You have to give them a try. Let Israel go anywhere else, with the rest of free world help, and then see what happens.lowing wrote:
I will agree with that.sergeriver wrote:
Again, jews and Israel, different things. I have jewish blood so I'm not defending muslims, but I think Palestine and Israel have both right to be there, now how the hell do you solve the problem? You can't. If you think about a solution, well send it to UN, coz nobody knows how to deal with this neverending war. Do you really think that this will stop until Israel is "removed". They'll not stop. Israel unfortunely has 2 options: stay and live at war forever or leave the place and rearm the country anywhere else. It sounds brutal and unfair but it's how things are, and the extremists won't change, assume it. They're extremists. You can kill them, but there'll be more and more. If they kill you they won, if you kill them they won too.lowing wrote:
The only problem with this guys, is he is threatening to destroy an entire nation and ALL who support it if they don't leave. Israel has just as much right to exist as Iran. Do you honestly think Israel will pull down its flag because a terrorist told them to? If they did, do you not consider that negotiating with terrorists? Are you actually advocating bending to the terrorists will so no one gets hurt??
You really don't consider wiping a nation of Jews off the face of the earth, an advocation for genocide? The only way this man will get his way is by death and destruction, the Jews will never give up Israel.
You guys sound like you approve of his words and support him, as just misunderstood. He is a terrorist
What do you think will happen to those Jews in Iran the second he starts destroying Israel??
Let me pose a hypothetical at you. Lets say Israel is dismantaled, and we bent to the will of the terrorists. Do you really think it ends there? Do you really think Islamic radicals won't continue there attacks on the world?
If not, where, exactly, do you plan on dawing a line in the sand and say NO MORE??
I did give them a try in my hypothetical, then I posed questions to you as to the rusults. Please let me know what you think will happen nextsergeriver wrote:
You have to give them a try. Let Israel go anywhere else, with the rest of free world help, and then see what happens.lowing wrote:
I will agree with that.sergeriver wrote:
Again, jews and Israel, different things. I have jewish blood so I'm not defending muslims, but I think Palestine and Israel have both right to be there, now how the hell do you solve the problem? You can't. If you think about a solution, well send it to UN, coz nobody knows how to deal with this neverending war. Do you really think that this will stop until Israel is "removed". They'll not stop. Israel unfortunely has 2 options: stay and live at war forever or leave the place and rearm the country anywhere else. It sounds brutal and unfair but it's how things are, and the extremists won't change, assume it. They're extremists. You can kill them, but there'll be more and more. If they kill you they won, if you kill them they won too.
Let me pose a hypothetical at you. Lets say Israel is dismantaled, and we bent to the will of the terrorists. Do you really think it ends there? Do you really think Islamic radicals won't continue there attacks on the world?
If not, where, exactly, do you plan on dawing a line in the sand and say NO MORE??
Nobody can say what will happen, but I can say it will be much better than now. If you suggest that muslims will keep on the terrorist thing, well then attack them and fight them, but until it happens give them a try.lowing wrote:
I did give them a try in my hypothetical, then I posed questions to you as to the rusults. Please let me know what you think will happen nextsergeriver wrote:
You have to give them a try. Let Israel go anywhere else, with the rest of free world help, and then see what happens.lowing wrote:
I will agree with that.
Let me pose a hypothetical at you. Lets say Israel is dismantaled, and we bent to the will of the terrorists. Do you really think it ends there? Do you really think Islamic radicals won't continue there attacks on the world?
If not, where, exactly, do you plan on dawing a line in the sand and say NO MORE??
Better for who the terrorist? Of that I have no doubt. Considering the fact that Israel has only existed for 60+ years, and this shit has been going on for several thousand years, how can you even think bending to terrorists demands is the solution?sergeriver wrote:
Nobody can say what will happen, but I can say it will be much better than now. If you suggest that muslims will keep on the terrorist thing, well then attack them and fight them, but until it happens give them a try.lowing wrote:
I did give them a try in my hypothetical, then I posed questions to you as to the rusults. Please let me know what you think will happen nextsergeriver wrote:
You have to give them a try. Let Israel go anywhere else, with the rest of free world help, and then see what happens.
