cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6939|NJ

M1-Lightning wrote:

Third world countries/terrorists directly threaten our freedom via hijacking our planes and running them into  skyscapers. Sure there are criminals right here on the streets and killers on the loose, but name the last group of 19+ Americans that killed over 2500 Americans on one day. Name the last American that attempted to mass-murder hundreds of American civilians like that. And remember that Timothy Mcviegh targetted the government, not civilians. If you don't think that 2500 dead Americans in a couple of hours is significant enough to send our military around the world to chase down their organization and kill them, then please provide us with a number that will determine the need to do so.

Third world countries/terrorists threaten our civil liberties in an indirect manner. They bring bombs on planes *poof* we now search each bag for bombs... one less civil liberty to enjoy.
Do you feel safer in this country right now? With the way our administration has been failing us pretty much ever step of the way? Who are we hunting down half way across the world that is a real threat it's 5 years later we still haven't found Bin Ladden the "mastermind" behind the attack, or rebuilt the towers which belive it or not is costing us a couple million a day in revenue. We were killing top guys of the "terrorist" groups for a month straight and still haven't put a dent in this major threat..


Searching bags is not a violation of a civil liberty because Airlines are privately owned, but wire tapping without a warrent is..
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6785|Texas - Bigger than France

PRiMACORD wrote:

In another hypothetical but horrible scenario, let us assume that each week one commercial aircraft were hijacked and crashed. What are the odds that a person who goes on one trip per month would be in that plane? There are currently about 18,000 commercial flights a day, and if that person's trip has four flights associated with it, the odds against that person's being on a crashed plane are about 135,000 to 1. If there were only one hijacked plane per month, the odds would be about 540,000 to 1."

So yeah, you are more likely to get struck by lightning, die in a flood, ect.
Okay, so I'll mark you down as its okay to kill people by running planes into buildings, blowing them out of the sky, carbombing, or strapping C4 to a martyr to kill people in a shopping mall.

Do you miss the part where I was refluting Smitty?
R3v0LuT!oN
Member
+22|6909|United States
I've read this entire thread and I'm still stuck on:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

I think that if we let this South African tribe go on there will be a serious threat on our ability to educate(in the ways of Intellegent Design, the way God intended) our children.
Are you being serious?  Talking about our "freedoms" (one of which is FREEDOM OF RELIGION) on one hand while advocating that our kids be taught a specific religious belief in science classrooms?
You lost me there...

*edit:  LOL, not to even mention I haven't the slightest idea why you feel so threatened by a tribe in South Africa...

Last edited by R3v0LuT!oN (2006-08-16 12:39:44)

cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6939|NJ
It's sarcasm, I was blowing things out of proportion because I'm bored and sick of thing that will 95% of the time not really effect us as a people being used as propaganda to stir up a positive emotions towards war..
R3v0LuT!oN
Member
+22|6909|United States
ahhh.
aardfrith
Δ > x > ¥
+145|7035

Pug wrote:

I've canceled my vacation to England next month because of the incident last week.  Mostly because it's not wise to be an American in Europe right now.  I'm flying to Dallas in two weeks...so, to answer your question...no.

2nd - the point of my post was in response to the incorrect assumption that we are scared of muslims "taking over"....it's because we are sick of terrorists killing people.
Just wondering but would you have been less afraid had the plot not been uncovered and the alleged terrorists not been arrested?  Surely, if anything, recent events mean it's safer than ever to fly?
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6785|Texas - Bigger than France

aardfrith wrote:

Pug wrote:

I've canceled my vacation to England next month because of the incident last week.  Mostly because it's not wise to be an American in Europe right now.  I'm flying to Dallas in two weeks...so, to answer your question...no.

2nd - the point of my post was in response to the incorrect assumption that we are scared of muslims "taking over"....it's because we are sick of terrorists killing people.
Just wondering but would you have been less afraid had the plot not been uncovered and the alleged terrorists not been arrested?  Surely, if anything, recent events mean it's safer than ever to fly?
No, I pretty much decided not to go once Lebanon went up the creek.  Plus I'm not worried about the flight...it's when I'm over there...

I was in Greece when Gulf War II - Islamic Bugaloo broke out.  It was not very relaxing...
PRiMACORD
Member
+190|6868|Home of the Escalade Herds

Pug wrote:

Okay, so I'll mark you down as its okay to kill people by running planes into buildings, blowing them out of the sky, carbombing, or strapping C4 to a martyr to kill people in a shopping mall.

