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I think it is funny how all the internet conspiracy theorist have 911 allllll figured out 10 minutes after it happened, but when they apparently have all this information about everything PRE-911 not one of them throws a flag prior to the event. Hmmmmmmmmm.

There are also 5,000,000,00,000 websites out there that PROVE and DIS-PROVE the Lock Ness Monster, the Apollo moon landings, UFO's and fuckin' big foot.

lowing wrote:

I think it is funny how all the internet conspiracy theorist have 911 allllll figured out 10 minutes after it happened, but when they apparently have all this information about everything PRE-911 not one of them throws a flag prior to the event. Hmmmmmmmmm.

There are also 5,000,000,00,000 websites out there that PROVE and DIS-PROVE the Lock Ness Monster, the Apollo moon landings, UFO's and fuckin' big foot.

Typical, I try to have a civil discussion/debate and you go off talking about the Lock Ness Monster and Bigfoot. Don't confuse me or the points I am trying to get across with other peoples theories about people things or events thats have nothing to do with the current topic of discussion or 9/11 (UFOs, and all that other tin foil hat crap).

You really want to know how it was known this was going down. Here is a recording from BEFORE 9/11: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGtOFudmHG8 If you don't know anything about Alex Jones, please do your homework. Oh, and if you want to actually question me on his work or debate me on it, be my guest.

Get real man, don't avoid the questions, open your eyes for your own sake, and the sake of your country (if you are American).

lowing wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/22/osama.poll/index.html  the tragedy of all of this, is you and people like you want to look inward for all your conspiracies,with your backs turned toward the real enemy. meanwhile people like Bin Laden plan another attack. You people create the exact environment for him to operate and I am sure he appreciates it.

Al quaeda was created by the CIA, it only exists as a list of phone numbers to call when you want the job done.

So, is the real enemy Bin Laden, or the guys who use him as a scapegoat?

jonsimon wrote:

lowing wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/22/osama.poll/index.html  the tragedy of all of this, is you and people like you want to look inward for all your conspiracies,with your backs turned toward the real enemy. meanwhile people like Bin Laden plan another attack. You people create the exact environment for him to operate and I am sure he appreciates it.

Al quaeda was created by the CIA, it only exists as a list of phone numbers to call when you want the job done.

So, is the real enemy Bin Laden, or the guys who use him as a scapegoat?

And cue X-files music.

jonsimon wrote:

lowing wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/22/osama.poll/index.html  the tragedy of all of this, is you and people like you want to look inward for all your conspiracies,with your backs turned toward the real enemy. meanwhile people like Bin Laden plan another attack. You people create the exact environment for him to operate and I am sure he appreciates it.

Al quaeda was created by the CIA, it only exists as a list of phone numbers to call when you want the job done.

So, is the real enemy Bin Laden, or the guys who use him as a scapegoat?

Nooooooo, It was supported by the CIA who wanted to help Afghanistan beat back the invasion of the USSR.

jonsimon wrote:

lowing wrote:

I think it is funny how all the internet conspiracy theorist have 911 allllll figured out 10 minutes after it happened, but when they apparently have all this information about everything PRE-911 not one of them throws a flag prior to the event. Hmmmmmmmmm.

There are also 5,000,000,00,000 websites out there that PROVE and DIS-PROVE the Lock Ness Monster, the Apollo moon landings, UFO's and fuckin' big foot.

And yet I couldn't find a single one proving your intelligence. Google just doesn't cut it these days.

and this is wher eyou can stop talking about me "dodging arguments" in other threads dipshit.

lowing wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

lowing wrote:

I think it is funny how all the internet conspiracy theorist have 911 allllll figured out 10 minutes after it happened, but when they apparently have all this information about everything PRE-911 not one of them throws a flag prior to the event. Hmmmmmmmmm.

There are also 5,000,000,00,000 websites out there that PROVE and DIS-PROVE the Lock Ness Monster, the Apollo moon landings, UFO's and fuckin' big foot.

And yet I couldn't find a single one proving your intelligence. Google just doesn't cut it these days.

and this is wher eyou can stop talking about me "dodging arguments" in other threads dipshit.

You're right, I decided not to take up a legitimate argument against you. Instead, I chose to belittle your point.

lowing wrote:

Nooooooo, I didn't go off talking about the lock ness monster, I went off to prove a point that you can internet search your ass into believing anything.

