BF2S Forums Global War the rise of Radical Islam and Jihadism.

Sn4kestyles wrote:

This thread is not about Muslims, this is a thread about the global trans-national rise of Radical Islam.If any of you have any illusions about the aims and goals of Radical Islam then you too must be a 'Kufur' or non -believer.In the eyes of radicals 'kufurs' are no more important than cattle,they can be owned like slaves and killed like livestock.Radical Islam's goal is the global domination of the west through the Koran.There can be no other religion but Islam, no other law but the Koran.

To truly understand the preaching of radical islamist we need to understand what Jidhad means.To many Westerners Jihad literally means holy war.The true meaning of Jihad is "To struggle" or "The struggle within" a concept not far from all religions it is the personal internal struggle all people's of faith go through.The main difference is that were all mainstream religions main ethos is the preservation of life, radical Islam through Jihad celebrates death.

Global jihad is on the rise, and like the rise of Nazi Germany they use propaganda to the blind the masses into believing that all problems are created externally in this case by America that is in turn controlled by Israel.From School books to national and satellite TV the teachings of radical Islam demonises the west, we are the followers of Satan and the only justice we are worthy of is death.

There can be no negotiation,no peace, no understanding only the Koran and those that follow the preachings of the Radicals.

Right now as we talk children in Iraq,Iran,Lebanon,S.Arabia and across the Muslim world are being taught that Jihad and the path of the martyr is not only morally right it is the only option.

As a 'kufur' i urge all of you to come the realization that this is a global war against not only the west but all religions and states that are non-believers.

Jew,Christian,Buddhist,Catholic,Hindus,Muslim we are all have the same target pointed at us.

So the real question is this: If the lines has been draw in the sand, what side are you on?.

Your post reminds me of Hitler's "The Jews are creating a global network, yada, yada, yada..." guff. I recognise that radical Islam is a very real danger but not on the level you suggest. I think we need to reach out to ordinary muslims and stop driving them into the arms of radical islam. We are partly indirectly responsible for the rise of radical Islam. For a start the west supports the Wahabi regime of Saudi Arabia - because we love their oil - shouldn't we rethink our strategy there perhaps? Radical Islam is a small nutjob sect akin to the KKK and other such organisations. We need to stop interfering violently in the middle east to prevent an explosion of radical islam, the first step being to address moderate muslims concerns over injustices in Palestine, the continued occupation of Iraq and continued support for despotic middle eastern leaders. The vast vast majority of muslims are ordinary people just like you and me - this 'global war' of which you speak is exaggerated FOX news nonsense. I don't see any amphibious craft approaching US shores with millions of headscarved jihadists. Four isolated incidents (WTC bomb & planes, USS Cole, US Embassy in Africa) over 10 or so years does not constitute 'global war'.

PS the concept of 'jihad' has been twisted by these extremists much to the chagrin of ordinary muslims.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-08-16 03:48:28)

Learn some geography, Chechnya isn't a "nation", Somali isn't either, same again with Bali and Sumatra.

When did Bali declare war against terrorism? They got bombed, they didn't respond by invading people, they've never declared themselves "at war with terrorism".

Sn4kestyles wrote:

Moderate Muslims are targets like the rest of us.How can a conflict that covers most of middles east, with incidents through Asia,Africa and Europe on the rise not be a war, and if the Jihads have declared war against us then is it not a war. With over 1.2 Billion Muslims worldwide and estimated 10%-15% supporting Radical Islam....well you do the math.

Still maybe what i need to do is list all the area's worldwide were Radical Islam is in conflict with nation states.

You talk of the Nazi's but wasn't it Chamberlain that appeased the Nazis and declared "Peace in Our Time" wasn't it the fact that the world turned a blind eye to Nazism that led to its rise. Never mind the fact that 'Mien Kampf" literally means 'My Struggle" the only difference is that were Nazis did things in the name of the Fuhrer Jihadists do it in the name of Alla and the Koran.

Nations at war or in conflict with radical Islamists.

United States of America
United Kingdom
France
Germany
Spain
Thailand
Bali
Australia
Chechnya
Russia
Sudan
Kenya
Somali
India
Pakistan
Lebanon
Israel
Sumatra
Philippines
Dagestan
Uzbekistan
Nepal


And that's just the few i can remember.

On the Chamberlain point: Nazi Germany was a nation with wide support within its own population for the ideology on which the nation became based. It had an obvious military capacity to annihilate many many people and nations, and nearly won. There is little that is similar between cave-dwellers with RPGs and a crazed despot with a giant private army, the SS, and a fine fleet of panzer tanks and high quality military aircraft. Especially in the context that Western Nations, especially the USA are eons ahead of them in terms of military technology.

10-15% radical? That seems awfully high. That can't be supported by any hard facts. I doubt harldine radical islamists spend their time partaking in opinion surveys!!!!

Nations at War with "Radical Islam":

USA - 4 incidents in the past 15 years - in that same time USA have produced more radical islamists through their own ill-judged actions in the middle east and support for the terrorist state of Israel.

UK - 1 incident and 1 prevented incident. Both incidents involved citizens of their own country. I don't classify those incidents as acts of war, I classify those incidents as acts of criminality.

France - No incidents really. Jobless immigrants rioting is about the height of it - nothing to do with radical islam.

Germany - No incidents at all. They have a very large turkish immigrant population so if radical islam were rampant there I would have expected some sort of incident by now.

Spain - 1 incident. Reason: support for the war in Iraq - not radical islam. No incidents since removing their troops from Iraq.

Sumatra/Bali are not countries - they're part of Indonesia, an islamist country. 1 incident. True radical islam.

Russia/Chechnya - understandably fighting against Russian hegemony over their country. Not radical islam although the protagonists are portrayed in that light.

Australia - no incidents.

India/Pakistan - sectarian violence mainly centring around the Jammu/Kashmir territorial dispute.

Lebanon - part radical islam, part get-the-fuck out of Shebaa farms and return our POWs from the previous Israeli invasion.

Israel - some radical islam, mostly resistance to oppression and the stealth of arab land.

Nepal - maoists, not radical islam!!

Somalia - that country is a disaster. Radical Islam, Roaming Warlords, Cartels, you name it. It all stays within their borders though. No danger to us.

Sudan - true radical islam it seems. Hardly posing a threat to anyone outside Sudan. They ain't exactly the Wehrmacht!

Uzbekistan, Dagestan, Thailand, Phillipines: no idea, haven't heard much going on there apart from incidents on Mindanao.

To sum up - all western nations in the list above face practically zero meaningful threat from 'radical islam' other than the odd suicide belter taking a few westies with him to Allah!

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-08-16 05:32:47)

Dunno how about rest of the countries on the list, but in Israel radical islam its the only thread.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1q4ziaa9QjQ

^^^

TeamZephyr wrote:

Learn some geography, Chechnya isn't a "nation", Somali isn't either, same again with Bali and Sumatra.

When did Bali declare war against terrorism? They got bombed, they didn't respond by invading people, they've never declared themselves "at war with terrorism".

semantics, you know what he meant

Bali isn't a nation, and Russia is at war with secessionists who happen to be Islamic.

Further, Osama Bin Ladens goal isn't to take over the world: rather, he wants to turn the Middle East into a single, Islamic nation.  An Islamic superpower, basically.

Why not?

Bubbalo wrote:

Bali isn't a nation, and Russia is at war with secessionists who happen to be Islamic.

The guy who posted that already issued corrections. My own raised eyebrow was put at ease.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-10-24 21:12:40)