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2006-08-09 08:42:23
Sondernkommando
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jonsimon wrote:

Hamas was elected. Iran is a democracy (it was only a dictatorship under the US implanted regime) and Lebanon is a democracy which Hezbollah contributes to.
I will grant that Hamas was elected (murderous and charter-bent on destroying Israel, but elected) , but Iran is a theocracy - the grand ayatollah Khomeini approves all political parties in the elections and overrules their laws regularly (i.e. women were to be allowed at soccer games until he forbade it) - and Hezbollah's "contribution" to Lebanese democracy is (as stated previously) free reign in the South and the launch of kidnap and murder raids as follows:

2000 - disguised as UN personnel, kidnapped three Israelis
2002 - attacked kibbutz, firing on school bus, killing six
2000-2005 - over 1,000 rocket attacks on Israel

UN resolution 1559 called for the disarming of all foreign militias (namely Hezbollah) in Lebanese territory, for it is rightly seen as a proxy agent of Iran.  Had this been enforced by the Lebanese or UNIFIL, no dead Lebanese.

PRiMACORD wrote:

Ball bearing-filled...where as the Israeli 1000lb bombs are filled with what, hugs and kisses?
The point is - Hezbollah attacks civilian targets to kill/maim as many civilians as possible; Israel attacks militant hideouts while doing whatever possible to minimize casualties.  Just this week, for example, they send a commando raid to destroy a Hezbollah rocket crew which was holed up in a civilian apartment, sustaining casualties when a 1000lb bomb would have done the job but killed Lebanese.

Tellingly, nobody has been able to answer my question - what should Israel do when attacked by one of the hateful mobs bent on its destruction?
2006-08-09 08:46:01
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Israel is doing what needs to be done, and what everyone else is afraid to do. There should be no pussy-footing around with a country that harbors terrorists.
QFE!

All the rest of you are pussys! Along with those Muslim fanatic terrorists, some call men. Reach down and grab whats between your legs. Nothing there? Your a pussy.
How do you really feel though?...lol
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2006-08-09 08:46:32
jonsimon
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Orion5413 wrote:

Any Muslim is an enemy of Israel
According to your logic, half of Israel is an enemy of Israel. Way to go.

Short one bat in the bell tower.
2006-08-09 08:54:22
Orion5413
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jonsimon wrote:

Orion5413 wrote:

Any Muslim is an enemy of Israel
According to your logic, half of Israel is an enemy of Israel. Way to go.

Short one bat in the bell tower.
And again no response about the rest of the post is that the best you can do? would you like me to quote the Koran again?
2006-08-09 09:08:58
CameronPoe
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Orion5413 wrote:

Why is there even a debate on this... Any Muslim is an enemy of Israel...I posted some of these on page 3 and asked on page 6 for an answer to these...So here we go again will any of the people here who think that hezbola is right please explain these surans? If Islam is about peace and love then why in the Koran it teaches that you must kill non believers? see below: Not one person has answered this....Come on its your book not my don't let me own you with it....Can it be that I am just posting the truth and the Muslims and their supporters have no answer for the truth...

9:33 He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse.

9:73 O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end.

8:67 It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

9:6 And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not.
I could equally post (and have done several times) similarly ridiculous drivel from the so-called peaceful religions of christianity and judaism. The trick is in how the doctrine is interpreted and whether or not it should be treated metaphorically, etc. There are also references in the Q'uran to how christians and jews are fellow 'people of the book' and passages preaching tolerance for non-muslims. Nearly all religions are self-contradictory. The only true peaceful 'religion'? None whatesoever.

'Any Muslim is an enemy of Israel' - although I'd imagine the vast, vast majority are (and arguably rightly so), you sir are generalising to the extreme.
2006-08-09 09:25:56
EVieira
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Orion5413 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Orion5413 wrote:

Any Muslim is an enemy of Israel
According to your logic, half of Israel is an enemy of Israel. Way to go.

Short one bat in the bell tower.
And again no response about the rest of the post is that the best you can do? would you like me to quote the Koran again?
Orion, you want some nice out of context quotes from the Bible too? Here you go: www.evilbible.com. Hope there's enough in there for you.
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered;  the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei  (1564-1642)
2006-08-09 09:27:42
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
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join hezbollah, they need human shields.
2006-08-09 09:32:10
golgoj4
Member
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HM1{N} wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/04/mideast.main/index.html

I can now say with all certainty, f*&k Israel.  They have taken away every instance of aid.  They are blocking aid ships from docking.  They are literally starving the people of Lebanon to force them to bend to Israeli will, and they are lying about what they are doing ONCE AGAIN.

