you're not gunna believe this but I will say, I spent a half an hour responding to this but when I submitted it , it got lost, and I ain't typin' all that again,The_Shipbuilder wrote:
I'm trying to see your point, but your logic escapes me.lowing wrote:
But since you asked why I think America is "closer to perfect" than any other country I will tell you.
The contributions made by America to the world to improve quality of life in the past 100 years is by far more numerous than any other. computers, air travel, cars, internet ( ask Al Gore) etc... Please tell me the latest contribution form Norway or New Zealand. America is a leading pioneer in research and development for the future. Our quality of life is superior.
You earlier said that America was closer to perfect than any other country in the world. You provide a grand total of one point to back up that statement: America has contributed a lot of things to improve the quality of life around the world. But these contributions are enjoyed everywhere around the world, lowing. As an example: a Chinese guy who's never been to America can drive the same cars, can buy the same computers, can use the internet, can travel by the same airlines. Since this is the only reason you've provided, the American contribution to global society, how are you able to claim that my quality of life is better than the guy in China? You have nothing to say about governance, about culture, and about society? Well we can can only assume that you know nothing about the topics.
Your definition of "quality of life" is wholly predicated on how many widely-recognized "contributions" a country has made to the world. This is disingenuous. Simplistic at best.
But I'll help you out, lowing. Here's how you might argue your case, for future reference:
"The perfect country is that where the spirit of industry and creativity thrives so much that its contributions to its own and to global society far surpass those of other nations. Last year America claimed 33.6% of the total number of international patent applications - a clear measure of inventiveness and dedication to global welfare. In comparison, the #2 country was Japan with 18.8%. Here is a link to back up this statement. In my opinion, that is the only measure of perfection in this world, and America comes the closest to it."
Note my use of things like "sources", "definitions" and "numbers" to make "comparisons" and "deductions". These things come in super handy. Unfortunately, your definition of "quality of life" was weak, your logic poor, and you've shown no competence in using simple comparison and measurable, verifiable facts to back up your claim.
That said, lowing, I'll accept your implicit statement that "quality of life" is an excellent basis of comparison for determining which country is "closest to perfect". However, I won't pretend to be able to conduct such a comparison. How about The Economist, a widely-respected, CONSERVATIVE (are your pants getting tight yet?) old publication? What do they have to say about it?
http://www.economist.com/images/worldin … ytable.gif
A tie for 12th place. Not necessarily a unanimous endorsement for Lady Liberty eh lowing? You can read up on how this survey was conducted, but in short it was based on life-satisfaction surveys conducted in each country on the list. I'll spell it out for you: Americans' estimation of their own quality of life is not as high as that for people in eleven other countries in the world.
Ireland FTW.Fair enough, you are not a whiner.lowing wrote:
your second paragraph. my response to that is: Better take a look back at all the posts, I am not the whiner in here. I am not the one bitching about how bad America is or Bush is or Chaney. So you can re think that one.
Though I'd argue it's worse to be an American (let alone a supporter of the current administration) unable to spell the vice president's name. But. Anyway.Are you changing your view there, lowing? It sure sounds like it. Last time you said "Remember, WE are the ones with the IMmigration problem, not the migration problem." You didn't say "We have a greater influx of immigrants than your country does". You suggested that other countries have problems with people moving away.lowing wrote:
If there is a country on Earth with a greater influx of immigrants please list it. If not then my point is valid. America MUST be the number chosen place to immigrate to.
But heck lowing. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I'll assume that when you said "migration problem" you meant "immigration problem less acute than that felt by the United States".
Anyway, you asked for proof that another country has a greater influx of immigrants than the United States. First of all, it's better to use facts to support your statements, rather than to make statements with no basis in fact and then ask people to prove you wrong. For example: there is no such thing as God as Christians would have you believe. The universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. I challenge you to provide facts to prove otherwise.
But if you want a country on earth with a greater immigration problem than the United States, look north. It's Canada. Canada has the highest per capita immigration rate in the world. You want me to use verifiable sources, something you haven't done yet? Done and done. Pwned.
Now I know you won't set yourself up for further embarrassment by insisting that gross annual immigration statistics are more relevant than per capita numbers. Right, lowing?Regarding criticism vs bullshit: wise people learn from the wheat while ignoring the chaff. You're just calling everything chaff, throwing it all out, and walking away with nothing. Not the smartest move if you ask me, but that's just my opinion.lowing wrote:
As far as your "constructive criticism" goes, it is bullshit, and you know it. You are Bush HATERS and most of you are America haters, there is no constructive criticism to go with that.
