RicardoBlanco
The English
+177|6811|Oxford
I was surprised when Pug classed me as pro-environment but thinking about it I guess I am a bit. I don't hug tree's or turn the tap off when brushing my teeth, but this kind of thing really does piss me off.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh … mid607.xml

Even if you don't care about the environment, destroying a country's future source of income (tourism, for which Lebanon was becomming a mecca) after you've destroyed their infrastructure is plain terrorism.
TeamZephyr
Maintaining My Rage Since 1975
+124|6772|Hillside, Melbourne, Australia
Israel just wants the opportunity to thump it's chest, at the expense of innocents.
James-m
Member
+28|6792|England
israel was attacked. its not as if they did it for no reason. hezbollah or whoever they are should expect a retaliation. plain and simple. id do the same if i was caught up in all this.
Erkut.hv
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Anyone else starting to think Ahmedenijad plays BF2? And perhaps calls himself Rich White?
RicardoBlanco
The English
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James-m wrote:

israel was attacked. its not as if they did it for no reason. hezbollah or whoever they are should expect a retaliation. plain and simple. id do the same if i was caught up in all this.
So what exactly were Hezbollah going to do with this oil? Throw it at Israel? They can't sell the stuff and they don't have tanks as far as I know so what was the 'tactical' reason for destroying the depot?
shaga_delik
Member
+8|6909|Brighton, UK
I find it all odd how the media is demonising the Israli's and potraying them as "bad guys" when they are doing nothing different from the US/UK when we invading Iraq/Afghanistan.

I don't remember ever seeing our media showing dead Iraqi children being dragged out of their destroyed homes.
RicardoBlanco
The English
+177|6811|Oxford

Erkut.hv wrote:

Anyone else starting to think Ahmedenijad plays BF2? And perhaps calls himself Rich White?
Constructive as always Erkut...Now go back to your corner and put that hat back on!
Erkut.hv
Member
+124|6978|California

RicardoBlanco wrote:

Erkut.hv wrote:

Anyone else starting to think Ahmedenijad plays BF2? And perhaps calls himself Rich White?
Constructive as always Erkut...Now go back to your corner and put that hat back on!
LOL, I dented it rocking back and forth.

Perhpas the title of your thread should have been a tad bit diferent, it might have got a diferent response. Also, given your history of posting and lines of logic, anything I say in here is constructive.
jord
Member
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Why what are the other reasons to hate Isreal?
TeamZephyr
Maintaining My Rage Since 1975
+124|6772|Hillside, Melbourne, Australia

shaga_delik wrote:

I find it all odd how the media is demonising the Israli's and potraying them as "bad guys" when they are doing nothing different from the US/UK when we invading Iraq/Afghanistan.

I don't remember ever seeing our media showing dead Iraqi children being dragged out of their destroyed homes.
I saw plenty of it in our news, Haditha anyone?

Read your history books guys, Israel wasn't attacked by Hezbollah/Lebanon. Hezbollah was originally formed to RESIST THE ISRAEL OCCUPATION, looks like Hezbollah has been responding to an illegal invasion and occupation.

And with the soldiers, they simply wanted a prisoner exchange for the hundreds of Lebanese and Palestinian women and children imprisoned in Israeli prisons on no charge.
RicardoBlanco
The English
+177|6811|Oxford

Erkut.hv wrote:

RicardoBlanco wrote:

Erkut.hv wrote:

Anyone else starting to think Ahmedenijad plays BF2? And perhaps calls himself Rich White?
Constructive as always Erkut...Now go back to your corner and put that hat back on!
LOL, I dented it rocking back and forth.

Perhpas the title of your thread should have been a tad bit diferent, it might have got a diferent response. Also, given your history of posting and lines of logic, anything I say in here is constructive.
Lol, ok here's a new one and get that pen out of your nose!

For me destroying an oil depot unnecessarily (keyword being unnecessarily) creating an ecological disaster for no reason IS another reason for me to hate Israel.

Last edited by RicardoBlanco (2006-08-08 06:27:42)

shaga_delik
Member
+8|6909|Brighton, UK

TeamZephyr wrote:

shaga_delik wrote:

I find it all odd how the media is demonising the Israli's and potraying them as "bad guys" when they are doing nothing different from the US/UK when we invading Iraq/Afghanistan.

I don't remember ever seeing our media showing dead Iraqi children being dragged out of their destroyed homes.
I saw plenty of it in our news, Haditha anyone?

Read your history books guys, Israel wasn't attacked by Hezbollah/Lebanon. Hezbollah was originally formed to RESIST THE ISRAEL OCCUPATION, looks like Hezbollah has been responding to an illegal invasion and occupation.