I think you are missing the point. Muslim terrorists are a modern era disease. I think you may also call terrorism the Crusades. The important thing here is that since Israel was put there, the whole thing sucks.lowing wrote:
Better for who the terrorist? Of that I have no doubt. Considering the fact that Israel has only existed for 60+ years, and this shit has been going on for several thousand years, how can you even think bending to terrorists demands is the solution?sergeriver wrote:
Nobody can say what will happen, but I can say it will be much better than now. If you suggest that muslims will keep on the terrorist thing, well then attack them and fight them, but until it happens give them a try.lowing wrote:
I did give them a try in my hypothetical, then I posed questions to you as to the rusults. Please let me know what you think will happen next
You can't predict the future, so let's use some money to help Israel moving to a safer location, give Israel the rights on the new land, and help Israel reconstruct the new country in peace. I think the whole world will be better. If you don't do something quick, some asshole could push some button and blow the whole Israel. We don't want that. Stop the war and if the terrorists after moving Israel, keep doing their shit, well then I don't know, but at least do something. Invading their countries only creates more hate.
Please tell me what gives gives the terrorists the right to that land over Israel? The Jews have existed in that region just as long as any Muslim. As a matter of fact there has been NO definative historical fact that says that land belongs to the Muslims over the Jews. there is always someone taking the time line back another 100 years to say who it belongs to. It is the Muslims that do not want to co-exist with Israel. It is the Muslims that are trying to enforce absolutes.sergeriver wrote:
I think you are missing the point. Muslim terrorists are a modern era disease. I think you may also call terrorism the Crusades. The important thing here is that since Israel was put there, the whole thing sucks.lowing wrote:
Better for who the terrorist? Of that I have no doubt. Considering the fact that Israel has only existed for 60+ years, and this shit has been going on for several thousand years, how can you even think bending to terrorists demands is the solution?sergeriver wrote:
Nobody can say what will happen, but I can say it will be much better than now. If you suggest that muslims will keep on the terrorist thing, well then attack them and fight them, but until it happens give them a try.
You can't predict the future, so let's use some money to help Israel moving to a safer location, give Israel the rights on the new land, and help Israel reconstruct the new country in peace. I think the whole world will be better. If you don't do something quick, some asshole could push some button and blow the whole Israel. We don't want that. Stop the war and if the terrorists after moving Israel, keep doing their shit, well then I don't know, but at least do something. Invading their countries only creates more hate.
While I understand and agree that being a Muslims does not make you a tango, however, the problem with Islam as I see it, is they refuse to police themselfs. If folks in the USA or the UK had their citizens blowing up stuff in other countrys you can bet your last penny, that unless our govt. was behind it, we would be leading the charge to fnd and hang those folks. So unless their is a huge turn taken by most of the Countrys in the Middles East, their will be only one solution, total war. What has just happened to Israel was total b s, The west forced Israel to take the cease fire. what we should have been doing is jumping in with both feet to help Israel, which would mean just sending them any material they requested, and let them finish the job.
I agree with you, they both have rights on the land. But considering that Israel is surrounded by muslin countries in that land that nobody says doesn't belong to them and Palestine, you may want to take Israel to another land. This shit is going towards WW3. Move Israel to another place. Simply and difficult too. But I think there's no option. Don't see that as "the muslins won", see it like "well, now Israel can leave in peace".lowing wrote:
Please tell me what gives gives the terrorists the right to that land over Israel? The Jews have existed in that region just as long as any Muslim. As a matter of fact there has been NO definative historical fact that says that land belongs to the Muslims over the Jews. there is always someone taking the time line back another 100 years to say who it belongs to. It is the Muslims that do not want to co-exist with Israel. It is the Muslims that are trying to enforce absolutes.sergeriver wrote:
I think you are missing the point. Muslim terrorists are a modern era disease. I think you may also call terrorism the Crusades. The important thing here is that since Israel was put there, the whole thing sucks.lowing wrote:
Better for who the terrorist? Of that I have no doubt. Considering the fact that Israel has only existed for 60+ years, and this shit has been going on for several thousand years, how can you even think bending to terrorists demands is the solution?