Regarding Bush: I don't hate Bush. I just think he's a moron.
Now if you can tell me something specific that Bush did right, I'll praise him for it. But a warning lowing, your definition of "something Bush did right" may differ from the people with whom you often disagree. For example you can't just say "he's fighting the war on terror". That's not inherently a good thing, because some of us think the war on terror is a red herring. Try to find something he did right that you think I'll appreciate. If you do, and you cite a valid source, I'll give you kudos.I wholeheartedly applaud the British and the Pakistanis for their work in thwarting the plot. If you can provide any source showing how American organizations aided in the success of the operation, I will be more than happy to recognize and applaud them.lowing wrote:
If you looked at this country and this administration "constructively" you would recognize and applaud the thwarted terror plots by England and America.
But when you bring up the UK terror thing you're muddying things up, lowing. This post is about the Bush administration. Not about police officers, the military, or the secret service. Those people are just doing their jobs, and doing them well, judging from the success in the UK. They are not Bush. Bush is not responsible for the thwarted plot. I thought our troops were fighting in Iraq so they wouldn't have to fight on our soil. Yet it looks as if somehow that strategy isn't working. Fortunately the British were there to save our asses.
Poll
Bush administration: awesome or evil?
| Awesome. I'm American. | 12% | 12% - 39 | ||||
| Mostly good. I'm American. | 16% | 16% - 52 | ||||
| Mostly bad. I'm American. | 11% | 11% - 35 | ||||
| Evil. I'm American. | 21% | 21% - 68 | ||||
| Awesome. I'm not American. | 2% | 2% - 9 | ||||
| Mostly good. I'm not American. | 3% | 3% - 10 | ||||
| Mostly bad. I'm not American. | 14% | 14% - 46 | ||||
| Evil. I'm not American. | 18% | 18% - 58 | ||||
| Total: 317 | ||||||
Gosh. I bet it was a good one, too.
But quoting my entire post, only to post a two line excuse for lacking any decent response? Classy.
But quoting my entire post, only to post a two line excuse for lacking any decent response? Classy.
like I said you weren't going to believe it, the problem is I don't care enough to retype it, so ya win.The_Shipbuilder wrote:
Gosh. I bet it was a good one, too.
But quoting my entire post, only to post a two line excuse for lacking any decent response? Classy.
I have never been without a response to any posts that challenge mine, sometimes I concede sometimes not, in your case it was NOT.
Just out of curiousity, when have you conceded (honest question)?
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sorry bubbalo, it isn't an event I marked on my calandarBubbalo wrote:
Just out of curiousity, when have you conceded (honest question)?
Yeah, I don't remember you ever conceding is all..................
I would like to see any of those challenging posts you beated with your exquisite responses, I imagine they're a lot better than this, coz this one stinks.lowing wrote:
like I said you weren't going to believe it, the problem is I don't care enough to retype it, so ya win.The_Shipbuilder wrote:
Gosh. I bet it was a good one, too.
But quoting my entire post, only to post a two line excuse for lacking any decent response? Classy.
I have never been without a response to any posts that challenge mine, sometimes I concede sometimes not, in your case it was NOT.
Lowing likes to pretend he lets other people win once in a while.
His mommy says he is special on the inside.
His mommy says he is special on the inside.
Anyone with a brain can see their is flys circling between bush's ears. He is an easily controllable puppet for Cheney and Rummy. Rummy has been running things for decades spanning different governments.
Just wip bush up a Bourbon and coke-aine mixer and he's anyones.
Just wip bush up a Bourbon and coke-aine mixer and he's anyones.
I don't know how this karma thing works coz I'm posting again this week, but it seems Lowing owns several accounts, so he can get karma points...from himself. Wait a minute, that is karma padding.jonsimon wrote:
Lowing likes to pretend he lets other people win once in a while.
His mommy says he is special on the inside.
Last edited by sergeriver (2006-08-11 05:34:05)
I'll quote it again and only say a few lines. Because its the best case of Ownage ive seen on these forums yet. Very well put post. Even Lowing will agree in his heart. +1 to you man, excelent.The_Shipbuilder wrote:
I'm trying to see your point, but your logic escapes me.lowing wrote:
But since you asked why I think America is "closer to perfect" than any other country I will tell you.
The contributions made by America to the world to improve quality of life in the past 100 years is by far more numerous than any other. computers, air travel, cars, internet ( ask Al Gore) etc... Please tell me the latest contribution form Norway or New Zealand. America is a leading pioneer in research and development for the future. Our quality of life is superior.