And with the soldiers, they simply wanted a prisoner exchange for the hundreds of Lebanese and Palestinian women and children imprisoned in Israeli prisons on no charge.
Not from our media in the UK.  I work from home so obviously I was slacking and watching the war on TV instead.  I started to realise how much they manipulate the stories.  One that comes to mind was an interview with an Iraqi who was ranting about America as his neighbours house was destroyed killing all within.  After a minute he calmed down and said "America, UK good people, nice people, stop Bush, please stop the killing"

A few hours later it was edited down to him just ranting and raving.  The fact that his heighbours had been killed was cut from the story.

Back onto the topic.  The Israel's consider themselves at war.  Destroying your enemies infrastructor is the first thing you do.
DaReJa
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Saying you Hate Israelies is One thing, Saying you Hate what they are doing is another.

Saying you hate them is Racism, Saying that you are against what they are doing is not Racism. So, Which one arfe you? It seems you are Choice B. You Disagree with what you are doing. Dont make it Choice A. .
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Chou
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DaReJa wrote:

Saying you Hate Israelies is One thing, Saying you Hate what they are doing is another.

Saying you hate them is Racism, Saying that you are against what they are doing is not Racism. So, Which one arfe you? It seems you are Choice B. You Disagree with what you are doing. Dont make it Choice A. .
Don't worry, he wants to drive the bandwagon but doesn't know how..
DaReJa
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Choumichel wrote:

DaReJa wrote:

Saying you Hate Israelies is One thing, Saying you Hate what they are doing is another.

Saying you hate them is Racism, Saying that you are against what they are doing is not Racism. So, Which one arfe you? It seems you are Choice B. You Disagree with what you are doing. Dont make it Choice A. .
Don't worry, he wants to drive the bandwagon but doesn't know how..
Talking about me or Ricardo?
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herrr_smity
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+156|6870|space command ur anus

shaga_delik wrote:

I find it all odd how the media is demonising the Israli's and potraying them as "bad guys" when they are doing nothing different from the US/UK when we invading Iraq/Afghanistan.

I don't remember ever seeing our media showing dead Iraqi children being dragged out of their destroyed homes.
i remember the media in Norway showing that.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6979|Salt Lake City

I've seen arguments on both sides of this conflict, but I thought I would post this article from the paper this morning.

Backing Israel Is best of a set of bad choices
By Jonathan Chait
Special to the Los Angeles Times

Let's face it, Israel's counteroffensive in Lebanon doesn't seem to be going very well. Liberals are saying it. Conservatives are saying it. Plenty of Israelis are saying it.
    But here is the odd thing: Nobody is paying very careful attention to the alternative. The criticism of Israel's ground campaign -- however sound much of it may be -- takes place against an implicit assumption that peace could be at hand if only Israel stops fighting.
    Let's examine that idea. The United Nations-types argue that Israel should withdraw from Lebanon and cease its airstrikes and that an international force should patrol southern Lebanon. But every country that could contribute to such a force has insisted they don't want to fight Hezbollah. Kofi Annan has said that a "cardinal principle" of any peacekeeping force would be obtaining Lebanon's consent. And neither Hezbollah nor the Lebanese government has evinced any willingness to remove Hezbollah's forces from southern Lebanon.
    From the doves there is a persistent disconnect between the goals they desire and the means to achieve them. Here is what former President Carter wrote in a recent Washington Post Op-Ed article: "The urgent need in Lebanon is that Israeli attacks stop, the nation's regular military forces control the southern region, Hezbollah cease as a separate fighting force, and future attacks against Israel be prevented."
    The passive voice in this last clause -- "attacks be prevented" -- is telling. Who is going to prevent them? Israel went into Lebanon because nobody else had the desire or the inclination.
    So, the doves' implied solution is that Israel withdraws from Lebanon and stops bombing, and that Hezbollah goes on its way. This is why they've pointed out that not many Israelis have died from rocket attacks since 2000.
    But the death toll doesn't quite capture the damage wrought by Hezbollah. The purpose of the missile attacks is to force Israelis to live under a constant threat -- missile attacks or cross-border raids that, while sporadic, can occur at any time. No nationwould consider that condition acceptable. And even if Israel learns to take periodic attacks from Hezbollah with good cheer, there's no guarantee that the attacks won't get worse. After all, Hezbollah is acquiring newer, more powerful rockets from Iran.
    So what can Israel do? The conventional wisdom holds that any military action is counterproductive. The doves point out that the Israeli counteroffensive has boosted Hezbollah's standing in the Arab world.
    Well, sure. But Hezbollah's prestige was also boosted by Israel's 2000 withdrawal from Lebanon. If aggressive Israeli actions boost Hezbollah, and conciliatory Israeli actions boost Hezbollah, then maybe Israel's actions aren't really the prime mover here. Maybe Hezbollah has figured out that it can become the champion of the Arab world by putting itself forward as Israel's chief antagonist, and it will continue to do so regardless of how Israel responds.
    The doves are right that any solution that involves attacking innocent civilians is a terrible one. It's heartbreaking to see houses flattened and children killed. But when you have a nation populated in part with murderous religious fanatics who delight in killing enemy civilians and see the deaths of their own civilians as a strategic boon, any option is going to be terrible.
    Israel is hoping to change the equation, to force Lebanon to take control of its border or accept an outside force that would do so. The tactic of striking Hezbollah has some chance of bringing that about. Stopping the attack and hoping for the best has no chance at all.
   
