jonsimon
then kiss good bye what you take for granted now!
then kiss good bye what you take for granted now!
All Im saying is the Koran preaches a peaceful and charitable life. Anyone who claims islamic law would somehow be violent or opressive is using the term incorrectly.ht_fly wrote:
jonsimon
then kiss good bye what you take for granted now!
Flights leave for the middle east EVERY DAY. Do you want me to give you a one way ticket pass rider so you can go live your dream??jonsimon wrote:
Life under islamic law would be pleasant. Everyone would be obligated to give significantly to charity and violence would be prohibited except in self defense. Every offender would be apportioned a second chance and punishment after which would be strict.
Considering Islam is based wholly around the Koran, I am assuming 'Islamic law' would be directly resembling the teachings therein.
LOL yeah........live a peaceful and charitable life or you will be be-headed.............sounds funjonsimon wrote:
All Im saying is the Koran preaches a peaceful and charitable life. Anyone who claims islamic law would somehow be violent or opressive is using the term incorrectly.ht_fly wrote:
jonsimon
then kiss good bye what you take for granted now!
Every faith preaches charitable and peaceful life.
but christians and jews do not used the perscribed punishments found in the bible to carry out justice!
Are we going to stone the whores!
Are we really practicing an eye for eye in the western world!
Ah, but under Islam, if practiced and followed to the rule, then there is an eye for eye.
but christians and jews do not used the perscribed punishments found in the bible to carry out justice!
Are we going to stone the whores!
Are we really practicing an eye for eye in the western world!
Ah, but under Islam, if practiced and followed to the rule, then there is an eye for eye.
Last edited by ht_fly (2006-08-21 16:42:35)
Ah yes, lowing, with his unprecendented understanding of the Koran.lowing wrote:
LOL yeah........live a peaceful and charitable life or you will be be-headed.............sounds funjonsimon wrote:
All Im saying is the Koran preaches a peaceful and charitable life. Anyone who claims islamic law would somehow be violent or opressive is using the term incorrectly.ht_fly wrote:
jonsimon
then kiss good bye what you take for granted now!
Just close your ignorant mouth.
The KKK, the Catholic church of the Medieval ages, the IDF. They all use their religions as justification for their oppressions and evils.ht_fly wrote:
Every faith preaches charitable and peaceful life.
but christians and jews do not used the perscribed punishments found in the bible to carry out justice!
Are we going to stone the whores!
Are we really practicing an eye for eye in the western world!
Ah, but under Islam, if practiced and followed to the rule, then there is an eye for and eye.
Islam practiced to the T would create a peaceful man who was introspective and sought to better himself. He would give to others and strike only when struck.
You cannot claim that Islam creates Islamic extremists, because extremists do not follow Islam.
Christians and Jews have evolved much quicker then Muslims and have stopped doing the crimes you speak of, but at one time they did stone whores, and did practice an eye for an eye.ht_fly wrote:
Every faith preaches charitable and peaceful life.
but Christians and Jews do not used the prescribed punishments found in the bible to carry out justice!
Are we going to stone the whores!
Are we really practicing an eye for eye in the western world!
Ah, but under Islam, if practiced and followed to the rule, then there is an eye for and eye.
isn't it possible given enough time and patience that Islam will also evolve to a similar level to western standards?
Yeah it does, as long as everyone is the right kind of muslim.jonsimon wrote:
All Im saying is the Koran preaches a peaceful and charitable life. Anyone who claims islamic law would somehow be violent or opressive is using the term incorrectly.ht_fly wrote:
jonsimon
then kiss good bye what you take for granted now!
Oh my mistake, Muslims AREN'T be-heading people. How ignorant of me. Let me know when you want that one way ticket.jonsimon wrote:
Ah yes, lowing, with his unprecendented understanding of the Koran.lowing wrote:
LOL yeah........live a peaceful and charitable life or you will be be-headed.............sounds funjonsimon wrote:
All Im saying is the Koran preaches a peaceful and charitable life. Anyone who claims islamic law would somehow be violent or opressive is using the term incorrectly.
Just close your ignorant mouth.
Yeah it does, as long as everyone is the right kind of muslim.