You earlier said that America was closer to perfect than any other country in the world. You provide a grand total of one point to back up that statement: America has contributed a lot of things to improve the quality of life around the world. But these contributions are enjoyed everywhere around the world, lowing. As an example: a Chinese guy who's never been to America can drive the same cars, can buy the same computers, can use the internet, can travel by the same airlines. Since this is the only reason you've provided, the American contribution to global society, how are you able to claim that my quality of life is better than the guy in China? You have nothing to say about governance, about culture, and about society? Well we can can only assume that you know nothing about the topics.
Your definition of "quality of life" is wholly predicated on how many widely-recognized "contributions" a country has made to the world. This is disingenuous. Simplistic at best.
But I'll help you out, lowing. Here's how you might argue your case, for future reference:
"The perfect country is that where the spirit of industry and creativity thrives so much that its contributions to its own and to global society far surpass those of other nations. Last year America claimed 33.6% of the total number of international patent applications - a clear measure of inventiveness and dedication to global welfare. In comparison, the #2 country was Japan with 18.8%. Here is a link to back up this statement. In my opinion, that is the only measure of perfection in this world, and America comes the closest to it."
Note my use of things like "sources", "definitions" and "numbers" to make "comparisons" and "deductions". These things come in super handy. Unfortunately, your definition of "quality of life" was weak, your logic poor, and you've shown no competence in using simple comparison and measurable, verifiable facts to back up your claim.
That said, lowing, I'll accept your implicit statement that "quality of life" is an excellent basis of comparison for determining which country is "closest to perfect". However, I won't pretend to be able to conduct such a comparison. How about The Economist, a widely-respected, CONSERVATIVE (are your pants getting tight yet?) old publication? What do they have to say about it?
http://www.economist.com/images/worldin … ytable.gif
A tie for 12th place. Not necessarily a unanimous endorsement for Lady Liberty eh lowing? You can read up on how this survey was conducted, but in short it was based on life-satisfaction surveys conducted in each country on the list. I'll spell it out for you: Americans' estimation of their own quality of life is not as high as that for people in eleven other countries in the world.
Ireland FTW.Fair enough, you are not a whiner.lowing wrote:
your second paragraph. my response to that is: Better take a look back at all the posts, I am not the whiner in here. I am not the one bitching about how bad America is or Bush is or Chaney. So you can re think that one.
Though I'd argue it's worse to be an American (let alone a supporter of the current administration) unable to spell the vice president's name. But. Anyway.Are you changing your view there, lowing? It sure sounds like it. Last time you said "Remember, WE are the ones with the IMmigration problem, not the migration problem." You didn't say "We have a greater influx of immigrants than your country does". You suggested that other countries have problems with people moving away.lowing wrote:
If there is a country on Earth with a greater influx of immigrants please list it. If not then my point is valid. America MUST be the number chosen place to immigrate to.
But heck lowing. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I'll assume that when you said "migration problem" you meant "immigration problem less acute than that felt by the United States".
Anyway, you asked for proof that another country has a greater influx of immigrants than the United States. First of all, it's better to use facts to support your statements, rather than to make statements with no basis in fact and then ask people to prove you wrong. For example: there is no such thing as God as Christians would have you believe. The universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. I challenge you to provide facts to prove otherwise.
But if you want a country on earth with a greater immigration problem than the United States, look north. It's Canada. Canada has the highest per capita immigration rate in the world. You want me to use verifiable sources, something you haven't done yet? Done and done. Pwned.
Now I know you won't set yourself up for further embarrassment by insisting that gross annual immigration statistics are more relevant than per capita numbers. Right, lowing?Regarding criticism vs bullshit: wise people learn from the wheat while ignoring the chaff. You're just calling everything chaff, throwing it all out, and walking away with nothing. Not the smartest move if you ask me, but that's just my opinion.lowing wrote:
As far as your "constructive criticism" goes, it is bullshit, and you know it. You are Bush HATERS and most of you are America haters, there is no constructive criticism to go with that.
Regarding Bush: I don't hate Bush. I just think he's a moron.