You can't predict the future, so let's use some money to help Israel moving to a safer location, give Israel the rights on the new land, and help Israel reconstruct the new country in peace. I think the whole world will be better. If you don't do something quick, some asshole could push some button and blow the whole Israel. We don't want that. Stop the war and if the terrorists after moving Israel, keep doing their shit, well then I don't know, but at least do something. Invading their countries only creates more hate.
Both muslins and jews are like ants, they're all ants. But what happens if you put some red ants in the middle of a black ants colony?
This war you can't win. Period.Budo7 wrote:
While I understand and agree that being a Muslims does not make you a tango, however, the problem with Islam as I see it, is they refuse to police themselfs. If folks in the USA or the UK had their citizens blowing up stuff in other countrys you can bet your last penny, that unless our govt. was behind it, we would be leading the charge to fnd and hang those folks. So unless their is a huge turn taken by most of the Countrys in the Middles East, their will be only one solution, total war. What has just happened to Israel was total b s, The west forced Israel to take the cease fire. what we should have been doing is jumping in with both feet to help Israel, which would mean just sending them any material they requested, and let them finish the job.
We're already winning it.sergeriver wrote:
This war you can't win. Period.Budo7 wrote:
While I understand and agree that being a Muslims does not make you a tango, however, the problem with Islam as I see it, is they refuse to police themselfs. If folks in the USA or the UK had their citizens blowing up stuff in other countrys you can bet your last penny, that unless our govt. was behind it, we would be leading the charge to fnd and hang those folks. So unless their is a huge turn taken by most of the Countrys in the Middles East, their will be only one solution, total war. What has just happened to Israel was total b s, The west forced Israel to take the cease fire. what we should have been doing is jumping in with both feet to help Israel, which would mean just sending them any material they requested, and let them finish the job.
You are so wrong. They are winning, causing people trouble to travel, making a 2 hours flight a 6 hours torture at airport. Who do you think is winning?M1-Lightning wrote:
We're already winning it.sergeriver wrote:
This war you can't win. Period.Budo7 wrote:
While I understand and agree that being a Muslims does not make you a tango, however, the problem with Islam as I see it, is they refuse to police themselfs. If folks in the USA or the UK had their citizens blowing up stuff in other countrys you can bet your last penny, that unless our govt. was behind it, we would be leading the charge to fnd and hang those folks. So unless their is a huge turn taken by most of the Countrys in the Middles East, their will be only one solution, total war. What has just happened to Israel was total b s, The west forced Israel to take the cease fire. what we should have been doing is jumping in with both feet to help Israel, which would mean just sending them any material they requested, and let them finish the job.
The governments are winning. Steeping the populace in fear, an instant attention grabber. Domestic policy issues? Not a problem when you have terrorism on your side!
WTF?CameronPoe wrote:
How christian of you. Hypocritical godboy. 'Turn the other cheek', 'love thy neighbour as thyself', etc., etc. - I love hypcritical christians - they reaffirm my faith in the fact that christianity is bullshit.G3|Genius wrote:
the Islam religion has been hijacked by evil.
Let's call the shots as they are: EVIL
Where the hell did he bring Christianity into the equation. Agnostic little punks get on everyones nerve always spinning everything to their own advantage...Hypocritical godboy, thats the second time I have seen you call someone that.
He is entitled to his opinions as much as you are CameronPoe.
NotM1-Lightning wrote:
We're already winning it.sergeriver wrote:
This war you can't win. Period.Budo7 wrote:
While I understand and agree that being a Muslims does not make you a tango, however, the problem with Islam as I see it, is they refuse to police themselfs. If folks in the USA or the UK had their citizens blowing up stuff in other countrys you can bet your last penny, that unless our govt. was behind it, we would be leading the charge to fnd and hang those folks. So unless their is a huge turn taken by most of the Countrys in the Middles East, their will be only one solution, total war. What has just happened to Israel was total b s, The west forced Israel to take the cease fire. what we should have been doing is jumping in with both feet to help Israel, which would mean just sending them any material they requested, and let them finish the job.
