AlbertWesker[RE]
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spastic bullet wrote:

I could be wrong, but is that really the ACLU position -- that NAMBLA should "have a right to a relationship with a young adolescent"?  I'm skeptical
I don't know you tell me.

Here is a snippet
The  American Civil Liberties Union has asked a judge to dismiss what it calls an "unconstitutional" lawsuit against a national pedophile organization being sued in a wrongful death case after two of the group's members brutally raped and murdered a 10-year-old boy.

As reported in WorldNetDaily, Salvatore Sicari and Charles Jaynes picked up fifth-grader Jeffrey Curley and took the boy to the Boston Public Library where Jaynes accessed NAMBLA's website. Later, the men attempted to sexually assault Curley, but the boy fought back. Attempting to restrain him, Jaynes gagged the 10-year-old with a gasoline-soaked rag, eventually killing him. The men put Jeffrey's body in a tub with concrete and threw it in a river.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic … E_ID=18029

Last edited by AlbertWesker[RE] (2006-08-16 14:53:45)

AlbertWesker[RE]
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But the ACLU believes NAMBLA is being unconstitutionally ''sued for their ideas."
HAHA maybe they are being sued because the two members KILLED a boy.
Kmar
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A.c.l.u.
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AlbertWesker[RE]
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Kmarion wrote:

SEREMAKER wrote:

A.c.l.u.
ding..ding,ding.. we have a winner
LOL +1
spastic bullet
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AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

spastic bullet wrote:

I could be wrong, but is that really the ACLU position -- that NAMBLA should "have a right to a relationship with a young adolescent"?  I'm skeptical
I don't know you tell me.

Here is a snippet
The  American Civil Liberties Union has asked a judge to dismiss what it calls an "unconstitutional" lawsuit against a national pedophile organization being sued in a wrongful death case after two of the group's members brutally raped and murdered a 10-year-old boy.

As reported in WorldNetDaily, Salvatore Sicari and Charles Jaynes picked up fifth-grader Jeffrey Curley and took the boy to the Boston Public Library where Jaynes accessed NAMBLA's website. Later, the men attempted to sexually assault Curley, but the boy fought back. Attempting to restrain him, Jaynes gagged the 10-year-old with a gasoline-soaked rag, eventually killing him. The men put Jeffrey's body in a tub with concrete and threw it in a river.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic … E_ID=18029
Well, despite considerable doubts as to the seriousness and reliability of the source cited, I went ahead and read that article anyway.  And it turns out I was right -- the ACLU's position is not the same as NAMBLA's.  Read it for yourself and see.


AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

But the ACLU believes NAMBLA is being unconstitutionally ''sued for their ideas."
HAHA maybe they are being sued because the two members KILLED a boy.
No, that would have been the focus of the $328 million dollar wrongful death case against the killers which, unless you have evidence to the contrary, the ACLU seem to have had no qualms about, and rightly so.

The problem with the follow-up class action suit against NAMBLA, from the ACLU perspective, would be the precedent it would set for everybody else.  Or maybe you think it's cool if the NRA gets sued every time one of its members kills somebody?  Thought not.

There's no need to protect the kind of free speech most people already agree with -- like I said, the likes of NAMBLA are canaries in the mine shaft.  If the constitution protects their (vile) free speech (that nobody in their right mind would agree with), it most likely will protect anybody's.  As soon as we start bending our own rules, it's a slippery slope.
AlbertWesker[RE]
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Sorry for my mistep, however the ACLU has defended NAMBLA in other cases, with different circumstances that are completely ridicolous.  I agree NAMBLA can have all the wonderful thoughts that they want.

But as for the NRA analogy, that doesnt connect, the NRA does not publish photos or ideas on how to violate the law.  NAMBLA on the other hand, pictures of boys, nude drawings, well thats all and good but it certainly does not create a healthy environment to obey the law and respect the rights and privacy of children.  They also circulate nude pictures of children (obviously not widely reported) and the last time I checked, that is illegal.  I know of no NRA members (myself being one [an NRA member]) that circulate material to circumvent or break the law.  If they did, I and the NRA would advocate their immediate dismissal from the group.  NAMBLA on the other hand would not and have not.
spastic bullet
would like to know if you are on crack
+77|6783|vancouver
Fair enough.  All I'm saying is I very much doubt the ACLU would go to bat for NAMBLA unless there was a serious constitutional issue (like free speech) at stake.  Once set, precedents have a way of sticking around for a long time, and their full implications aren't always immediately clear.

If they break the law, that's another thing entirely.

Last edited by spastic bullet (2006-08-17 01:25:19)

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What is wrong with Sweden? We produces Volvo and that is a quite safe car I think
Lol.
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AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

{BMF}*Frank_The_Tank wrote:

We should wage war against........Bears
The Chicago Bears???