But you just couldn't help bringing up the lock. You only proved that you can research events that happened long ago and that are not really heard of nor did no one really know what happened. Now 9/11 is a totally different story. We are talking about something that happened 5 years ago, not something in the 70's or something...

lowing wrote:

I am not avoiding anything, I watched your clip and it is nothing more than more opinion by some one making a living creating turmoil, kinda like the NAACP or Jesse Jackson, or any white supremest group you can think of.

Yeah and Alex Jones just pulls things out of his ass and just says it at random. What are you stoned? I said do some research on him, and you will realize how much of a fool you are making out of yourself. Notice how you won't even try to debate me on his facts or information. Because you can't! GG.

lowing wrote:

You give me a talk show host as your proof?? Well hell I will give you Sean Hannity and Rush Limbough then. There now, by your standards I guess I am right huh? Since I gave 2 talk show hosts to your 1.

What is this a scoring game now, "Host Vs. Host"? How about you provide some evidence, you know like what I did, all you did was give names. Where is your information?

lowing wrote:

Where was Alex Jones warning us of 911 before it happened or warning us of operation north woods, before 911? You need a lot more than a talk show host building a career on conspiracies to convince me.

Alex Jones really wasn't around before Operation Northwoods, actually northwoods was way before 9/11. Here are some facts for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
Also, I don't have to convince you of nothing. All I have to do is get you to think and look around, something I don't think you like doing.

lowing wrote:

I will also take solice in the fact that you have a movie producer ( michael moore) and a comedian ( al franken ) and politicians like cyntheia Mckinney toting your banner. Pretty big line up ya got there.

Stop right there. Don't ever lump me in with that ass hole Michael Moore. Personally that fat tub of lard can kiss my ass. Also, there is where you get people like me wrong. You get an idea of one person that goes around spouting crazy shit and then they call themselves a "left" or "right". Immediately you group anyone in that party "crazy" or thinking they all think the same. Everyone is different, fuck your political parties.

lowing wrote:

The real paranoia seems to be coming from your camp, in the belief that everyone in our govt. is out to destroy America...AND YOU WANNA TELL ME TO GET REAL!!??

Again, you are putting words in my mouth. I don't think "everyone in our govt. is out to destroy America" as you so saintly put it. Let me quote myself from several posts up:

duk0r wrote:

A operation of this scale (9/11) can take place very easily with only a few people knowing whats really going on.

I never said everyone, there you go thinking what you want to see again...

lowing wrote:

You guys talk about conservatives like we are paranoid about all the terrorism in the world and that it isn't that bad. That all of this is drummed up so us war mongers can go to war.

Did I ever say that? If I came off as that I am sorry. Yes, the world is bad, there are bad people out there. Oh yeah, why did we go to war with Iraq again?

lowing wrote:

The real paranoia seems to be coming from your camp, in the belief that everyone in our govt. is out to destroy America...AND YOU WANNA TELL ME TO GET REAL!!??

There you go with lumping people and their thoughts together again... *sigh*

lowing wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/22/osama.poll/index.html the tragedy of all of this, is you and people like you want to look inward for all your conspiracies,with your backs turned toward the real enemy. meanwhile people like Bin Laden plan another attack. You people create the exact environment for him to operate and I am sure he appreciates it.

Wow, Just wow. You link me to a fucking poll. A POLL! That shows now evidence what so ever that there is really a attack in the works and you call me a "conspiracy theorist" Jesus H. fucking Christ man.

What if I am all wrong about this? Fine, come back in spit it back in my face. Actually, I want this to be all wrong, I hope I am not right about this. But what if I am? What if one day our freedoms are chopped up and served up to us built on terrorist fears. The blood is then on your hands.

"The public has a duty to watch its Government closely and keep it on the right track." --Lieutenant Gen. Kenneth A. Minihan, USAF, Director, NSA, _NSA Newsletter_, June 1997

duk0r wrote:

lowing wrote:

Nooooooo, I didn't go off talking about the lock ness monster, I went off to prove a point that you can internet search your ass into believing anything.