Do you really think moving Israel would help anybody? It would just be celebrated as 'another great islamic win' and followed by more terror and delusions of grandeur of Islamic leaders. What is needed is to take out as many of those Islamic 'governments' and replace them with whatever is deemed appropriate to show the people of those countries how to live a life in peace and how big of a lie their religion was/is. Because Islam doesn't mean more than lie to me anyway.sergeriver wrote:
I agree with you, they both have rights on the land. But considering that Israel is surrounded by muslin countries in that land that nobody says doesn't belong to them and Palestine, you may want to take Israel to another land. This shit is going towards WW3. Move Israel to another place. Simply and difficult too. But I think there's no option. Don't see that as "the muslins won", see it like "well, now Israel can leave in peace".lowing wrote:
Please tell me what gives gives the terrorists the right to that land over Israel? The Jews have existed in that region just as long as any Muslim. As a matter of fact there has been NO definative historical fact that says that land belongs to the Muslims over the Jews. there is always someone taking the time line back another 100 years to say who it belongs to. It is the Muslims that do not want to co-exist with Israel. It is the Muslims that are trying to enforce absolutes.sergeriver wrote:
I think you are missing the point. Muslim terrorists are a modern era disease. I think you may also call terrorism the Crusades. The important thing here is that since Israel was put there, the whole thing sucks.
You can't predict the future, so let's use some money to help Israel moving to a safer location, give Israel the rights on the new land, and help Israel reconstruct the new country in peace. I think the whole world will be better. If you don't do something quick, some asshole could push some button and blow the whole Israel. We don't want that. Stop the war and if the terrorists after moving Israel, keep doing their shit, well then I don't know, but at least do something. Invading their countries only creates more hate.
Both muslins and jews are like ants, they're all ants. But what happens if you put some red ants in the middle of a black ants colony?
And for those who say "Who gives us the right to judge whether their government is right or wrong and just take over and replace it?" Well... the question is more like can we justify leaving governments in action, where, just one example (enough others have already been posted in this thread), an 8 year old boy gets his arm crushed by a car in public to be permanently disabled as punishment because he was caught stealing? (this really happened in Iran, and there were even photographs taken) Don't they know that kids at that age can't be held fully responsible? I thought their were so superior to Jews and Christians?! This is just sick primitive crap and yes, I say here in public that I KNOW that all countries ruled under Sharia by Islamic leaders are per definition inferior and must be taken over and helped against this unfortunate situation. No goddamn liberal populist can ever tell me this isn't true.
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There's this one religion that has a number of members that enjoy sodomising young boys. HINT: It's not IslamVintageologist wrote:
Do you really think moving Israel would help anybody? It would just be celebrated as 'another great islamic win' and followed by more terror and delusions of grandeur of Islamic leaders. What is needed is to take out as many of those Islamic 'governments' and replace them with whatever is deemed appropriate to show the people of those countries how to live a life in peace and how big of a lie their religion was/is. Because Islam doesn't mean more than lie to me anyway.sergeriver wrote:
I agree with you, they both have rights on the land. But considering that Israel is surrounded by muslin countries in that land that nobody says doesn't belong to them and Palestine, you may want to take Israel to another land. This shit is going towards WW3. Move Israel to another place. Simply and difficult too. But I think there's no option. Don't see that as "the muslins won", see it like "well, now Israel can leave in peace".lowing wrote:
Please tell me what gives gives the terrorists the right to that land over Israel? The Jews have existed in that region just as long as any Muslim. As a matter of fact there has been NO definative historical fact that says that land belongs to the Muslims over the Jews. there is always someone taking the time line back another 100 years to say who it belongs to. It is the Muslims that do not want to co-exist with Israel. It is the Muslims that are trying to enforce absolutes.
Both muslins and jews are like ants, they're all ants. But what happens if you put some red ants in the middle of a black ants colony?
And for those who say "Who gives us the right to judge whether their government is right or wrong and just take over and replace it?" Well... the question is more like can we justify leaving governments in action, where, just one example (enough others have already been posted in this thread), an 8 year old boy gets his arm crushed by a car in public to be permanently disabled as punishment because he was caught stealing? (this really happened in Iran, and there were even photographs taken) Don't they know that kids at that age can't be held fully responsible? I thought their were so superior to Jews and Christians?! This is just sick primitive crap and yes, I say here in public that I KNOW that all countries ruled under Sharia by Islamic leaders are per definition inferior and must be taken over and helped against this unfortunate situation. No goddamn liberal populist can ever tell me this isn't true.