Or maybe the UCLA Bruins?
Anything associated with Bears period....Chicago Cubs, Chicago Bears, Polar Bears, Teddy Ruxbin, Grizzly Bears, etc, etc.
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
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Listed in no perticular order

1. Democrats

Ridicolous programs like furlough that release VIOLENT criminals onto the streets and to which another crime occurs and an innocent life is lost.  Don't even get me started on details about this, it just pisses me off, unless you think i'm lying of course.

2. Car companies

Car accidents cause more deaths a year then Terrorist so we should go to war with Japan, Germany, and Sweden

3. A.c.l.u.
ACLU tears away at our freedom, one side they fight for freedom of speech but they refuse to fight for the other freedoms and they are trying to rip apart our consitution ---- ex. they are fighting for the Westboro Baptist Church to protest at soldiers funerals and they also fight to have anything church related removed from any govt. property (hmm sounds little hypcritical to me) and the fight to abolish guns (protected by the 2nd Amendment), the fight to have the name God removed (they better start giving back their money then since it says "In God We Trust" )


4. Molecules

You can't see them, but they're everywhere -- just waiting for the right moment.  Never trust a molecule.


5. Bears...

no need to explain that one.
Kmar
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The_Shipbuilder
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People who are against the ACLU because they support the legal rights of unpopular Americans must be against the principles of the United States. I am proud to live in a country where an organization is willing to make sure everyone, even despicable types are processed justly and fairly under national law.
Kmar
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The_Shipbuilder wrote:

People who are against the ACLU because they support the legal rights of unpopular Americans must be against the principles of the United States. I am proud to live in a country where an organization is willing to make sure everyone, even despicable types are processed justly and fairly under national law.
Even if the American Civil Liberties Union represents a group that advocates sex between men and boys in a lawsuit brought by the family of a slain 10-year-old.

Proud?.. really?
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cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
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Well in all seriousness he was brought up on the charges doesn't mean that he's guilty. So even he deserves the right for an attorney
Kmar
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cpt.fass1 wrote:

Well in all seriousness he was brought up on the charges doesn't mean that he's guilty. So even he deserves the right for an attorney
Understood but it's the organization NAMBLA I am more concerned with.  I love freedom of speech but that doesn't mean you should have a free ticket to do anything.

Sorry I had to post this.. anyone see this South Park..lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Amer … ook_Alikes
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cpt.fass1
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I always thought that NAMBLA was more of a joke then anything for real I could be wrong though and if anyone brings up a web account, I'm not going to it.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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cpt.fass1 wrote:

I always thought that NAMBLA was more of a joke then anything for real I could be wrong though and if anyone brings up a web account, I'm not going to it.
lol... no it's actually real.
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cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
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Who the hell would sign up for that? Like do you go down to the convention center at Holiday Inn and say I like little boys?
Kmar
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Pretty much.. it's hard to believe I know.
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cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6939|NJ
Fuck it I'm going with my original it's a joke theory and not going to look at any proof otherwise. Oh what fun
Kmar
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cpt.fass1 wrote:

Fuck it I'm going with my original it's a joke theory and not going to look at any proof otherwise. Oh what fun
up.. now u made me do it..lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAMBLA

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/LAW/01/08/ … suit.crim/

NAMBLA defends what it asserts to be the right of minors to explore their sexuality on a much freer basis. It has resolved to "end the oppression of men and boys who have freely chosen mutually consenting relationships", and calls for "the adoption of laws that both protect children from unwanted sexual experiences and at the same time leave them free to determine the content of their own sexual experiences.

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-08-17 10:57:55)

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cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
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Yeah I read it too. that's messed up, Gay is gay but that's just messed up
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6887|Seattle, WA

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Yeah I read it too. that's messed up, Gay is gay but that's just messed up
+1, I have no problem with gay people, but NAMBLA is kinda pushing it way too far.
The_Shipbuilder
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Kmarion wrote:

The_Shipbuilder wrote:

People who are against the ACLU because they support the legal rights of unpopular Americans must be against the principles of the United States. I am proud to live in a country where an organization is willing to make sure everyone, even despicable types are processed justly and fairly under national law.
Even if the American Civil Liberties Union represents a group that advocates sex between men and boys in a lawsuit brought by the family of a slain 10-year-old.

Proud?.. really?
Yes. Proud.

The right to a fair trial is, for me, a sacred part of American tradition and law. When you support that right, you are standing up for one of the fundamental principles on which this country was founded.

If you don't like fair trials, move to North Korea or China.
SEREMAKER
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The_Shipbuilder wrote:

People who are against the ACLU because they support the legal rights of unpopular Americans must be against the principles of the United States. I am proud to live in a country where an organization is willing to make sure everyone, even despicable types are processed justly and fairly under national law.
ok ACLU is trying to defend their freedom of speech but by ACLU defending their freedom they give support to them too sexual exploit minors ( againt the law)
NAMBLA's goal is to end the extreme oppression of men and boys in mutually consensual relationships by:

building understanding and support for such relationships;
educating the general public on the benevolent nature of man/boy love;
cooperating with lesbian, gay, feminist, and other liberation movements;
supporting the liberation of persons of all ages from sexual prejudice and oppression.
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