But you just couldn't help bringing up the lock. You only proved that you can research events that happened long ago and that are not really heard of nor did no one really know what happened. Now 9/11 is a totally different story. We are talking about something that happened 5 years ago, not something in the 70's or something...

lowing wrote:

I am not avoiding anything, I watched your clip and it is nothing more than more opinion by some one making a living creating turmoil, kinda like the NAACP or Jesse Jackson, or any white supremest group you can think of.

Yeah and Alex Jones just pulls things out of his ass and just says it at random. What are you stoned? I said do some research on him, and you will realize how much of a fool you are making out of yourself. Notice how you won't even try to debate me on his facts or information. Because you can't! GG.

lowing wrote:

You give me a talk show host as your proof?? Well hell I will give you Sean Hannity and Rush Limbough then. There now, by your standards I guess I am right huh? Since I gave 2 talk show hosts to your 1.

What is this a scoring game now, "Host Vs. Host"? How about you provide some evidence, you know like what I did, all you did was give names. Where is your information?

lowing wrote:

Where was Alex Jones warning us of 911 before it happened or warning us of operation north woods, before 911? You need a lot more than a talk show host building a career on conspiracies to convince me.

Alex Jones really wasn't around before Operation Northwoods, actually northwoods was way before 9/11. Here are some facts for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
Also, I don't have to convince you of nothing. All I have to do is get you to think and look around, something I don't think you like doing.

lowing wrote:

I will also take solice in the fact that you have a movie producer ( michael moore) and a comedian ( al franken ) and politicians like cyntheia Mckinney toting your banner. Pretty big line up ya got there.

Stop right there. Don't ever lump me in with that ass hole Michael Moore. Personally that fat tub of lard can kiss my ass. Also, there is where you get people like me wrong. You get an idea of one person that goes around spouting crazy shit and then they call themselves a "left" or "right". Immediately you group anyone in that party "crazy" or thinking they all think the same. Everyone is different, fuck your political parties.

lowing wrote:

The real paranoia seems to be coming from your camp, in the belief that everyone in our govt. is out to destroy America...AND YOU WANNA TELL ME TO GET REAL!!??

Again, you are putting words in my mouth. I don't think "everyone in our govt. is out to destroy America" as you so saintly put it. Let me quote myself from several posts up:

duk0r wrote:

A operation of this scale (9/11) can take place very easily with only a few people knowing whats really going on.

I never said everyone, there you go thinking what you want to see again...

lowing wrote:

You guys talk about conservatives like we are paranoid about all the terrorism in the world and that it isn't that bad. That all of this is drummed up so us war mongers can go to war.

Did I ever say that? If I came off as that I am sorry. Yes, the world is bad, there are bad people out there. Oh yeah, why did we go to war with Iraq again?

lowing wrote:

The real paranoia seems to be coming from your camp, in the belief that everyone in our govt. is out to destroy America...AND YOU WANNA TELL ME TO GET REAL!!??

There you go with lumping people and their thoughts together again... *sigh*

lowing wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/22/osama.poll/index.html the tragedy of all of this, is you and people like you want to look inward for all your conspiracies,with your backs turned toward the real enemy. meanwhile people like Bin Laden plan another attack. You people create the exact environment for him to operate and I am sure he appreciates it.

Wow, Just wow. You link me to a fucking poll. A POLL! That shows now evidence what so ever that there is really a attack in the works and you call me a "conspiracy theorist" Jesus H. fucking Christ man.

What if I am all wrong about this? Fine, come back in spit it back in my face. Actually, I want this to be all wrong, I hope I am not right about this. But what if I am? What if one day our freedoms are chopped up and served up to us built on terrorist fears. The blood is then on your hands.

"The public has a duty to watch its Government closely and keep it on the right track." --Lieutenant Gen. Kenneth A. Minihan, USAF, Director, NSA, _NSA Newsletter_, June 1997

Ya know, if you disect my post even further, you COULD have me up against the wall trying to find the definiition of "IS"

Stop with the disection and taking everything I say out of context. Bottom line. You wanna believe Alex Jones, because well, you are a young hippie and it is cool. Do you really need me to post clips of Hannity and Limbaugh? You mean you REALLY can't google them or watch and listen to THEM every fuckin' day to know what they are about. I REALLY have to show you because you can't find them??

You only gave me a fuckin' talk show host as your iron clad "proof" that you are right. I countered with Hannity and Limbaugh, ( your standard for proving shit) as my "proof" that I am right. You have no more than anyone else. Sorry.