Now if you can tell me something specific that Bush did right, I'll praise him for it. But a warning lowing, your definition of "something Bush did right" may differ from the people with whom you often disagree. For example you can't just say "he's fighting the war on terror". That's not inherently a good thing, because some of us think the war on terror is a red herring. Try to find something he did right that you think I'll appreciate. If you do, and you cite a valid source, I'll give you kudos.I wholeheartedly applaud the British and the Pakistanis for their work in thwarting the plot. If you can provide any source showing how American organizations aided in the success of the operation, I will be more than happy to recognize and applaud them.lowing wrote:
If you looked at this country and this administration "constructively" you would recognize and applaud the thwarted terror plots by England and America.
But when you bring up the UK terror thing you're muddying things up, lowing. This post is about the Bush administration. Not about police officers, the military, or the secret service. Those people are just doing their jobs, and doing them well, judging from the success in the UK. They are not Bush. Bush is not responsible for the thwarted plot. I thought our troops were fighting in Iraq so they wouldn't have to fight on our soil. Yet it looks as if somehow that strategy isn't working. Fortunately the British were there to save our asses.
How can you say Bush had any part in it. He wasn't notified until Sunday the investigation was even going on. Probably because they know how stupid he is.lowing wrote:
Don't for get to criticize Bush and Blair for saving literally thousands of lives today. Yeah they can't do anything right can they??GATOR591957 wrote:
I don't believe people think we the US are bad. I think they and I both feel Bush is a blemish on America. He has single-handedly changed foreign opinion of the US as viewed by the rest of the world. I also agree plain and simple he is a dumb ass and the evil comes from Cheney and Rumsfeld. But as the leader he bears the responsibility.lowing wrote:
one question
If America is sooooooo bad, why are people risking there lives to get HERE far and away more than any other country on the planet??
It would appear that, although America is NOT perfect, we are a hell of alot closer to it, all things considered, than the rest of you.
Remember, WE are the ones with the IMmigration problem, not the migration problem.
Thank you England, a job well down.
I agree good job GB.
American & Evil.
The current administration is full of asspennies. I just have to keep reminding myself that most of the Bush supporters are the crazy Gung Ho Americans that don't entirely believe in the advancing of rights and would rather live in the time of simplicity.
That and among other things.
The current administration is full of asspennies. I just have to keep reminding myself that most of the Bush supporters are the crazy Gung Ho Americans that don't entirely believe in the advancing of rights and would rather live in the time of simplicity.
That and among other things.
lolz, lowing to quote you, nice sidestepping/tapdancing
Sighhhh ok, I will take the time to retype my responses to your post:sergeriver wrote:
I would like to see any of those challenging posts you beated with your exquisite responses, I imagine they're a lot better than this, coz this one stinks.lowing wrote:
like I said you weren't going to believe it, the problem is I don't care enough to retype it, so ya win.The_Shipbuilder wrote:
Gosh. I bet it was a good one, too.
But quoting my entire post, only to post a two line excuse for lacking any decent response? Classy.
I have never been without a response to any posts that challenge mine, sometimes I concede sometimes not, in your case it was NOT.
1st paragraph: The point is, that those things were made available to the world population IN THE FIRST PLACE, not because everyone has one. (Including your Chinese guy). The fact that American R and D and innovations improve life for all of us was my point. What was Irelands last contribution, the drunk?
The fact that we live in a free society where all have equal opportunities (including women), or the fact that we have free elections and can support or protest our govt. to our hearts content without fear of reprisal, and in a country so huge, I thought was obvious enough and need not be discussed, guess I was wrong.
Your response to my definition of “quality of life” is simplistic as I intended. You may not think so but life in America is GREAT, I simply used the fact that since our Immigration problem is at epidemic proportions, because people are literally dying to get here and live. I will bet people in Canada have heard about people dying in trucks and at the borders, and off the shores of America, but I can not recall reading a news story about scores of people dying trying to get into Canada, or New Zealand, or Norway I could be wrong about this. If people are willing to risk their lives to come to America, to me that says something.
As far as being tied for 12th place goes for quality of life goes. I found this site which has a slightly different scale. Please take note that they had the US as number 1 for the past 21 years but have dropped to 6 this year. It also goes into great strides to try and explain why they ranked the countries they way they did. On your list it should also be noted that EVERY ONE of the countries listed above the US is either smaller than half of 1 of OUR states or the country is sparsely populated in much of its land. (same holds true on this chart as well) http://www.internationalliving.com/qol06 . SO anyway, the bottom line is YOUR chart is hardly an ABSOLUTE, and I am sure if we really wanted to we could BOTH dig deep enough and show Iraq as number 1. Sorry.