Do you miss the part where I was refluting Smitty?
When the fuck did i say it was ok to do that shit? I said the odds of your dumb ass dying because of terrorism is next to none and that you are much more likely to die from things we do on a daily basis.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6798

Pug wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Pug wrote:

I've canceled my vacation to England next month because of the incident last week.  Mostly because it's not wise to be an American in Europe right now.  I'm flying to Dallas in two weeks...so, to answer your question...no.

2nd - the point of my post was in response to the incorrect assumption that we are scared of muslims "taking over"....it's because we are sick of terrorists killing people.
Why is it not wise to be an American in Europe?

As for the second point, I agree.
Ummm...heightened threat levels?
Pug, the terrorists really have won if you have let 'heightened threat levels' prevent you from doing something you were going to do. The chances of you being at the wrong place at the wrong time are infinitesmally small not to mention the fact that the probability of something occurring is probably small too (probably the same level of threat as there always is anyway).
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6785|Texas - Bigger than France
Mr. Cord - My point was related to Smitty only.  I thought you were supporting the minimization of terrorism as an issue based on your post.

Sorry.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6785|Texas - Bigger than France

CameronPoe wrote:

Pug, the terrorists really have won if you have let 'heightened threat levels' prevent you from doing something you were going to do. The chances of you being at the wrong place at the wrong time are infinitesmally small not to mention the fact that the probability of something occurring is probably small too (probably the same level of threat as there always is anyway).
Yep, but I had rocks thrown at me while in Greece.  The weather was nice though...
M1-Lightning
Jeepers Creepers
+136|6974|Peoria, Illinois

cpt.fass1 wrote:

M1-Lightning wrote:

Third world countries/terrorists directly threaten our freedom via hijacking our planes and running them into  skyscapers. Sure there are criminals right here on the streets and killers on the loose, but name the last group of 19+ Americans that killed over 2500 Americans on one day. Name the last American that attempted to mass-murder hundreds of American civilians like that. And remember that Timothy Mcviegh targetted the government, not civilians. If you don't think that 2500 dead Americans in a couple of hours is significant enough to send our military around the world to chase down their organization and kill them, then please provide us with a number that will determine the need to do so.

Third world countries/terrorists threaten our civil liberties in an indirect manner. They bring bombs on planes *poof* we now search each bag for bombs... one less civil liberty to enjoy.
Do you feel safer in this country right now? With the way our administration has been failing us pretty much ever step of the way? Who are we hunting down half way across the world that is a real threat it's 5 years later we still haven't found Bin Ladden the "mastermind" behind the attack, or rebuilt the towers which belive it or not is costing us a couple million a day in revenue. We were killing top guys of the "terrorist" groups for a month straight and still haven't put a dent in this major threat..


Searching bags is not a violation of a civil liberty because Airlines are privately owned, but wire tapping without a warrent is..
It's not about feeling safe for me. Sorry, but I didn't get scared after 9/11. I don't fly on planes and I don't work in a big skyscraper. You're looking at it in the wrong perspective. Look at it as war with another nation rather than a war against drugs. When we get attacked, we attack back.

Did FDR look up statistical information on the probability of another attack against the US from Japan? Did he worry about the fear Americans had of living near the Pacific? Did he attack Japan to make Americans feel safer? 9/11 was a major attack on the US from an Islamic terrorist organization. Now we are at war with them. We won the war against Japan in 3 years but hey, they wore uniforms and flew flags... a bit easier to find 'em and kill 'em wouldn't ya say?

Last edited by M1-Lightning (2006-08-16 13:38:16)

CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6798

Pug wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Pug, the terrorists really have won if you have let 'heightened threat levels' prevent you from doing something you were going to do. The chances of you being at the wrong place at the wrong time are infinitesmally small not to mention the fact that the probability of something occurring is probably small too (probably the same level of threat as there always is anyway).
Yep, but I had rocks thrown at me while in Greece.  The weather was nice though...
Wha!?!? By who?
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6939|NJ
What's Japan have to do with it? I'm not following the reason for a comparision with Japan?


It's more like a war against drugs then it is a war against an other nation..
M1-Lightning
Jeepers Creepers
+136|6974|Peoria, Illinois

CameronPoe wrote:

Pug wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:


Why is it not wise to be an American in Europe?