Clinton spied on millions of Americans DURING PEACETIME under a program called Echelon. I am not a conservative or a liberal, I hate Bush more than I hated Clinton, but not much more. This is simply to prove that the Democrats are at best Republicans Lite. The government is corrupt on both sides of the aisle and to say "oh yeah well Clinton did it too" does not excuse Bush it only goes to show how important it is that we change the system entirely, not just vote for the other party. This is how we always get into trouble, we get mad at one side and vote in the other, only to get mad at the other and vote in the other party. It never stops, and they love it that way.

WAKE UP business controls both sides, and there is an underground government behind the scenes. This is not a conspiracy theory this is conspiracy fact. There is a conspiracy by business to control Washington. It is called lobbying. And it is all openly admitted but never talked about. Stop arguing about whether Kerry or Bush would have done a better job, or whether the Dems should be voted into Congress in November, and start talking about a third party, or proportional representation, or letter writing campaigns, or protests, or actually joining a party and holding the politicians accountable, anything to put the power back in the hands of the people. Because obviously these overreaches into our privacy are only going to get more audacious, no matter who is in power.

lowing wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

LOL Hannity is one of the two biggest crackpots in the nation.

P.S. The second is Colmes.

Ok then, so is Alex Jones....

Eh. Don't even know who that is. I don't watch must news, I generally read it. I do know that FOX is the farthest news from the middle in America. When you start inviting guests just so you anchors can interrupt them and call them crackpots to their face, you're not even news anymore.

Fox is entertainment under the guise of journalisitic intentions.

lowing wrote:

Ya know, if you disect my post even further, you COULD have me up against the wall trying to find the definiition of "IS"

I think I already have you up against the wall, considering you are still avoiding the real subject at hand.

lowing wrote:

Stop with the disection and taking everything I say out of context.

You upset because I can use [ quote ] tags properly? Because some one is calling out your bullshit? Or maybe its because you don't quite understand what I am saying. Hence the repeating, quoting and clarification.

lowing wrote:

Bottom line. You wanna believe Alex Jones, because well, you are a young hippie and it is cool.

Ha! Typical view. Anyone that has any type of dissent is a "Young hippie". Again with the generalizations, get a grip.

lowing wrote:

Do you really need me to post clips of Hannity and Limbaugh? You mean you REALLY can't google them or watch and listen to THEM every fuckin' day to know what they are about. I REALLY have to show you because you can't find them??

The videos showing what? Okay I type "Limbaugh + 9/11" in google. Found mostly junk really, lets see here... Oh Oh this is one of my favorites

Limbaugh wrote:

"I think it would be fabulous," Limbaugh said during his national broadcast yesterday. "I think a 9-11 act on Saddam ... you talk about getting this country up!"

Did he just say that? Wow, just wow. Lets pull a 9/11 act on Saddam (Which caused much greef in the U.S.) so that we can get back at them for...for... umm.... having a dictator? IRAQ, okay get this...ready?....Had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Limbaugh is a talk show host that is all talk, no action. Mostly just garbage really. Alex Jones has a talk show and goes out and does research. Makes video documentaries, hands them out, tells people to make copies post it up on the internet. He has been known to go in streets with a megaphone exercising his 1st amendment right to protest.

Look, if you want to compare guns (Alex Jones vs. Limbaugh & Hannity) as far as getting things done and doing research. Sorry, reading a teleprompter and repeating mainstream media doesn't really compare.

Moving on...

lowing wrote:

You only gave me a fuckin' talk show host as your iron clad "proof" that you are right. I countered with Hannity and Limbaugh, ( your standard for proving shit) as my "proof" that I am right. You have no more than anyone else. Sorry.

As my iron clad "proof" to what exactly? You might want to read on up again as you tend to only see what you want to see. *sigh* i'll quote myself again, please read carefully:

duk0r wrote:

You really want to know how it was known this was going down (9/11). Here is a recording from BEFORE 9/11: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGtOFudmHG8 If you don't know anything about Alex Jones, please do your homework. Oh, and if you want to actually question me on his work or debate me on it, be my guest.