Oh, I know this one... Ikartism! FTW!!!Ikarti wrote:
There's this one religion that has a number of members that enjoy sodomising young boys. HINT: It's not IslamVintageologist wrote:
Do you really think moving Israel would help anybody? It would just be celebrated as 'another great islamic win' and followed by more terror and delusions of grandeur of Islamic leaders. What is needed is to take out as many of those Islamic 'governments' and replace them with whatever is deemed appropriate to show the people of those countries how to live a life in peace and how big of a lie their religion was/is. Because Islam doesn't mean more than lie to me anyway.sergeriver wrote:
I agree with you, they both have rights on the land. But considering that Israel is surrounded by muslin countries in that land that nobody says doesn't belong to them and Palestine, you may want to take Israel to another land. This shit is going towards WW3. Move Israel to another place. Simply and difficult too. But I think there's no option. Don't see that as "the muslins won", see it like "well, now Israel can leave in peace".
Both muslins and jews are like ants, they're all ants. But what happens if you put some red ants in the middle of a black ants colony?
And for those who say "Who gives us the right to judge whether their government is right or wrong and just take over and replace it?" Well... the question is more like can we justify leaving governments in action, where, just one example (enough others have already been posted in this thread), an 8 year old boy gets his arm crushed by a car in public to be permanently disabled as punishment because he was caught stealing? (this really happened in Iran, and there were even photographs taken) Don't they know that kids at that age can't be held fully responsible? I thought their were so superior to Jews and Christians?! This is just sick primitive crap and yes, I say here in public that I KNOW that all countries ruled under Sharia by Islamic leaders are per definition inferior and must be taken over and helped against this unfortunate situation. No goddamn liberal populist can ever tell me this isn't true.
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Good ol' DAS. Resulting to personal insults whenever he is beaten.
Do you sacrifice a working sense of humor when you become an extreme rightist because that's really not clever nor funny. Of course, I wouldn't be surprised that you'd attack me because I mentioned something that hit a bit too close to home for you. So tell me, are you a victim or an offender?|AIA| DAS wrote:
Oh, I know this one... Ikartism! FTW!!!
Beaten? Not hardly. It was a joke Git.jonsimon wrote:
Good ol' DAS. Resulting to personal insults whenever he is beaten.
First you tell me, Are you a pitcher or Catcher?Ikarti wrote:
Do you sacrifice a working sense of humor when you become an extreme rightist because that's really not clever nor funny. Of course, I wouldn't be surprised that you'd attack me because I mentioned something that hit a bit too close to home for you. So tell me, are you a victim or an offender?|AIA| DAS wrote:
Oh, I know this one... Ikartism! FTW!!!
My money is on Catcher.
QFT|AIA| DAS wrote:
First you tell me, Are you a pitcher or Catcher?Ikarti wrote:
Do you sacrifice a working sense of humor when you become an extreme rightist because that's really not clever nor funny. Of course, I wouldn't be surprised that you'd attack me because I mentioned something that hit a bit too close to home for you. So tell me, are you a victim or an offender?|AIA| DAS wrote:
Oh, I know this one... Ikartism! FTW!!!
My money is on Catcher.
+1
The king of one liners(sorry Bubbalo) says I have no sense of humor... That's Rich.
But the war is in arguments, not humor. You lost the war with a smile on your face. ;P|AIA| DAS wrote:
Beaten? Not hardly. It was a joke Git.jonsimon wrote:
Good ol' DAS. Resulting to personal insults whenever he is beaten.
Maybe, but he and I haven't debated anything. But if there was someone who knew how to spot a loser... It would be you jonsimon. You ALWAYS lose.jonsimon wrote:
But the war is in arguments, not humor. You lost the war with a smile on your face. ;P|AIA| DAS wrote:
Beaten? Not hardly. It was a joke Git.jonsimon wrote:
Good ol' DAS. Resulting to personal insults whenever he is beaten.
QFT