    Chait is a senior editor at The New Republic.

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RicardoBlanco
The English
+177|6811|Oxford

DaReJa wrote:

Saying you Hate Israelies is One thing, Saying you Hate what they are doing is another.

Saying you hate them is Racism, Saying that you are against what they are doing is not Racism. So, Which one arfe you? It seems you are Choice B. You Disagree with what you are doing. Dont make it Choice A. .
If I choose to hate someone because of what they do, that's my perogative; if they happen to be Israeli, well, it's an unfortunate coincidence.
DaReJa
BF2s US Server Admin
+257|6869|Los Angeles, California, US.

RicardoBlanco wrote:

DaReJa wrote:

Saying you Hate Israelies is One thing, Saying you Hate what they are doing is another.

Saying you hate them is Racism, Saying that you are against what they are doing is not Racism. So, Which one arfe you? It seems you are Choice B. You Disagree with what you are doing. Dont make it Choice A. .
If I choose to hate someone because of what they do, that's my perogative; if they happen to be Israeli, well, it's an unfortunate coincidence.
So your Against what they are doing?

So, Your not Racist, . Your Title is Misleading.
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RicardoBlanco
The English
+177|6811|Oxford

DaReJa wrote:

RicardoBlanco wrote:

DaReJa wrote:

Saying you Hate Israelies is One thing, Saying you Hate what they are doing is another.

Saying you hate them is Racism, Saying that you are against what they are doing is not Racism. So, Which one arfe you? It seems you are Choice B. You Disagree with what you are doing. Dont make it Choice A. .
If I choose to hate someone because of what they do, that's my perogative; if they happen to be Israeli, well, it's an unfortunate coincidence.
So your Against what they are doing?

So, Your not Racist, . Your Title is Misleading.
I'm against what they are doing and I hate them for it...draw your own conclusions.
Erkut.hv
Member
+124|6978|California

RicardoBlanco wrote:

Erkut.hv wrote:

RicardoBlanco wrote:


Constructive as always Erkut...Now go back to your corner and put that hat back on!
LOL, I dented it rocking back and forth.

Perhpas the title of your thread should have been a tad bit diferent, it might have got a diferent response. Also, given your history of posting and lines of logic, anything I say in here is constructive.
Lol, ok here's a new one and get that pen out of your nose!

For me destroying an oil depot unnecessarily (keyword being unnecessarily) creating an ecological disaster for no reason IS another reason for me to hate Israel.
Point taken, although I don't hate Israel for it. I don't approve of the methods being employed by either side in this conflict, and think the sooner this ends, the better. Unfortunately, I think this is going to continue until Iran can get itself involved under the guise of stopping Israel before it's "too late". At which point we step in, and WW3 "officially" begins.

-off to the restroom now, pulled out the pen too quick, nose is bleeding.
DaReJa
BF2s US Server Admin
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You shouldnt hate them as a Whole. And Alot of people are Against it, Even Citizens of Israel, But theres nothing that can be done.

Last edited by DaReJa (2006-08-08 07:35:40)

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Erkut.hv
Member
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RicardoBlanco wrote:

DaReJa wrote:

Saying you Hate Israelies is One thing, Saying you Hate what they are doing is another.

Saying you hate them is Racism, Saying that you are against what they are doing is not Racism. So, Which one arfe you? It seems you are Choice B. You Disagree with what you are doing. Dont make it Choice A. .
If I choose to hate someone because of what they do, that's my perogative; if they happen to be Israeli, well, it's an unfortunate coincidence.
You sound like a Klansman.... lol.

"Yeah, theys were commiting a crime, and I hates em for it. The fact they were nig... uh... blacks, is an unfortunate coincidence."
Chou
Member
+737|7033
Speaking of racism, if I were to make thread called: "One more reason to hate Negro's"
Would it last 23 replies?
Just a mindbreaker..
DaReJa
BF2s US Server Admin
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Choumichel wrote:

Speaking of racism, if I were to make thread called: "One more reason to hate Negro's"
Would it last 23 replies?
Just a mindbreaker..
It depends how many Admins / Mods are on.
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