As far as me being a whiner, you already conceded that one, so I assume if I am not the whiner in here, then you are saying people like you are the ones doing the whining, and I agree. My spelling of Cheney, sighhhhhh, what can I say I had a typo and missed it, but I will bet you 10 bucks that before you made your smart ass comment about it, you ran your shit through spell checker TWICE. Anyway, if you wanna pound your chest because I miss-spelled a word, so be it,
Our immigration problem does not compare with Canada’s simply because WE HAVE SO MANY ILLEGALS we can’t get an accurate count as to how many people is IN the US. At least by your link it would appear Canada can count theirs, which I assume means they are legal, and if they are legal, then what is Canada’s problem, and how is their LEGAL immigration problem WORSE than our ILLEGAL immigration problem??
Your use of a word like “PWNED” is laughable and in my book makes you in line as one of the biggest dip shits on this forum. I mean really, to prepare such a well thought out rebuttal, then wind up using “PWNED” in it...LOL priceless.
As far as liking or dis-liking Bush. I have no intention of trying to convince you that Bush has done anything “right”. Such an attempt would be futile since you are so polarized against him. Kinda like trying to convince you abortion is right or wrong, no amount of links or info is going to sway anyone in either direction.
On to the terror plot:
From what I read, this plot has been under surveillance since last December, and I trust that the Bush administration kinda knew about it. This war on terror is a joint operation, last month Germany (god bless them) foiled an attempt as well. It is a global intelligence war that is being waged, so yeah, I think the Bush administration is kinda involved. If the plot had succeeded I know you and the rest of you lap dogs would be first in line to post BUSH’S failures and nothing more.
Secondly, you are applauding England and Pakistan for their efforts in foiling this plot, well, earlier in your post, you called this war on terror a “red herring” (“some of us think the war on terror is a red herring.”. Please explain your gratitude toward England and Pakistan for saving thousands of lives in this “RED HERRING” WAR. It seems you are the one who is contradicting yourself.
There retyped, now grade it for spelling and send it back to me, Mr. “PWNED”
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Sorry Spumantii, what I said was true, I lost my "essay" into cyber space ( I guess the modern day excuse of " my dog ate my homework) and didn't feel like redoing all that again, but, I succumbed to peer pressure and retyped it.Spumantiii wrote:
lolz, lowing to quote you, nice sidestepping/tapdancing
I suspect it is being graded now as i respond to you.
LMAO...."ownage" I see you are just like shipbuilder he likes to use "pwned", anyway I hope shipbuilder doesn't stop suddenly. It would take the jaws of life to cut your head free from his ass.JahManRed wrote:
I'll quote it again and only say a few lines. Because its the best case of Ownage ive seen on these forums yet. Very well put post. Even Lowing will agree in his heart. +1 to you man, excelent.The_Shipbuilder wrote:
I'm trying to see your point, but your logic escapes me.lowing wrote:
But since you asked why I think America is "closer to perfect" than any other country I will tell you.
The contributions made by America to the world to improve quality of life in the past 100 years is by far more numerous than any other. computers, air travel, cars, internet ( ask Al Gore) etc... Please tell me the latest contribution form Norway or New Zealand. America is a leading pioneer in research and development for the future. Our quality of life is superior.
You earlier said that America was closer to perfect than any other country in the world. You provide a grand total of one point to back up that statement: America has contributed a lot of things to improve the quality of life around the world. But these contributions are enjoyed everywhere around the world, lowing. As an example: a Chinese guy who's never been to America can drive the same cars, can buy the same computers, can use the internet, can travel by the same airlines. Since this is the only reason you've provided, the American contribution to global society, how are you able to claim that my quality of life is better than the guy in China? You have nothing to say about governance, about culture, and about society? Well we can can only assume that you know nothing about the topics.
Your definition of "quality of life" is wholly predicated on how many widely-recognized "contributions" a country has made to the world. This is disingenuous. Simplistic at best.
But I'll help you out, lowing. Here's how you might argue your case, for future reference:
"The perfect country is that where the spirit of industry and creativity thrives so much that its contributions to its own and to global society far surpass those of other nations. Last year America claimed 33.6% of the total number of international patent applications - a clear measure of inventiveness and dedication to global welfare. In comparison, the #2 country was Japan with 18.8%. Here is a link to back up this statement. In my opinion, that is the only measure of perfection in this world, and America comes the closest to it."
Note my use of things like "sources", "definitions" and "numbers" to make "comparisons" and "deductions". These things come in super handy. Unfortunately, your definition of "quality of life" was weak, your logic poor, and you've shown no competence in using simple comparison and measurable, verifiable facts to back up your claim.