That is like wishing in one hand and crapping in the other!
I know which one will be filled first.
By the way your counter arguement proves my point, KKK and the IDF, just proves the Islam has crazy people just like Christians and Jews. But I would be correct in asuming that Islam has a harder time controlling these off shoots due to the decenterialized structure of the Islamic religion which leaves the Koranic text open to vast interpretations!
That is like wishing in one hand and crapping in the other!
I know which one will be filled first.
By the way your counter arguement proves my point, KKK and the IDF, just proves the Islam has crazy people just like Christians and Jews. But I would be correct in asuming that Islam has a harder time controlling these off shoots due to the decenterialized structure of the Islamic religion which leaves the Koranic text open to vast interpretations!
Or maybe it could be that most Muslims support the radicals?? Or did I miss the world wide Muslim support for the US on 911??ht_fly wrote:
Yeah it does, as long as everyone is the right kind of muslim.
That is like wishing in one hand and crapping in the other!
I know which one will be filled first.
By the way your counter arguement proves my point, KKK and the IDF, just proves the Islam has crazy people just like Christians and Jews. But I would be correct in asuming that Islam has a harder time controlling these off shoots due to the decenterialized structure of the Islamic religion which leaves the Koranic text open to vast interpretations!
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Ah!
Lowing has something here that is even more interesting.
It is not about religion, it is about who's ideology will shape the future to come. Using that stance, the moderate and the radical can really agree and have no objections to promoting and defeating competitive ideologies.
Good point lowing!
Lowing has something here that is even more interesting.
It is not about religion, it is about who's ideology will shape the future to come. Using that stance, the moderate and the radical can really agree and have no objections to promoting and defeating competitive ideologies.
Good point lowing!
Why thank you sir, although my wording is more sarcastic and condescending and yours more politically correct we arrived at the same place at the same time.ht_fly wrote:
Ah!
Lowing has something here that is even more interesting.
It is not about religion, it is about who's ideology will shape the future to come. Using that stance, the moderate and the radical can really agree and have no objections to promoting and defeating competitive ideologies.
Good point lowing!
Christianity is open to even greater misinterpretation. It has not one, but a plethera of books to consider. Study the Catholic church during the medieval age, it manipulated interpretations constantly.ht_fly wrote:
Yeah it does, as long as everyone is the right kind of muslim.
That is like wishing in one hand and crapping in the other!
I know which one will be filled first.
By the way your counter arguement proves my point, KKK and the IDF, just proves the Islam has crazy people just like Christians and Jews. But I would be correct in asuming that Islam has a harder time controlling these off shoots due to the decenterialized structure of the Islamic religion which leaves the Koranic text open to vast interpretations!
And that has what to do with the Koran? The fact that muslims commit crimes does not translate into Islam commiting crimes.lowing wrote:
Or maybe it could be that most Muslims support the radicals?? Or did I miss the world wide Muslim support for the US on 911??ht_fly wrote:
Yeah it does, as long as everyone is the right kind of muslim.
That is like wishing in one hand and crapping in the other!
I know which one will be filled first.
By the way your counter arguement proves my point, KKK and the IDF, just proves the Islam has crazy people just like Christians and Jews. But I would be correct in asuming that Islam has a harder time controlling these off shoots due to the decenterialized structure of the Islamic religion which leaves the Koranic text open to vast interpretations!
Unless of course you are ready to admit that christianity is far guiltier of murder than Islam.
To be honest, there's no religion that is clean. All the religions are guilty of something. The Inquisition and The Crusades are both things that muslims did?
If it were for me screw all religions.
If it were for me screw all religions.
This AIN'T the medieval agejonsimon wrote:
Christianity is open to even greater misinterpretation. It has not one, but a plethera of books to consider. Study the Catholic church during the medieval age, it manipulated interpretations constantly.ht_fly wrote:
Yeah it does, as long as everyone is the right kind of muslim.
That is like wishing in one hand and crapping in the other!
I know which one will be filled first.
By the way your counter arguement proves my point, KKK and the IDF, just proves the Islam has crazy people just like Christians and Jews. But I would be correct in asuming that Islam has a harder time controlling these off shoots due to the decenterialized structure of the Islamic religion which leaves the Koranic text open to vast interpretations!