Par for the course with that country.
Well,

Start with punishing those who support Israel here. I know it sounds like a crock but, since the US had made a point of tying the hands of the UN and pissing off the world, as well as refusing to pressure Israel to stop, the buck stops here. I served my country and was happy to get out under Bush for precisely this reason. America is 'supposedly' the strongest nation in the world. Or was. Now we cant even leverage enough in favors and other backroom deals to get an international force on the ground and stop this shit. I wouldnt say 'we' all have ourselves to blame because @ the age of 25 I havent seen to many elections. But it falls to us to get off our asses, turn off the BF2 and leverage the political power of the people. It used to be the people of America decided things. Now its Politicians and Corporate interests.

Get educated
Vote

otherwise this will just go on and on and on because everyone will be to concerned with American Idol to fucking pay attention.


-the guy who pissed that Americans got so fucking lazy
2006-08-09 09:34:17
Orion5413
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Not that I have read the bible or claim to Christan...post away...can you show me in bible where it says to kill the unconvertible? or something similar to 9.5? and as for the Muslims in Israel they are called the PLO, hamas and etc... I freely admit I don't know all of the terrorist organizations in Israel....
2006-08-09 09:40:25
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
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there is not a single UN resolution condeming hezbollah for their deliberate targeting of civilians.
2006-08-09 09:40:38
ncc6206
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You want Israel to quit starving the Lebs then give back the soldiers. Quit shooting rockets into CIVILIAN targets.  Stop the random suicide bombers in CIVILIAN targets.  Let Israel live in peace.   Hezbollah started this and now Israel will finish it.  Either the civilian population will die of starvation or Hezbollah will use them as human shields.
2006-08-09 09:43:43
EVieira
Member
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Orion5413 wrote:

Not that I have read the bible or claim to Christan...post away...can you show me in bible where it says to kill the unconvertible? or something similar to 9.5?
Visit www.evilbible.com and rejoice in all the distorted quotes he has from the Bible, specially from the Old Testament. I don't need a copy-and-paste war with you to explain my point...

Last edited by EVieira (2006-08-09 09:44:31)

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered;  the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei  (1564-1642)
2006-08-09 09:49:31
jonsimon
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ncc6206 wrote:

You want Israel to quit starving the Lebs then give back the soldiers. Quit shooting rockets into CIVILIAN targets.  Stop the random suicide bombers in CIVILIAN targets.  Let Israel live in peace.   Hezbollah started this and now Israel will finish it.  Either the civilian population will die of starvation or Hezbollah will use them as human shields.
Perhaps if Israel stops opressing different arab peoples and stops bombing CIVILIAN targets and returns their kidnapped prisoners and ceases using human shields, hezbollah would.
2006-08-09 09:55:28
jonsimon
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Orion5413 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Orion5413 wrote:

Any Muslim is an enemy of Israel
According to your logic, half of Israel is an enemy of Israel. Way to go.

Short one bat in the bell tower.
And again no response about the rest of the post is that the best you can do? would you like me to quote the Koran again?
Sorry, but after logic that horrible I was unwilling to invest my time in reading your dribble.
2006-08-09 10:05:39
jonsimon
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Orion5413 wrote:

9:33 He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse.

9:73 O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end.

8:67 It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

9:6 And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not.
9:33 - So Islam wants to convert people. Big shit. The Catholics converted all of europe forcibly.

9:73 - This line entreats believers to stay true to the faith and to try and show wrong-doers the better (Islamic) way to live. If you are trying to link "harsh" with "kill everybody" you are a silly man. As an incentive for the believers the passage insists that they are doomed to hell if they cannot be convinced.

8:67 - Sure, the word slaughter is in the passage, but theres no context to tell the reader what it means. This passage is nonsense in its current state.

9:5 - What are the "sacred months"? What do they mean? What does slay refer to in the context of the "sacred months"? Could this passage be referring to self defense? We do not know, because it has no context. However, the second line, which is in the context of the first, insists that a believer must provide everyone with a second chance and an oppertunity for acceptance. I assume the "poor-due" is a form of charitable act, as I personally know of the Korans emphasis on the importance of charity.

