising every day. There are so many, we are actually in a surplus of workers. Wait, that doesn't make sense. We must be at a shortage of jobs. Too bad the great oppertunities you're espousing simply don't exist to everyone. People like you should be shown poverty for the sake of education.lowing wrote:
Insult all ya want, the fact is in America there is no need for poverty, the opportunities are too great for those that choose to persue them. Those that do not, get left behind. I do not feel bad about it one bit.
Ever been to a ghetto? I don't even know what state you live in. Trust me, with our public schools here in Florida, it's nowhere near as prosperous and lovely as you'd like to believe.lowing wrote:
Insult all ya want, the fact is in America there is no need for poverty, the opportunities are too great for those that choose to persue them. Those that do not, get left behind. I do not feel bad about it one bit.Spearhead wrote:
The fact you are ignorant about less fortunate people in the same society as you says tons about you and your generosity. I know, why go out of your way to help people in lower brackets of wealth when you can just....... not give a shit? Neo-Conservatism is beautiful.lowing wrote:
Sorry Spearhead, I am of the working middle class and I do not consider myself a failure. I also do not NEED the govt. to take care of me because I am irresponsible or unwilling to take care of myself..
It's because of people like you why the French Revolution took place. Have you ever read A Tale of Two Cities? Oh, it's a book, I guess you don't read liberal propaganda. My bad
What about the single parent mother with three children? How far do you think she would go without welfare? What about her kids? When does poverty end? You think they just get up and say, Oh well, my mother was dumb and poor and didn't pursue opportunities. I'll just go make a million bucks.
Ah, one thing you must understand about wikipedia is that it is a publicly-maintained encyclopedia. That being said, you could compare its definition of "federal republic" with that of "constitutional republic.". While it may be convenient to label the US a "federal republic" because of its apparent subdivisions, "constitutional republic" is by far a more accurate phrase.sergeriver wrote:
Although America is a federal republic, you may disagree with this definition:unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Probably the same way leftists sell to people that everyone who isn't a liberal is an oil-guzzling (who doesn't take part in that in an industrialized nation?) neo-con Zionazi. The terms "conservativism" and "liberalism" are popularly misused. Just as the US is not a democratic country; it is actually a constitutional republic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usa
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Most all of the poverty in america due to lack of TWO responsible parents. Children with no father (regardless of color) do far worse economically, education wise, success wise than do kids with two parents (of course there are exceptions). Lesson? don't have sex with some idiot who won't be responsible for his deposit. If you truly value people, start with the FAMILY - don't short change the children for your selfish pleasure, think of others.Spearhead wrote:
Ever been to a ghetto? I don't even know what state you live in. Trust me, with our public schools here in Florida, it's nowhere near as prosperous and lovely as you'd like to believe.lowing wrote:
Insult all ya want, the fact is in America there is no need for poverty, the opportunities are too great for those that choose to persue them. Those that do not, get left behind. I do not feel bad about it one bit.Spearhead wrote:
The fact you are ignorant about less fortunate people in the same society as you says tons about you and your generosity. I know, why go out of your way to help people in lower brackets of wealth when you can just....... not give a shit? Neo-Conservatism is beautiful.
It's because of people like you why the French Revolution took place. Have you ever read A Tale of Two Cities? Oh, it's a book, I guess you don't read liberal propaganda. My bad
What about the single parent mother with three children? How far do you think she would go without welfare? What about her kids? When does poverty end? You think they just get up and say, Oh well, my mother was dumb and poor and didn't pursue opportunities. I'll just go make a million bucks.
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Classical liberalism is a good thing. The group commonly called "liberals" today, are in fact, the exact opposite of true liberals. Modern "liberals" are atheist socialists Nazis ( sorry to spoil it for you guys, but the Nazis were left wing) who want to take your paycheck, murder babies, release convicted murderers back onto the streets, and worship at the alter of big government. They won't be happy till everyone is controlled by the govt from cradle to grave. Socialism ( and it's offspring, Communism ) murdered over 100 million people in the last century. Socialists are the greatest evil the world has ever faced.
not american myself, but i´ve been visiting friends in tacoma, WA and i gotta say i met people having three jobs, basically working all day plus the weekends and still they were freaking poor. there are always those lazy ass people, but i was honestly shocked how poor some of these people were, not because they did not work but because the system does not give any opportunities. i did´t think this could be happening in a country that likes to think about itself as of a superpower.lowing wrote:
Insult all ya want, the fact is in America there is no need for poverty, the opportunities are too great for those that choose to persue them. Those that do not, get left behind. I do not feel bad about it one bit.