As for the second point, I agree.
Ummm...heightened threat levels?
Pug, the terrorists really have won if you have let 'heightened threat levels' prevent you from doing something you were going to do. The chances of you being at the wrong place at the wrong time are infinitesmally small not to mention the fact that the probability of something occurring is probably small too (probably the same level of threat as there always is anyway).
Last I heard, the terrorist didn't fly planes into WTC to scare us into flying again. OBL said it was a strategic attack to weaken our economy and government.
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6939|NJ
Yup and after how many airlines almost went out of bussiness? They're a part of our economy which in turn weakend our government.
M1-Lightning
Jeepers Creepers
+136|6974|Peoria, Illinois

cpt.fass1 wrote:

What's Japan have to do with it? I'm not following the reason for a comparision with Japan?


It's more like a war against drugs then it is a war against an other nation..
That's your problem. You don't understand. This isn't an immigration problem or a drug problem that we can fight with adverisements and couseling. This is a real war.

war    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (wôr)
n.

A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties.
-Whiteroom-
Pineapplewhat
+572|6901|BC, Canada

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Well the better of us, means starts getting into our heads and making us afraid of our own shadows. If this starts happening we will start seeing lots of laws passed removing our "freedoms".
i think its more the way the media presents it to you that makes you jump at your own shadows. funny that it is your own citizens (by this i mean your citizens in the media) that are doing the most damage to your moral.
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6939|NJ
That's not my problem.

A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties.

Is the definition of war but only one side of this conflict is at war the other is use tactics that are more related to drug cartels and illegal immigrants.

WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Korea, even the First Iraq war was more of a war then this one. We are "policing" Iraq right now.
M1-Lightning
Jeepers Creepers
+136|6974|Peoria, Illinois

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Yup and after how many airlines almost went out of bussiness? They're a part of our economy which in turn weakend our government.
Fear wasn't the final goal. Preventing us from the ability to conduct overseas military operations in the middle east was the goal. See it now?
M1-Lightning
Jeepers Creepers
+136|6974|Peoria, Illinois

cpt.fass1 wrote:

That's not my problem.

A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties.

Is the definition of war but only one side of this conflict is at war the other is use tactics that are more related to drug cartels and illegal immigrants.

WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Korea, even the First Iraq war was more of a war then this one. We are "policing" Iraq right now.
Eh, you're telling me that my local police are dealing with the same thing as the US Marine Corp in Fallujah?

So this is what the war on drugs is like? - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … &hl=en

Last edited by M1-Lightning (2006-08-16 13:58:45)

cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6939|NJ
Depends do you live in a bad neighborhood?

If our government collapsed tomorrow and a real threat from China was to happen do you think that we wouldn't be able to conduct an attack?
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6887|Seattle, WA

cpt.fass1 wrote:

With the way our administration has been failing us pretty much ever step of the way? Who are we hunting down half way across the world that is a real threat it's 5 years later we still haven't found Bin Ladden the "mastermind" behind the attack
THIS administration   HAHAHAHA

How about blame the previous admin, ummm Clinton is the one who failed to pull the trigger on Bin Laden and also RELEASED the very same hijacker that flew one of the planes into the building, he also purposedly hushed info of a hijack plan when he learned the info from intelligence group on Bin Laden about the plan in 98.  HAHAHA Wow and you blame THIS administration.  The current has done the complete opposite, to go on the offensive than to just sit and twiddle thumbs while the terrorists plan.
Wasder
Resident Emo Hater
+139|6918|Moscow, Russia
Hmm, have the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq made you feel safer?
Do you plan your day based on the official threat level?

If you answered "Yes" to these questions then you, Sir, are a fucking idiot.
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6939|NJ

M1-Lightning wrote:

cpt.fass1 wrote:

That's not my problem.

A state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties.

Is the definition of war but only one side of this conflict is at war the other is use tactics that are more related to drug cartels and illegal immigrants.

WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Korea, even the First Iraq war was more of a war then this one. We are "policing" Iraq right now.
Eh, you're telling me that my local police are dealing with the same thing as the US Marine Corp in Fallujah?

So this is what the war on drugs is like? - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … &hl=en
Nope but sometimes mariens bring it home

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/11/marine.shooting/

oh and they actually have the equipment for the policing of Iraq.

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