9:6 - This passage says that non believers should be protected if they seek protection. They should be kept safe, because they do not understand the possible wrongs they commit. A very respectable sentiment.

None of this is in any way damning of the Koran, Muslims, or the Islamic religion. I don't see what you meant to achieve through these quotes.

Albeit in two of the passages the word slaughter or slay is used, which to western english culture carries a heinous meaning, but in the absence of context it is foolish to assume the word means the same to the Arabic speaking Islamic culture.

There's youre response, happy?
2006-08-09 10:11:39
UON
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ncc6206 wrote:

Quit shooting rockets into CIVILIAN targets.  Stop the random suicide bombers in CIVILIAN targets.
Hmmmmmmm, neither of those were the reasons given for starting the conflict, so do you care to explain how they would stop it?  Also, have you got one example of a suicide bombing by Hezbollah in the current conflict?  And since about 2/3rds of the kills by Hezbollah were soldiers, can you explain how this is targetting CIVILIANS? 

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/07/mideast.main/index.html?section=cnn_topstories wrote:

Monday was the 27th day of fighting. So far the conflict has resulted in 98 Israeli deaths, including 35 civilians, the IDF said; in Lebanon, security forces put the death toll at more than 715, most of them civilians.
In fact, it started when Hezbollah kidnapped some soldiers, and at the time they stated that prisoner exchange was their primary motive.  Now how would Israel have taken those prisoners?  Could they maybe have done some kind of raid or set a trap, perhaps? 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh … mid113.xml

Now if a group of people with better weapons and greater numbers than you sets a trap or performs a raid and arrests your mates whilst you are defending your land, do you:

A) Attempt to storm the HQ and free your friend, and get killed in the process.
B) Attempt to capture some of them, and swap prisoners.

Hezbollah stated from the very outset that they just wanted a prisoner exchange and that 'no military action' would free the kidnapped soldiers.  Even the father of one of the soldiers has realised that the kidnapping was just an catalyst, and that the safe return of the soldiers was never the reason for going to war:

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/isr060807
2006-08-09 10:14:56
Jainus
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jonsimon wrote:

I was unwilling to invest my time in reading your dribble.

jonsimon wrote:

I like it when people claim they know what the Koran says, esspecially people who don't speak arabic.
Is the problem that you have with him because he's quoting the Koran in English? Is that the problem or that he's read a translation (which can't possibly be right can it, what with Arabic not translating 100% accurately) whilst the History Channel has told you differently?

jonsimon wrote:

And most people that claim the Koran says such and such, are merely regurgitating what someone else told them. What I know of the Koran I've learned from Arabs, my Mother who knows Arabic, and a History Channel special.
Btw, I'm still waiting for the difference between other people being told what the Koran says (and being somehow thick because of it) and your being told about it (and your obvious enlightenment).

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2006-08-09 10:28:05
Bertster7
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UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

ncc6206 wrote:

Quit shooting rockets into CIVILIAN targets.  Stop the random suicide bombers in CIVILIAN targets.
Hmmmmmmm, neither of those were the reasons given for starting the conflict, so do you care to explain how they would stop it?  Also, have you got one example of a suicide bombing by Hezbollah in the current conflict?  And since about 2/3rds of the kills by Hezbollah were soldiers, can you explain how this is targetting CIVILIANS?
Seeing as estimates place civilian casualties by the Israelis at between 80 and 90% (at least they did about a week ago, I haven't kept totally up to date), 30% civilian casualties by Hezbollah seems very reasonable.

Kind of destroys the argument about Israeli civilians being targeted by Hezbollah (as they predominantly are by Hamas).

Here's a little vid of Israelis doing just that - Killing civilians.

CBC Broadcast on IDF
2006-08-09 10:50:46
jonsimon
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Jainus wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

I was unwilling to invest my time in reading your dribble.

jonsimon wrote:

I like it when people claim they know what the Koran says, esspecially people who don't speak arabic.
Is the problem that you have with him because he's quoting the Koran in English? Is that the problem or that he's read a translation (which can't possibly be right can it, what with Arabic not translating 100% accurately) whilst the History Channel has told you differently?

jonsimon wrote:

And most people that claim the Koran says such and such, are merely regurgitating what someone else told them. What I know of the Koran I've learned from Arabs, my Mother who knows Arabic, and a History Channel special.
Btw, I'm still waiting for the difference between other people being told what the Koran says (and being somehow thick because of it) and your being told about it (and your obvious enlightenment).
I over generalized in my statements. What I should have said to better represent my argument was "I hate when people claim the Koran condones killing."
2006-08-09 11:12:12
PRiMACORD
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Bertster7 wrote:

Here's a little vid of Israelis doing just that - Killing civilians.