That said, lowing, I'll accept your implicit statement that "quality of life" is an excellent basis of comparison for determining which country is "closest to perfect". However, I won't pretend to be able to conduct such a comparison. How about The Economist, a widely-respected, CONSERVATIVE (are your pants getting tight yet?) old publication? What do they have to say about it?
http://www.economist.com/images/worldin … ytable.gif
A tie for 12th place. Not necessarily a unanimous endorsement for Lady Liberty eh lowing? You can read up on how this survey was conducted, but in short it was based on life-satisfaction surveys conducted in each country on the list. I'll spell it out for you: Americans' estimation of their own quality of life is not as high as that for people in eleven other countries in the world.
Ireland FTW.Fair enough, you are not a whiner.lowing wrote:
your second paragraph. my response to that is: Better take a look back at all the posts, I am not the whiner in here. I am not the one bitching about how bad America is or Bush is or Chaney. So you can re think that one.
Though I'd argue it's worse to be an American (let alone a supporter of the current administration) unable to spell the vice president's name. But. Anyway.Are you changing your view there, lowing? It sure sounds like it. Last time you said "Remember, WE are the ones with the IMmigration problem, not the migration problem." You didn't say "We have a greater influx of immigrants than your country does". You suggested that other countries have problems with people moving away.lowing wrote:
If there is a country on Earth with a greater influx of immigrants please list it. If not then my point is valid. America MUST be the number chosen place to immigrate to.
But heck lowing. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I'll assume that when you said "migration problem" you meant "immigration problem less acute than that felt by the United States".
Anyway, you asked for proof that another country has a greater influx of immigrants than the United States. First of all, it's better to use facts to support your statements, rather than to make statements with no basis in fact and then ask people to prove you wrong. For example: there is no such thing as God as Christians would have you believe. The universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. I challenge you to provide facts to prove otherwise.
But if you want a country on earth with a greater immigration problem than the United States, look north. It's Canada. Canada has the highest per capita immigration rate in the world. You want me to use verifiable sources, something you haven't done yet? Done and done. Pwned.
Now I know you won't set yourself up for further embarrassment by insisting that gross annual immigration statistics are more relevant than per capita numbers. Right, lowing?Regarding criticism vs bullshit: wise people learn from the wheat while ignoring the chaff. You're just calling everything chaff, throwing it all out, and walking away with nothing. Not the smartest move if you ask me, but that's just my opinion.lowing wrote:
As far as your "constructive criticism" goes, it is bullshit, and you know it. You are Bush HATERS and most of you are America haters, there is no constructive criticism to go with that.
Regarding Bush: I don't hate Bush. I just think he's a moron.
Now if you can tell me something specific that Bush did right, I'll praise him for it. But a warning lowing, your definition of "something Bush did right" may differ from the people with whom you often disagree. For example you can't just say "he's fighting the war on terror". That's not inherently a good thing, because some of us think the war on terror is a red herring. Try to find something he did right that you think I'll appreciate. If you do, and you cite a valid source, I'll give you kudos.I wholeheartedly applaud the British and the Pakistanis for their work in thwarting the plot. If you can provide any source showing how American organizations aided in the success of the operation, I will be more than happy to recognize and applaud them.lowing wrote:
If you looked at this country and this administration "constructively" you would recognize and applaud the thwarted terror plots by England and America.
But when you bring up the UK terror thing you're muddying things up, lowing. This post is about the Bush administration. Not about police officers, the military, or the secret service. Those people are just doing their jobs, and doing them well, judging from the success in the UK. They are not Bush. Bush is not responsible for the thwarted plot. I thought our troops were fighting in Iraq so they wouldn't have to fight on our soil. Yet it looks as if somehow that strategy isn't working. Fortunately the British were there to save our asses.
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Another shining example of quasi-racism and ignorance of the many contributions the Irish have made to the world throughout it's long history. Cheers. Nice debating style.lowing wrote:
1st paragraph: The point is, that those things were made available to the world population IN THE FIRST PLACE, not because everyone has one. (Including your Chinese guy). The fact that American R and D and innovations improve life for all of us was my point. What was Irelands last contribution, the drunk?