So the entire family should be punished by being in poverty for their entire lives, because of the stupid parents? Why don't you try to make life better for them? Does human pursuit of happiness make you itch or something? Or do you just not give a shit?ghoward79 wrote:
Most all of the poverty in america due to lack of TWO responsible parents. Children with no father (regardless of color) do far worse economically, education wise, success wise than do kids with two parents (of course there are exceptions). Lesson? don't have sex with some idiot who won't be responsible for his deposit. If you truly value people, start with the FAMILY - don't short change the children for your selfish pleasure, think of others.Spearhead wrote:
Ever been to a ghetto? I don't even know what state you live in. Trust me, with our public schools here in Florida, it's nowhere near as prosperous and lovely as you'd like to believe.lowing wrote:
Insult all ya want, the fact is in America there is no need for poverty, the opportunities are too great for those that choose to persue them. Those that do not, get left behind. I do not feel bad about it one bit.
What about the single parent mother with three children? How far do you think she would go without welfare? What about her kids? When does poverty end? You think they just get up and say, Oh well, my mother was dumb and poor and didn't pursue opportunities. I'll just go make a million bucks.
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thats not true. altough they did things that might be considered left or socialist, those were to get support from the working class (the unemployed mainly, by giving them jobs) or to foucs all available power and workforce to war projects which would have been impossible otherwise. the whole "solcialist" part was mainly a front for the start of the nazi movement when some support from the weimarer republic and foreign states (like the US; who were really impressed with nazi germany) was needed.gun.kingRAT wrote:
but the Nazis were left wing
I'm liberal and I ain't socialist.Not wrote:
The really, REALLY left-wing liberals are essentially Socialists. If you know what Socialism is, you understand that it's BIG government. The amount of our lives that some of these people think should be supported by the government, and everyone else's hard work, forms a massive government. Call me unsympathetic, I can live with that. I've had plenty of bad times, ups and downs in my own life. But I refuse to accept my country in the state it's in, where illegals can suck my paycheck dry because of Welfare that they shouldn't even be able to qualify for. Forgive my cruel-heartedness if I want to cut the lifeline on every person who abuses that system and works just enough hours to still qualify for free money, or simply doesn't report that they have a job to the Welfare office.
In Europe some of the most advanced economies cut you up to 45% of your revenues. They use that money to cover huge domestic issues as education, health, ecology, etc. I don't think that's a bad idea. Power and size are 2 different things. While size you talk about is more related to the burocracy, the power is related to the influence the government has in the life of people who lives inside and outside one country borders. I think a government that spends a major part of his income in external issues and less in domestic ones, is not at all weaker than a government that cares more about health, education, etc...Perhaps Clinton administration used more money to cover these issues, but I'm sure that Bush administration's got more power.Not wrote:
Explain how the "Power of Government" in the sense you're interpreting it is any different than the "Size of Government" please. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'd simply like to understand where you draw that distinction. To me they fall hand in hand. I simply don't see how a government that regulates practically every facet of my daily life, or taxes me at an enormous rate to support everyone else but myself, isn't big. +1 to the person who can explain that.
Then again, sometimes people can go to college to learn a job that's popular in one moment, then not in high demand in the other...and end up flipping burgers anyway. Never know what life will throw at you.lowing wrote:
Insult all ya want, the fact is in America there is no need for poverty, the opportunities are too great for those that choose to persue them. Those that do not, get left behind. I do not feel bad about it one bit.
Overtaxation and other such exploitation is one of the reasons why some people are so hard up. Sure, the "save your money and invest" argument could be used, but there are expenses to handle. Poorness can be a legitimate rut, no matter how hard someone works.[PED] soul76 wrote:
not american myself, but i´ve been visiting friends in tacoma, WA and i gotta say i met people having three jobs, basically working all day plus the weekends and still they were freaking poor. there are always those lazy ass people, but i was honestly shocked how poor some of these people were, not because they did not work but because the system does not give any opportunities. i did´t think this could be happening in a country that likes to think about itself as of a superpower.