That was in response to this question you had:

lowing wrote:

I think it is funny how all the internet conspiracy theorist have 911 allllll figured out 10 minutes after it happened, but when they apparently have all this information about everything PRE-911 not one of them throws a flag prior to the event. Hmmmmmmmmm.

And I am throwing everything out of context...

duk0r wrote:

lowing wrote:

Ya know, if you disect my post even further, you COULD have me up against the wall trying to find the definiition of "IS"

I think I already have you up against the wall, considering you are still avoiding the real subject at hand.

lowing wrote:

Stop with the disection and taking everything I say out of context.

You upset because I can use [ quote ] tags properly? Because some one is calling out your bullshit? Or maybe its because you don't quite understand what I am saying. Hence the repeating, quoting and clarification.

lowing wrote:

Bottom line. You wanna believe Alex Jones, because well, you are a young hippie and it is cool.

Ha! Typical view. Anyone that has any type of dissent is a "Young hippie". Again with the generalizations, get a grip.

lowing wrote:

Do you really need me to post clips of Hannity and Limbaugh? You mean you REALLY can't google them or watch and listen to THEM every fuckin' day to know what they are about. I REALLY have to show you because you can't find them??

The videos showing what? Okay I type "Limbaugh + 9/11" in google. Found mostly junk really, lets see here... Oh Oh this is one of my favorites

Limbaugh wrote:

"I think it would be fabulous," Limbaugh said during his national broadcast yesterday. "I think a 9-11 act on Saddam ... you talk about getting this country up!"

Did he just say that? Wow, just wow. Lets pull a 9/11 act on Saddam (Which caused much greef in the U.S.) so that we can get back at them for...for... umm.... having a dictator? IRAQ, okay get this...ready?....Had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Limbaugh is a talk show host that is all talk, no action. Mostly just garbage really. Alex Jones has a talk show and goes out and does research. Makes video documentaries, hands them out, tells people to make copies post it up on the internet. He has been known to go in streets with a megaphone exercising his 1st amendment right to protest.

Look, if you want to compare guns (Alex Jones vs. Limbaugh & Hannity) as far as getting things done and doing research. Sorry, reading a teleprompter and repeating mainstream media doesn't really compare.

Moving on...

lowing wrote:

You only gave me a fuckin' talk show host as your iron clad "proof" that you are right. I countered with Hannity and Limbaugh, ( your standard for proving shit) as my "proof" that I am right. You have no more than anyone else. Sorry.

As my iron clad "proof" to what exactly? You might want to read on up again as you tend to only see what you want to see. *sigh* i'll quote myself again, please read carefully:

duk0r wrote:

You really want to know how it was known this was going down (9/11). Here is a recording from BEFORE 9/11: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGtOFudmHG8 If you don't know anything about Alex Jones, please do your homework. Oh, and if you want to actually question me on his work or debate me on it, be my guest.

That was in response to this question you had:

lowing wrote:

I think it is funny how all the internet conspiracy theorist have 911 allllll figured out 10 minutes after it happened, but when they apparently have all this information about everything PRE-911 not one of them throws a flag prior to the event. Hmmmmmmmmm.

And I am throwing everything out of context...

To answer all of this, once again. YOU DID NOT, "research" any of this, YOU found a talk show host that claims HE has it all figured out, and since YOU want to believe him because YOU are a young hippie trying to be cool you choose to follow his rhetoric. I put as much faith in YOUR ALEX JONES, or LIMBAUGH or HANNITY as I put in the Sunday preacher who is going to tell me what happens when I die, because HE went to bible college and he knows. I only put up Hannity and Limbough because your yard stick for measuring "proof" is a talk show host.

I have always maintained, and the bottom line for me is, We were attacked, Bush wasn't on the damn plane flying it into the WTC, our allies have been attacked. Since 911, American soil has NOT been attacked again. THAT is a good thing, after several attempts. Those are the facts that matter to me.

Now, you and your hippie "admin" geek squad buddies can tag me all you want, the fact is, when you grow up and earn everything you work for, you will want to protect it as well. You will not want to give it to those that chose not to work for it themselves. It won't be cool to be a hippie liberal dumb fuck. I guess you will just have wait and see.

I will also add, that the majority of the baby boomer, hippie generation who acted just like you have now, all changed their opinions AFTER they GREW UP.

Last edited by lowing (2006-08-27 05:15:45)