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sorry Cameronpoe, in my original post I qualified the last 100 years, and compared things to the airplane, cars, electricity, nuclear power, oil refining, internet, computeres.etc......now if Ireland contributed to the extent of the US, I missed it.CameronPoe wrote:
Another shining example of quasi-racism and ignorance of the many contributions the Irish have made to the world throughout it's long history. Cheers. Nice debating style.lowing wrote:
1st paragraph: The point is, that those things were made available to the world population IN THE FIRST PLACE, not because everyone has one. (Including your Chinese guy). The fact that American R and D and innovations improve life for all of us was my point. What was Irelands last contribution, the drunk?
and I only used Ireland because it was first on his 'list".
If that is an apology then fair enough. Ireland is not a nation of 300m people I might add.lowing wrote:
sorry Cameronpoe, in my original post I qualified the last 100 years, and compared things to the airplane, cars, electricity, nuclear power, oil refining, internet, computeres.etc......now if Ireland contributed to the extent of the US, I missed it.CameronPoe wrote:
Another shining example of quasi-racism and ignorance of the many contributions the Irish have made to the world throughout it's long history. Cheers. Nice debating style.lowing wrote:
1st paragraph: The point is, that those things were made available to the world population IN THE FIRST PLACE, not because everyone has one. (Including your Chinese guy). The fact that American R and D and innovations improve life for all of us was my point. What was Irelands last contribution, the drunk?
and I only used Ireland because it was first on his 'list".
Ahhh...a point I noted in my critique of his 'list". thank youCameronPoe wrote:
If that is an apology then fair enough. Ireland is not a nation of 300m people I might add.lowing wrote:
sorry Cameronpoe, in my original post I qualified the last 100 years, and compared things to the airplane, cars, electricity, nuclear power, oil refining, internet, computeres.etc......now if Ireland contributed to the extent of the US, I missed it.CameronPoe wrote:
Another shining example of quasi-racism and ignorance of the many contributions the Irish have made to the world throughout it's long history. Cheers. Nice debating style.
and I only used Ireland because it was first on his 'list".
and yes it was an apology.
Internet was invented by an Irish dude, then they stole his idea.lowing wrote:
sorry Cameronpoe, in my original post I qualified the last 100 years, and compared things to the airplane, cars, electricity, nuclear power, oil refining, internet, computeres.etc......now if Ireland contributed to the extent of the US, I missed it.CameronPoe wrote:
Another shining example of quasi-racism and ignorance of the many contributions the Irish have made to the world throughout it's long history. Cheers. Nice debating style.lowing wrote:
1st paragraph: The point is, that those things were made available to the world population IN THE FIRST PLACE, not because everyone has one. (Including your Chinese guy). The fact that American R and D and innovations improve life for all of us was my point. What was Irelands last contribution, the drunk?
and I only used Ireland because it was first on his 'list".
Car: invented by Karl Benz, german dude.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car
Airplane: although the Wright brothers are commonly know for inventing the airplane, the first flying self powered machine was constructed in 1890 by some french Ader.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airplane#History
Nuclear power: in 1938 the first succesful attempt fission was conducted by 3 germans. In 1942 Enrico Fermi, italian working at Chicago University, obtained the first self sustaining nuclear chain reaction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power#Origins
Oil Refining: the first oil refinery opened in 1856 Romania.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power#Origins
Computer: the first working programmable computer was invented by a german called Konrad Zuse, which is not Keiser Sose from The Usual Suspects, btw he was hungarian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer#H … _computing
Electricity: is not an invention, althoguh here there are some names that contirbuted using it in different ways, in 1660 a german Otto Von Guericke invented the first generator. In 1745 a dutch guy invented the first capacitor. In 1752 Benjamin Franklin flew a kite during a storm. In 1860 Volta italian constructed the first electric battery.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity#History
<ironic>Leonardo Da Vinci was italian, lived 200 years before America was born. <ironic>
The difference is that US and Mexico share a major borderline, do you see any canadian crossing Niagara falls to get a better lifestyle in US? New Zealand is a group of 2 big islands and some minor islands, and their closest negihtbours are the australians, another first class country, like Norway, wich btw is neighbour of Sweden, such a "shitty" country, people in Sweden live so bad...lowing wrote:
Your response to my definition of “quality of life” is simplistic as I intended. You may not think so but life in America is GREAT, I simply used the fact that since our Immigration problem is at epidemic proportions, because people are literally dying to get here and live. I will bet people in Canada have heard about people dying in trucks and at the borders, and off the shores of America, but I can not recall reading a news story about scores of people dying trying to get into Canada, or New Zealand, or Norway I could be wrong about this. If people are willing to risk their lives to come to America, to me that says something.