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You may notice that the USA section in wikipedia is forbidden to edit. Anyway, the point is that it is liberal in many aspects, not now of course.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Ah, one thing you must understand about wikipedia is that it is a publicly-maintained encyclopedia. That being said, you could compare its definition of "federal republic" with that of "constitutional republic.". While it may be convenient to label the US a "federal republic" because of its apparent subdivisions, "constitutional republic" is by far a more accurate phrase.sergeriver wrote:
Although America is a federal republic, you may disagree with this definition:unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Probably the same way leftists sell to people that everyone who isn't a liberal is an oil-guzzling (who doesn't take part in that in an industrialized nation?) neo-con Zionazi. The terms "conservativism" and "liberalism" are popularly misused. Just as the US is not a democratic country; it is actually a constitutional republic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usa
How much crap you wrote. The true liberalism has nothing to do whith all the bullshit you say. Learn something dude. liberalism and communism are total different things. It's like I judge every conservative for the KKK.gun.KingRat wrote:
Classical liberalism is a good thing. The group commonly called "liberals" today, are in fact, the exact opposite of true liberals. Modern "liberals" are atheist socialists Nazis ( sorry to spoil it for you guys, but the Nazis were left wing) who want to take your paycheck, murder babies, release convicted murderers back onto the streets, and worship at the alter of big government. They won't be happy till everyone is controlled by the govt from cradle to grave. Socialism ( and it's offspring, Communism ) murdered over 100 million people in the last century. Socialists are the greatest evil the world has ever faced.
You may also notice that the reason for restriction is listed at the top of the article. The individual definitions of constitutional and federal republics and how they would be associated with the US are more important than the US's last-edited wikipedia state.sergeriver wrote:
You may notice that the USA section in wikipedia is forbidden to edit. Anyway, the point is that it is liberal in many aspects, not now of course.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Ah, one thing you must understand about wikipedia is that it is a publicly-maintained encyclopedia. That being said, you could compare its definition of "federal republic" with that of "constitutional republic.". While it may be convenient to label the US a "federal republic" because of its apparent subdivisions, "constitutional republic" is by far a more accurate phrase.sergeriver wrote:
Although America is a federal republic, you may disagree with this definition:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usa
I've consulted many sources and libraries during my high school "career," and my rather blunt papers have gotten me into some trouble with the more liberal of civics teachers, who would have preferred me to conform to their modern left-wing ideologies like all the other good wooden soldiers. Speaking of government, this was one of my many favorites: "The American Democratic System" by J. Keith Melville. Some of it's outdated, but it has good information.
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When you get out of school and earn your credentials in whatever challenging field you persue, you will find yourself employed..BELEIVE THAT!!jonsimon wrote:
Yes all these job oppertunities that are arising every day. There are so many, we are actually in a surplus of workers. Wait, that doesn't make sense. We must be at a shortage of jobs. Too bad the great oppertunities you're espousing simply don't exist to everyone. People like you should be shown poverty for the sake of education.lowing wrote:
Insult all ya want, the fact is in America there is no need for poverty, the opportunities are too great for those that choose to persue them. Those that do not, get left behind. I do not feel bad about it one bit.
With all of the idiots running with their over-sized pants hanging half way around their fuckin' asses bitching that "the man" is fucking them over it is very hard to find good responsible employees.
You have 2 choices in life.
1. Sit around and smoke and drink and do drugs and get on wellfare because you are too lazy to even get an education let alone a job, and bitch about "the man".
2.Finish school, go to college or a trade school ( and before you say it, there is govt. programs that assist in such ventures). Make yourself marketable, by working hard, studying hard, and build up a resume' in your profession.
Now given those 2 scenerios, I will take, as an employer, the black man or women =, the hispanic, the indian, or even if they are fuckin' purple, that chose route 2 over the white trailer trash mother fucker that took the first route. GIVE hard work and education a try, in America it will pay off.
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Yes as a matter of fact I have been to the projects, about 15 years ago I broke down on I-75 in Detroit, I got off the highway and made it to a liquor store to call for help. Then I had t ostay outside of my truck wit ha breaker bar to protect all of my shit as I was being closed in on by the passers by. Nothing happened.Spearhead wrote:
Ever been to a ghetto? I don't even know what state you live in. Trust me, with our public schools here in Florida, it's nowhere near as prosperous and lovely as you'd like to believe.lowing wrote:
Insult all ya want, the fact is in America there is no need for poverty, the opportunities are too great for those that choose to persue them. Those that do not, get left behind. I do not feel bad about it one bit.Spearhead wrote:
The fact you are ignorant about less fortunate people in the same society as you says tons about you and your generosity. I know, why go out of your way to help people in lower brackets of wealth when you can just....... not give a shit? Neo-Conservatism is beautiful.