CBC Broadcast on IDF
This video managed to make it out, imagine all the ones that haven't.

How to make Terrorists 101...
2006-08-09 11:18:35
PRiMACORD
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Orion5413 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Orion5413 wrote:

Any Muslim is an enemy of Israel
According to your logic, half of Israel is an enemy of Israel. Way to go.

Short one bat in the bell tower.
And again no response about the rest of the post is that the best you can do? would you like me to quote the Koran again?
Please stop thinking your dumbass comments deserve a response.

You just told us that Israel's enemy includes 20% of it's own population, gj.
2006-08-09 11:27:20
Orion5413
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9:33 - So Islam wants to convert people. Big shit. The Catholics converted all of Europe forcibly.

You forgot to add that this means by force....Nice change of subject bring up Catholics.

9:73 - This line entreats believers to stay true to the faith and to try and show wrong-doers the better (Islamic) way to live. If you are trying to link "harsh" with "kill everybody" you are a silly man. As an incentive for the believers the passage insists that they are doomed to hell if they cannot be convinced.

Silly of you to assume that I interpreted harsh as anything but harsh I didnot define harsh. I let the 9. 73 speak for its self.

8:67 - Sure, the word slaughter is in the passage, but there's no context to tell the reader what it means. This passage is nonsense in its current state.

Funny I find most of the Koran that way...the nonsense that is...

9:5 - What are the "sacred months"? What do they mean? What does slay refer to in the context of the "sacred months"? Could this passage be referring to self defense? We do not know, because it has no context. However, the second line, which is in the context of the first, insists that a believer must provide everyone with a second chance and an opportunity for acceptance. I assume the "poor-due" is a form of charitable act, as I personally know of the Korans emphasis on the importance of charity.


Again I let the passage speak for its self... I guess I could have edited out the poor dues thing but the it would not have a correct quote...Interpret the passage any way you would like but the passage remain the same....the holy months might be Ramadan and your second chance to convert or die...hmmmm nice peaceful religion that is....

9:6 - This passage says that non believers should be protected if they seek protection. They should be kept safe, because they do not understand the possible wrongs they commit. A very respectable sentiment.

I would agree very respectable and a nice follow up to 9.5

None of this is in any way damning of the Koran, Muslims, or the Islamic religion. I don't see what you meant to achieve through these quotes.

That is your interpretation...

Albeit in two of the passages the word slaughter or slay is used, which to western English culture carries a heinous meaning, but in the absence of context it is foolish to assume the word means the same to the Arabic speaking Islamic culture.

Out of context hmm again your interpretation and your right to do so. I have my right see what has been written and judge for myself...you and everyone else can as well

Last edited by Orion5413 (2006-08-09 11:29:06)

2006-08-09 11:31:43
Orion5413
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PRiMACORD wrote:

Orion5413 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:


According to your logic, half of Israel is an enemy of Israel. Way to go.

Short one bat in the bell tower.
And again no response about the rest of the post is that the best you can do? would you like me to quote the Koran again?
Please stop thinking your dumbass comments deserve a response.

You just told us that Israel's enemy includes 20% of it's own population, gj.
I guess you have not ever heard of a group called hamas , the plo... they are all with their boarders...

So now whom is more foolish you or me....
2006-08-09 11:36:22
CameronPoe
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Orion5413 wrote:

Not that I have read the bible or claim to Christan...post away...can you show me in bible where it says to kill the unconvertible? or something similar to 9.5? and as for the Muslims in Israel they are called the PLO, hamas and etc... I freely admit I don't know all of the terrorist organizations in Israel....
Kill Nonbelievers:

    "They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman."  (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
2006-08-09 11:40:53
PRiMACORD
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Orion5413 wrote:

I guess you have not ever heard of a group called hamas , the plo... they are all with their boarders...
Hamas are Palestinian. The 20% i mentioned are not Palestinian.

They are Israeli Muslims.

Orion5413 wrote:

So now whom is more foolish you or me....
You.

 

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