That chart is published every year by The Economist, you better trust it.lowing wrote:
As far as being tied for 12th place goes for quality of life goes. I found this site which has a slightly different scale. Please take note that they had the US as number 1 for the past 21 years but have dropped to 6 this year. It also goes into great strides to try and explain why they ranked the countries they way they did. On your list it should also be noted that EVERY ONE of the countries listed above the US is either smaller than half of 1 of OUR states or the country is sparsely populated in much of its land. (same holds true on this chart as well) http://www.internationalliving.com/qol06 . SO anyway, the bottom line is YOUR chart is hardly an ABSOLUTE, and I am sure if we really wanted to we could BOTH dig deep enough and show Iraq as number 1. Sorry.
Cars: first brought to consumers as affordable and not a novilty. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assembly_linesergeriver wrote:
Internet was invented by an Irish dude, then they stole his idea.lowing wrote:
sorry Cameronpoe, in my original post I qualified the last 100 years, and compared things to the airplane, cars, electricity, nuclear power, oil refining, internet, computeres.etc......now if Ireland contributed to the extent of the US, I missed it.CameronPoe wrote:
Another shining example of quasi-racism and ignorance of the many contributions the Irish have made to the world throughout it's long history. Cheers. Nice debating style.
and I only used Ireland because it was first on his 'list".
Car: invented by Karl Benz, german dude.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car
Airplane: although the Wright brothers are commonly know for inventing the airplane, the first flying self powered machine was constructed in 1890 by some french Ader.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airplane#History
Nuclear power: in 1938 the first succesful attempt fission was conducted by 3 germans. In 1942 Enrico Fermi, italian working at Chicago University, obtained the first self sustaining nuclear chain reaction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power#Origins
Oil Refining: the first oil refinery opened in 1856 Romania.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power#Origins
Computer: the first working programmable computer was invented by a german called Konrad Zuse, which is not Keiser Sose from The Usual Suspects, btw he was hungarian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer#H … _computing
Electricity: is not an invention, althoguh here there are some names that contirbuted using it in different ways, in 1660 a german Otto Von Guericke invented the first generator. In 1745 a dutch guy invented the first capacitor. In 1752 Benjamin Franklin flew a kite during a storm. In 1860 Volta italian constructed the first electric battery.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity#History
<ironic>Leonardo Da Vinci was italian, lived 200 years before America was born. <ironic>
Airplanes.....BOEING.......no further explaination is needed
Nuclear power.for ENERGY uses.......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_plants#History
oil refining:...chicago http://membership.acs.org/C/Chicago/inv … oleum.html
PC's:......can you say MICROSOFT, DOS, WINDOWS, LINUX, IBM, APPLE, ?? no more needs to be said.
electricity: Thomas Edison( light bulb) and his first of eveeything else.
thx for playing
every country above America on that list is comparing apples and oranges from size of country to size of population to size of industry, on and on and on.sergeriver wrote:
The difference is that US and Mexico share a major borderline, do you see any canadian crossing Niagara falls to get a better lifestyle in US? New Zealand is a group of 2 big islands and some minor islands, and their closest negihtbours are the australians, another first class country, like Norway, wich btw is neighbour of Sweden, such a "shitty" country, people in Sweden live so bad...lowing wrote:
Your response to my definition of “quality of life” is simplistic as I intended. You may not think so but life in America is GREAT, I simply used the fact that since our Immigration problem is at epidemic proportions, because people are literally dying to get here and live. I will bet people in Canada have heard about people dying in trucks and at the borders, and off the shores of America, but I can not recall reading a news story about scores of people dying trying to get into Canada, or New Zealand, or Norway I could be wrong about this. If people are willing to risk their lives to come to America, to me that says something.That chart is published every year by The Economist, you better trust it.lowing wrote:
As far as being tied for 12th place goes for quality of life goes. I found this site which has a slightly different scale. Please take note that they had the US as number 1 for the past 21 years but have dropped to 6 this year. It also goes into great strides to try and explain why they ranked the countries they way they did. On your list it should also be noted that EVERY ONE of the countries listed above the US is either smaller than half of 1 of OUR states or the country is sparsely populated in much of its land. (same holds true on this chart as well) http://www.internationalliving.com/qol06 . SO anyway, the bottom line is YOUR chart is hardly an ABSOLUTE, and I am sure if we really wanted to we could BOTH dig deep enough and show Iraq as number 1. Sorry.
Like I said so it is the economist, they are not the absolute and can make stats say anthing they want them to say just like everyone else.....get over it.