It's because of people like you why the French Revolution took place. Have you ever read A Tale of Two Cities? Oh, it's a book, I guess you don't read liberal propaganda. My bad
What about the single parent mother with three children? How far do you think she would go without welfare? What about her kids? When does poverty end? You think they just get up and say, Oh well, my mother was dumb and poor and didn't pursue opportunities. I'll just go make a million bucks.
As far as the single mom wit h3 kids goes, how far do you think she will go WITH WELLFARE and no persuit of an education? Her kids? They are doomed if they do not pull themselves out of that situation when they are old enough by getting in school and staying off of drugs and away from the wrong crowns.PERSONAL RESPONISIBILITY. Yes there are tons of examples of people that DID JUST THAT, got out of poverty and could now buy and sell people like you and me.
Yeah but that goes to personal responsibility and if you are a liberal it is easier to blame " the man"..ghoward79 wrote:
Most all of the poverty in america due to lack of TWO responsible parents. Children with no father (regardless of color) do far worse economically, education wise, success wise than do kids with two parents (of course there are exceptions). Lesson? don't have sex with some idiot who won't be responsible for his deposit. If you truly value people, start with the FAMILY - don't short change the children for your selfish pleasure, think of others.Spearhead wrote:
Ever been to a ghetto? I don't even know what state you live in. Trust me, with our public schools here in Florida, it's nowhere near as prosperous and lovely as you'd like to believe.lowing wrote:
Insult all ya want, the fact is in America there is no need for poverty, the opportunities are too great for those that choose to persue them. Those that do not, get left behind. I do not feel bad about it one bit.
What about the single parent mother with three children? How far do you think she would go without welfare? What about her kids? When does poverty end? You think they just get up and say, Oh well, my mother was dumb and poor and didn't pursue opportunities. I'll just go make a million bucks.
Working 3 jobs in a fast food joint maybe, but if you are educated in trade or academics in a field you are desirable and highly employable wit ha great salery that makes it unnessary for 3 jobs. That is of course you live beyond your means, then it falls back on personal responsibility or personal FINANCIAL responsibility.[PED] soul76 wrote:
not american myself, but i´ve been visiting friends in tacoma, WA and i gotta say i met people having three jobs, basically working all day plus the weekends and still they were freaking poor. there are always those lazy ass people, but i was honestly shocked how poor some of these people were, not because they did not work but because the system does not give any opportunities. i did´t think this could be happening in a country that likes to think about itself as of a superpower.lowing wrote:
Insult all ya want, the fact is in America there is no need for poverty, the opportunities are too great for those that choose to pursue them. Those that do not, get left behind. I do not feel bad about it one bit.
Ain't it a bitch, to be responsible for yourself and your decisions and actions??
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the tools are in place Spearhead, for them to take charge of themselves. Said it a 1000 times by now.Spearhead wrote:
So the entire family should be punished by being in poverty for their entire lives, because of the stupid parents? Why don't you try to make life better for them? Does human pursuit of happiness make you itch or something? Or do you just not give a shit?ghoward79 wrote:
Most all of the poverty in america due to lack of TWO responsible parents. Children with no father (regardless of color) do far worse economically, education wise, success wise than do kids with two parents (of course there are exceptions). Lesson? don't have sex with some idiot who won't be responsible for his deposit. If you truly value people, start with the FAMILY - don't short change the children for your selfish pleasure, think of others.Spearhead wrote:
Ever been to a ghetto? I don't even know what state you live in. Trust me, with our public schools here in Florida, it's nowhere near as prosperous and lovely as you'd like to believe.
What about the single parent mother with three children? How far do you think she would go without welfare? What about her kids? When does poverty end? You think they just get up and say, Oh well, my mother was dumb and poor and didn't pursue opportunities. I'll just go make a million bucks.
Then it must be time to take advantage of unemployment benifits and get retrained into another field huh??unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Then again, sometimes people can go to college to learn a job that's popular in one moment, then not in high demand in the other...and end up flipping burgers anyway. Never know what life will throw at you.lowing wrote:
Insult all ya want, the fact is in America there is no need for poverty, the opportunities are too great for those that choose to persue them. Those that do not, get left behind. I do not feel bad about it one bit.