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Both were guilty in the past......MUSLIMS are by far more guilty NOW!!jonsimon wrote:
And that has what to do with the Koran? The fact that muslims commit crimes does not translate into Islam commiting crimes.lowing wrote:
Or maybe it could be that most Muslims support the radicals?? Or did I miss the world wide Muslim support for the US on 911??ht_fly wrote:
Yeah it does, as long as everyone is the right kind of muslim.
That is like wishing in one hand and crapping in the other!
I know which one will be filled first.
By the way your counter arguement proves my point, KKK and the IDF, just proves the Islam has crazy people just like Christians and Jews. But I would be correct in asuming that Islam has a harder time controlling these off shoots due to the decenterialized structure of the Islamic religion which leaves the Koranic text open to vast interpretations!
Unless of course you are ready to admit that christianity is far guiltier of murder than Islam.
and it is current events we are talking about now isn't it??
Last edited by lowing (2006-08-21 19:10:57)
No, as a matter of fact. We are talking about a hypothetical idealistic society under islamic law. Because the actions of muslims do no represent the sentiments of Islam, they are irrellevant.lowing wrote:
Both were guilty in the past......MUSLIMS are by far more guilty NOW!!jonsimon wrote:
And that has what to do with the Koran? The fact that muslims commit crimes does not translate into Islam commiting crimes.lowing wrote:
Or maybe it could be that most Muslims support the radicals?? Or did I miss the world wide Muslim support for the US on 911??
Unless of course you are ready to admit that christianity is far guiltier of murder than Islam.
and it is current events we are talking about now isn't it??
Ya, ok.............just let me know when you are packed and ready to fly off to paradise.jonsimon wrote:
No, as a matter of fact. We are talking about a hypothetical idealistic society under islamic law. Because the actions of muslims do no represent the sentiments of Islam, they are irrellevant.lowing wrote:
Both were guilty in the past......MUSLIMS are by far more guilty NOW!!jonsimon wrote:
And that has what to do with the Koran? The fact that muslims commit crimes does not translate into Islam commiting crimes.
Unless of course you are ready to admit that christianity is far guiltier of murder than Islam.
and it is current events we are talking about now isn't it??
How can the Americans on this board complain about Muslims Beheading ppl when Bush's favorite pass time was signing death warrants, an eye for an eye. Bush is a born again Christian, he claims. Does God tell him to kill these ppl? Does Allah tell Muslims to kill ppl? No and No. The old testament has all the eye for an eye shite in it. The Koran does not teach revenge and murder. Its how both are interpreted to suit ppl who want to twist and use it to there advantage. Its Human nature to exact revenge. Then religion is used as an excuse to vilify and justify it.
The next time Bush be-heads someone in the name of GOD or ALLAH, I will agree with youJahManRed wrote:
How can the Americans on this board complain about Muslims Beheading ppl when Bush's favorite pass time was signing death warrants, an eye for an eye. Bush is a born again Christian, he claims. Does God tell him to kill these ppl? Does Allah tell Muslims to kill ppl? No and No. The old testament has all the eye for an eye shite in it. The Koran does not teach revenge and murder. Its how both are interpreted to suit ppl who want to twist and use it to there advantage. Its Human nature to exact revenge. Then religion is used as an excuse to vilify and justify it.
Whats the difference in be-heading and the electric chair, none! Infact scientific experiments have shown that there is no pain in be-heading even though your head stays alive for another 30 seconds or so, where as being electrocuted is very pain full and often causes the victim to scream in pain. Btw dont try and say we dont use the chair anymore because you havent stopped using it for long thus the guilt is in your life time.
When you are thinking that way, you are as fundamentalist as the terrorist you hate.lowing wrote:
Ya, ok.............just let me know when you are packed and ready to fly off to paradise.jonsimon wrote:
No, as a matter of fact. We are talking about a hypothetical idealistic society under islamic law. Because the actions of muslims do no represent the sentiments of Islam, they are irrellevant.lowing wrote:
Both were guilty in the past......MUSLIMS are by far more guilty NOW!!
and it is current events we are talking about now isn't it??