You missed third option: Finish school, go to college and smoke all kind of stuff and drink, evade your responsibility with the army, get lame qualifications, and then become president.lowing wrote:
When you get out of school and earn your credentials in whatever challenging field you persue, you will find yourself employed..BELEIVE THAT!!jonsimon wrote:
Yes all these job oppertunities that are arising every day. There are so many, we are actually in a surplus of workers. Wait, that doesn't make sense. We must be at a shortage of jobs. Too bad the great oppertunities you're espousing simply don't exist to everyone. People like you should be shown poverty for the sake of education.lowing wrote:
Insult all ya want, the fact is in America there is no need for poverty, the opportunities are too great for those that choose to persue them. Those that do not, get left behind. I do not feel bad about it one bit.
With all of the idiots running with their over-sized pants hanging half way around their fuckin' asses bitching that "the man" is fucking them over it is very hard to find good responsible employees.
You have 2 choices in life.
1. Sit around and smoke and drink and do drugs and get on wellfare because you are too lazy to even get an education let alone a job, and bitch about "the man".
2.Finish school, go to college or a trade school ( and before you say it, there is govt. programs that assist in such ventures). Make yourself marketable, by working hard, studying hard, and build up a resume' in your profession.
Now given those 2 scenerios, I will take, as an employer, the black man or women =, the hispanic, the indian, or even if they are fuckin' purple, that chose route 2 over the white trailer trash mother fucker that took the first route. GIVE hard work and education a try, in America it will pay off.
Clever post, but painfully obvious is your avoidance of the substance of my post.sergeriver wrote:
You missed third option: Finish school, go to college and smoke all kind of stuff and drink, evade your responsibility with the army, get lame qualifications, and then become president.lowing wrote:
When you get out of school and earn your credentials in whatever challenging field you pursue, you will find yourself employed..BELIEVE THAT!!jonsimon wrote:
Yes all these job oppertunities that are arising every day. There are so many, we are actually in a surplus of workers. Wait, that doesn't make sense. We must be at a shortage of jobs. Too bad the great oppertunities you're espousing simply don't exist to everyone. People like you should be shown poverty for the sake of education.
With all of the idiots running with their over-sized pants hanging half way around their fuckin' asses bitching that "the man" is fucking them over it is very hard to find good responsible employees.
You have 2 choices in life.
1. Sit around and smoke and drink and do drugs and get on welfare because you are too lazy to even get an education let alone a job, and bitch about "the man".
2.Finish school, go to college or a trade school ( and before you say it, there is govt. programs that assist in such ventures). Make yourself marketable, by working hard, studying hard, and build up a resume' in your profession.
Now given those 2 scenarios, I will take, as an employer, the black man or women =, the Hispanic, the Indian, or even if they are fuckin' purple, that chose route 2 over the white trailer trash mother fucker that took the first route. GIVE hard work and education a try, in America it will pay off.
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I ain't avoiding that, I simply gave an opinion mainly based in observation.lowing wrote:
Clever post, but painfully obvious is your avoidance of the substance of my post.sergeriver wrote:
You missed third option: Finish school, go to college and smoke all kind of stuff and drink, evade your responsibility with the army, get lame qualifications, and then become president.lowing wrote:
When you get out of school and earn your credentials in whatever challenging field you pursue, you will find yourself employed..BELIEVE THAT!!
With all of the idiots running with their over-sized pants hanging half way around their fuckin' asses bitching that "the man" is fucking them over it is very hard to find good responsible employees.
You have 2 choices in life.
1. Sit around and smoke and drink and do drugs and get on welfare because you are too lazy to even get an education let alone a job, and bitch about "the man".
2.Finish school, go to college or a trade school ( and before you say it, there is govt. programs that assist in such ventures). Make yourself marketable, by working hard, studying hard, and build up a resume' in your profession.
Now given those 2 scenarios, I will take, as an employer, the black man or women =, the Hispanic, the Indian, or even if they are fuckin' purple, that chose route 2 over the white trailer trash mother fucker that took the first route. GIVE hard work and education a try, in America it will pay off.
OMFG!!! TOO MANY WORDS, TOO MUCH THINKING INVOLVED, AND, AND, AND...
{as he takes the easy way out} SCREW ALL Y'ALL LIBERAL BASTARDS - ARHHHH!!!!
btw - the wiki definition was written by a liberal - oh, how they make it sound so good - bs
{as he takes the easy way out} SCREW ALL Y'ALL LIBERAL BASTARDS - ARHHHH!!!!
btw - the wiki definition was written by a liberal - oh, how they make it sound so good - bs